Re: [gentoo-user] Portage spokes again...

161221 Walter Dnes wrote: > On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 05:25:20AM +0100, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote >> sys-apps/systemd:0= required by (sys-apps/dbus-1.10.12:0/0::gentoo, ebuild >> scheduled for merge) >> I have no systemd installed...my Linux is running good ole openrc... >> Why all these systemd

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Can QEMU emulate cpu instructions the host cpu doesn't have?

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 11:27:34PM -0500, Poison BL. wrote > I think the issue is using KVM there. When you're emulating > something feature-different from the host cpu (or at least something > that requires an added feature), I suspect you're stuck with > non-accelerated emulation (I'm pretty

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage spokes again...

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 05:25:20AM +0100, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote > sys-apps/systemd:0= required by (sys-apps/dbus-1.10.12:0/0::gentoo, > ebuild scheduled for merge) > > > For more information about Blocked Packages, please refer to the following > section of the Gentoo Linux x86

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage spokes again...

meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > Hi, > > The master portage spakes again. > And the novice was *not* enlightened... > > > Total: 17 packages (11 upgrades, 4 new, 1 in new slot, 1 reinstall), Size of > downloads: 25097 KiB > Conflict: 4 blocks (4 unsatisfied) > > * Error: The above package list

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Can QEMU emulate cpu instructions the host cpu doesn't have?

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > I have "Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3330 CPU @ 3.00GHz" on a physical host > machine. I'd like to emulate a cpu with the "movbe" instruction set. > Doing some testing, I tried, as root stuff like... > > qemu-system-x86_64

[gentoo-user] Portage spokes again...

Hi, The master portage spakes again. And the novice was *not* enlightened... Total: 17 packages (11 upgrades, 4 new, 1 in new slot, 1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 25097 KiB Conflict: 4 blocks (4 unsatisfied) * Error: The above package list contains packages which cannot be * installed at

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On 12/20/2016 06:33 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > We don't have some > committee on high pick a winner and tell all the maintainers that they > all have to move from supporting x to supporting y. Fair points across the board but this stood out to me. We *do* have groups that, on some subset of the

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 5:51 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > > As a reference point, just before I start, I'm a contributor to Emacs, > both new stuff and bug fixing, in both C and Lisp, and (occasionally) I > write documentation. ;-) > Great. I don't use any of that stuff. How would

Re: [gentoo-user] Reading the (SSL) traffic with Pale Moon

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 01:17:18AM +0100, Miroslav Rovis wrote > > I'm half true compiling it, and the above dir is not a problem hashing > it, tar'ing it and moving it to Air-Gapped machine, the problem is > verification of every single component of the process... Sorry, I'm not knowledgable

[gentoo-user] OT: Can QEMU emulate cpu instructions the host cpu doesn't have?

I have "Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3330 CPU @ 3.00GHz" on a physical host machine. I'd like to emulate a cpu with the "movbe" instruction set. Doing some testing, I tried, as root stuff like... qemu-system-x86_64 -enable-kvm -cpu Broadwell ...and got the following warnings warning: host doesn't

Re: [gentoo-user] Reading the (SSL) traffic with Pale Moon

On 161220-03:00-0500, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 01:25:19PM +0100, Miroslav Rovis wrote > > > And I'm very curious to learn how to install in Air-Gapped, from git, > > through intermediary action, that is acceptable, but in a verifiable > > way, as I asked in my other reply

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 23:11:08 +0100, lee wrote: > >> But you already heard of udev rules? I guess I mentioned them > >> already. They are not so hard to write and they only need to be > >> written once. > > > > It's too late by then, if eth0 and eth1 already exist, you cannot > > switch them

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

lee wrote: > Dale writes: > >> lee wrote: >>> Dale writes: >>> lee wrote: > Daniel Frey writes: > >> On 12/19/2016 10:15 AM, lee wrote: >>> "Walter Dnes" writes: >>>

Re: [gentoo-user] xterm menu

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 2:39 PM, lee wrote: > Jorge Almeida writes: >>> Even when there is a buggy font it picks, it shouldn't crash. >>> >> Sure, but it doesn't seem to happen to anyone else. I'm reluctant to >> blame the software if I'm not sure I didn't

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

Hello Rich, and Gentoo. As a reference point, just before I start, I'm a contributor to Emacs, both new stuff and bug fixing, in both C and Lisp, and (occasionally) I write documentation. ;-) On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 12:57:02PM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Heiko

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

Dale writes: > lee wrote: >> Dale writes: >> >>> lee wrote: Daniel Frey writes: > On 12/19/2016 10:15 AM, lee wrote: >> "Walter Dnes" writes: >> >>> Similarly, the vast majority

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

Neil Bothwick writes: > On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 19:22:44 +0100, Heiko Baums wrote: > >> > eth0 is the first card found by software, and not always the one you >> > think it is. >> >> But you already heard of udev rules? I guess I mentioned them already. >> They are not so hard

Re: [gentoo-user] xterm menu

Jorge Almeida writes: > On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 7:49 PM, lee wrote: > >>> The menu has the same fonts when the first in the path is >>> /usr/share/fonts/100dpi or /usr/share/fonts/Type1/; when >>> /usr/share/fonts/75dpi it uses smaller fonts. So it

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

Andrej Rode writes: > Why >> Or can you explain how unrecognisable names make things easier? > > Yeah they make life easier. From your talk you never had a problem with > eth<0,10> switching names after boot. Everyone who had them appreciates > predictable network interfaces.

