Re: [gentoo-user] merge-usr and lib[ow]crypt*

2024-04-15 Thread Joost Roeleveld
--- Original message --- From: Matthias Hanft To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2024 10:14:18 +0200 Hi, after updating the kernels to the latest stable version (6.6.21)

Re: [gentoo-user] USE flags handling

2014-08-03 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Saturday 02 August 2014 16:13:19 Stroller wrote: On Sat, 2 August 2014, at 2:35 pm, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: ... Do you still have the bug numbers for this? I have a few machines without any sound support. If I can remove the entire sound system from it, it would save

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USE flags handling

2014-08-03 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Sunday 03 August 2014 00:38:34 Philip Webb wrote: 140802 Walter Dnes wrote: In Gentoo, *ANY* kde app which runs on the kde infrastructure requires phonon, and one of aqua/gstreamer/vlc, unless you resort to ugly hackery as per http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/276393

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Recommendations for scheduler

2014-08-03 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Saturday 02 August 2014 16:53:26 James wrote: Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon at gmail.com writes: Well, we've found 2 projects that at least in part seek to achieve our general goals - chronos and Martin's new project. Why don't we both fool around with them for a bit and get a sense of

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USE flags handling

2014-07-30 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Wednesday 30 July 2014 20:26:48 Alan McKinnon wrote: On 30/07/2014 20:02, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: This 'de-bloat' crap - who came up with that? People who use it all the times seldomly realize that the 'small and unbloated' software they use is in a lot of cases neither small, nor

Re: [gentoo-user] [Less OT] Tally ho! - RC Flight Sims on Linux

2014-06-30 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Monday 30 June 2014 01:26:48 waben...@gmail.com wrote: Am Sonntag, 29.06.2014 um 16:26 schrieb Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com: waben...@gmail.com wrote: Am Sonntag, 29.06.2014 um 20:38 schrieb Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk: On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 21:29:56 +0200, Alan McKinnon

Re: [gentoo-user] mount.nfs stale nfs handle

2014-06-30 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Sunday 29 June 2014 22:48:32 Alexander Puchmayr wrote: Am Sonntag, 29. Juni 2014, 20:41:55 schrieb Neil Bothwick: On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 21:34:07 +0200, Alexander Puchmayr wrote: After upgrading my server to latest stable release of gentoo, none of my clients is able to mount any nfs

Re: [gentoo-user] mount.nfs stale nfs handle

2014-06-30 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Sunday 29 June 2014 21:34:07 Alexander Puchmayr wrote: Hi there, After upgrading my server to latest stable release of gentoo, none of my clients is able to mount any nfs share from the server anymore. Symptoms: $ mount -v -t nfs poseidon:/datadisk/ /mnt/gentoo/ mount.nfs: timeout set

Re: [gentoo-user] [Less OT] Tally ho! - RC Flight Sims on Linux

2014-06-30 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Monday 30 June 2014 15:40:02 microcai wrote: 在 2014年6月30日 星期一 09:17:02,Joost Roeleveld 写道: On Monday 30 June 2014 01:26:48 waben...@gmail.com wrote: Am Sonntag, 29.06.2014 um 16:26 schrieb Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com: waben...@gmail.com wrote: Am Sonntag, 29.06.2014 um 20

Re: [gentoo-user] [Less OT] Tally ho! - RC Flight Sims on Linux

2014-06-30 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Monday 30 June 2014 03:56:44 Dale wrote: Joost Roeleveld wrote: On Monday 30 June 2014 15:40:02 microcai wrote: 在 2014年6月30日 星期一 09:17:02,Joost Roeleveld 写道: We can turn this into a computer related thread. Anyone know of a way to get a flight-sim (for model planes) to run

Re: [gentoo-user] [Way OT] Tally ho!