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > > Yes, the predictable names are pointless on a single-NIC system, which is > why there exist simple methods to switch back to the old way. > Either that, or just use a wildcard. I just stick e* in my network

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 19:22:44 +0100, Heiko Baums wrote: > > eth0 is the first card found by software, and not always the one you > > think it is. > > But you already heard of udev rules? I guess I mentioned them already. > They are not so hard to write and they only need to be written once.

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 18:50:38 +0100, Heiko Baums wrote: > > Maybe there are different opinions, but what is cryptic on - as a > > typical one - enp3s0?: > > e - ethernet > > n - network > > p - pci (port) ... > > 3 - ... 3 > > s - slot ... > > 0 - ... 0 > > Think about that yourself again and

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

> It could be I found a bug. After a reboot it went from the normal enp0s1 > (or whatever) to eno1677789 or something ridiculous. I had this happen > on two different machines. Sounds like you have other problems than an init system with your systems. Could be your PCIe stuff isn't working

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On 12/19/2016 01:09 PM, Andrej Rode wrote: > >>> It is even more frustrating that these so-called predictable network >>> names actually can change on a reboot, it's happened to me more than >>> once when multiple network cards are detected in a different order. > > Then you might found a bug?

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On 12/20/2016 09:12 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 20/12/2016 19:04, Tanstaafl wrote: >> On 12/19/2016 1:15 PM, lee wrote: >>> "Walter Dnes" writes: >>> Similarly, the vast majority of home users have a machine with one ethernet port, and in the

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

Am 20.12.2016 um 19:28 schrieb Alan McKinnon: > Now that you're running out of arguments... Heiko Baums

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On 20/12/2016 20:22, Heiko Baums wrote: > Am 20.12.2016 um 19:08 schrieb Alan McKinnon: >> No. This is incorrect. > > Yes. This is correct. > >> eth0 is the first card found by software, and not always the one you >> think it is. > > But you already heard of udev rules? I guess I mentioned them

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

Am 20.12.2016 um 19:08 schrieb Alan McKinnon: > No. This is incorrect. Yes. This is correct. > eth0 is the first card found by software, and not always the one you > think it is. But you already heard of udev rules? I guess I mentioned them already. They are not so hard to write and they only

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

Am 20.12.2016 um 18:57 schrieb Rich Freeman: > but I see a lot more > people asking the systemd team to help them write systemd units than > people asking the openrc team to help them write init.d scripts. Why oh why could that be? And spare me your twisting of words. > Anybody can maintain

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On 20/12/2016 19:50, Heiko Baums wrote: > Am 20.12.2016 um 18:38 schrieb Kai Peter: >> Maybe there are different opinions, but what is cryptic on - as a >> typical one - enp3s0?: >> e - ethernet >> n - network >> p - pci (port) ... >> 3 - ... 3 >> s - slot ... >> 0 - ... 0 > > Think about that

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On 2016-12-20 18:57, Rich Freeman wrote: No, your opinion doesn't affect me because the only thing you've been contributing is noise. That's a true word ... If anything it works the other way around. There seem to be a lot more Gentoo devs who run systemd who are actively contributing

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Heiko Baums wrote: > Am 20.12.2016 um 17:47 schrieb Rich Freeman: >> Clearly nobody forced you to run it, because you aren't running it >> now. > > That's again one of those silly arguments. I'm just not running it > because I'm using

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

Am 20.12.2016 um 18:38 schrieb Kai Peter: > Maybe there are different opinions, but what is cryptic on - as a > typical one - enp3s0?: > e - ethernet > n - network > p - pci (port) ... > 3 - ... 3 > s - slot ... > 0 - ... 0 Think about that yourself again and compare it to - eth0: eth - ethernet

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

Am 20.12.2016 um 17:47 schrieb Rich Freeman: > Clearly nobody forced you to run it, because you aren't running it > now. That's again one of those silly arguments. I'm just not running it because I'm using Gentoo again. On Arch Linux they forced systemd onto the users. Because the Arch Linux

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On 2016-12-20 17:21, Heiko Baums wrote: Am 20.12.2016 um 05:23 schrieb Andrej Rode: Yeah they make life easier. From your talk you never had a problem with eth<0,10> switching names after boot. Everyone who had them appreciates predictable network interfaces. Everyone who had them could

Re: [gentoo-user] At last! A Qt5 version of KMail-2 - but here be dragons!

On 20/12/2016 19:09, Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Tuesday 20 Dec 2016 11:17:54 J. Roeleveld wrote: >> On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 09:59:44 AM Peter Humphrey wrote: >>> /mnt/main is where my rescue system mounts the main system for backup. >>> Do I need to add --xattrs to the tar command? >> >> I

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On 20/12/2016 19:04, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 12/19/2016 1:15 PM, lee wrote: >> "Walter Dnes" writes: >> >>> Similarly, the vast majority of home users have a machine with one >>> ethernet port, and in the past it's always been eth0. > >> Since 10 years or

Re: [gentoo-user] At last! A Qt5 version of KMail-2 - but here be dragons!

On Tuesday 20 Dec 2016 11:17:54 J. Roeleveld wrote: > On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 09:59:44 AM Peter Humphrey wrote: > > /mnt/main is where my rescue system mounts the main system for backup. > > Do I need to add --xattrs to the tar command? > > I do, when it comes to creating a stage4 tarfile.

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On 12/19/2016 1:15 PM, lee wrote: > "Walter Dnes" writes: > >> Similarly, the vast majority of home users have a machine with one >> ethernet port, and in the past it's always been eth0. > Since 10 years or so, the default is two ports. Not sure where

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Heiko Baums wrote: > Am 19.12.2016 um 15:52 schrieb Marc Joliet: >> That is incorrect, systemd allows for overriding files in >> /etc/systemd/system/${unit_name}.d/*.conf. > > Then this is very new. > They've been supported for quite a

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

Am 19.12.2016 um 15:52 schrieb Marc Joliet: > That is incorrect, systemd allows for overriding files in > /etc/systemd/system/${unit_name}.d/*.conf. Then this is very new. > Furthermore, service units can > read environment variables from a file via EnvironmentFile. Initscripts can do the

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

Am 20.12.2016 um 05:23 schrieb Andrej Rode: > Yeah they make life easier. From your talk you never had a problem with > eth<0,10> switching names after boot. Everyone who had them appreciates > predictable network interfaces. Everyone who had them could learn how to write simple udev rules to get

Re: [gentoo-user] Reading the (SSL) traffic with Pale Moon

Thanks! I'll be studying the links that you gave! (I just replied to your other, later mail, first, in this thread, both the mails, and I marked both important in my Mutt.) On 161219-18:33-0500, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 06:43:53PM +0100, Miroslav Rovis wrote > > > And whether

Re: [gentoo-user] Reading the (SSL) traffic with Pale Moon

Very useful! Thanks! But only quick notes now. On 161220-03:00-0500, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 01:25:19PM +0100, Miroslav Rovis wrote > > > And I'm very curious to learn how to install in Air-Gapped, from git, > > through intermediary action, that is acceptable, but in a

Re: [gentoo-user] At last! A Qt5 version of KMail-2 - but here be dragons!

On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 09:59:44 AM Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Monday 19 Dec 2016 14:14:56 J. Roeleveld wrote: > > On Monday, December 19, 2016 09:45:21 AM Peter Humphrey wrote: > > > J. Roeleveld wrote : > > > > On Sunday, December 18, 2016 03:11:58 PM Peter Humphrey

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On 2016-12-20 05:23, Andrej Rode wrote: Why Or can you explain how unrecognisable names make things easier? Yeah they make life easier. Not in any case. Otherwise it is a name only. From your talk you never had a problem with eth<0,10> switching names after boot. Everyone who had them

Re: [gentoo-user] At last! A Qt5 version of KMail-2 - but here be dragons!

On Monday 19 Dec 2016 14:14:56 J. Roeleveld wrote: > On Monday, December 19, 2016 09:45:21 AM Peter Humphrey wrote: > > J. Roeleveld wrote : > > > On Sunday, December 18, 2016 03:11:58 PM Peter Humphrey wrote: > > > > Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk> > > > > > > wrote :

Re: [gentoo-user] At last! A Qt5 version of KMail-2 - but here be dragons!

On Monday 19 Dec 2016 12:23:59 Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 19/12/2016 11:45, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > Has no-one else tried this upgrade? > > Not KMail, it stopped using that since years ago. > > But I do notice that a bucket load of new KDE-5 packages are hitting the > tree, and despite having

Re: [gentoo-user] xterm menu

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 7:49 PM, lee wrote: >>> >> The menu has the same fonts when the first in the path is >> /usr/share/fonts/100dpi or /usr/share/fonts/Type1/; when >> /usr/share/fonts/75dpi it uses smaller fonts. So it seems that it >> wants /usr/share/fonts/?dpi. But if

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

The last time I got a board that didn't have two ports is about 20 years ago, and I never bought one for 400. They all just have 2, needed or not, even cheap ones. However, checking out the consumer market (Europe) shows that 1 out of 10 mobo's has 2 ports usually. I always add(ed) a

Re: [gentoo-user] Reading the (SSL) traffic with Pale Moon, WAS: from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA? Youtube... Audio: No

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 01:25:19PM +0100, Miroslav Rovis wrote > And I'm very curious to learn how to install in Air-Gapped, from git, > through intermediary action, that is acceptable, but in a verifiable > way, as I asked in my other reply email to this message. The Pale Moon project is