2014-06-30 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Monday 30 June 2014 10:22:42 Peter Humphrey wrote: On Sunday 29 June 2014 11:38:11 Dale wrote: Peter Humphrey wrote: I don't know when we'll get the Hurricane one - the man with the camera just put a two-word entry on Twitter this morning: Hashtag HEADACHE Oooops. Here's the

Re: [gentoo-user] [Less OT] Tally ho! - RC Flight Sims on Linux

2014-06-30 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Monday 30 June 2014 11:51:08 Alan McKinnon wrote: On 30/06/2014 09:40, microcai wrote: 在 2014年6月30日 星期一 09:17:02,Joost Roeleveld 写道: On Monday 30 June 2014 01:26:48 waben...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] That's right. But all examples you've mentioned are computer related topics

Re: [gentoo-user] [Less OT] Tally ho! - RC Flight Sims on Linux

2014-06-30 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Monday 30 June 2014 12:09:16 Alan McKinnon wrote: On 30/06/2014 12:01, Joost Roeleveld wrote: On Monday 30 June 2014 11:51:08 Alan McKinnon wrote: On 30/06/2014 09:40, microcai wrote: 在 2014年6月30日 星期一 09:17:02,Joost Roeleveld 写道: On Monday 30 June 2014 01:26:48 waben...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] [Less OT] Tally ho! - RC Flight Sims on Linux

2014-06-30 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Monday 30 June 2014 05:23:31 Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On 30/06/2014 09:40, microcai wrote: X-plane ? wine? Sorry, I don't drink. ROFL What about the alcohol free version? Also known as grape juice...

Re: [gentoo-user] Backups and snapshots [Was: Organising btrfs subvolumes]

2014-05-28 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Tuesday 27 May 2014 23:35:26 Alan McKinnon wrote: On 27/05/2014 17:12, J. Roeleveld wrote: I have a yearly (full), monthly, weekly and daily. Each incremental is against the most recent one of itself or longer period. That means having to keep multiple snapshots active, which I prefer to

Re: [gentoo-user] Backups and snapshots [Was: Organising btrfs subvolumes]

2014-05-28 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Tuesday 27 May 2014 11:32:22 Rich Freeman wrote: On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 11:21 AM, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: Does anyone know how these will handle (and perform) with a possible 300+ snapshots per filesystem (or volume, as I think it's called)? I can't speak for zfs. I had

Re: [gentoo-user] Backups and snapshots [Was: Organising btrfs subvolumes]

2014-05-28 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Tuesday 27 May 2014 11:28:17 Rich Freeman wrote: On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 11:12 AM, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 10:31:26 AM Rich Freeman wrote: btrfs wouldn't have any issues with this at all. You'd have an advantage in that you wouldn't have to

Re: [gentoo-user] Backups and snapshots [Was: Organising btrfs subvolumes]

2014-05-28 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Wednesday 28 May 2014 13:07:49 Alan McKinnon wrote: On 28/05/2014 11:58, Joost Roeleveld wrote: On Tuesday 27 May 2014 23:35:26 Alan McKinnon wrote: On 27/05/2014 17:12, J. Roeleveld wrote: I have a yearly (full), monthly, weekly and daily. Each incremental is against the most recent

Re: [gentoo-user] cpufrequtils can't find expected /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpufreq

2014-04-24 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday 24 April 2014 10:13:39 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 24 Apr 2014 02:27:05 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: [aa1][root][/usr/src/linux] /etc/init.d/cpufrequtils start * Caching service dependencies ... [ ok ] * Running cpufreq-set --governor conservative --

Re: [gentoo-user] Get bridge working for xen

2014-04-18 Thread Joost Roeleveld
/init.d/net.xenbr0 start If this doesn't work, please send the results of the following commands: # ifconfig -a # brctl show Kind regards, Joost Roeleveld

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: WEFT Why Every F Time ?

2014-04-18 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday 17 April 2014 16:32:34 James wrote: Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon at gmail.com writes: Is there another easy to use front end read/post to gentoo-user? I never could get the hang of reading mail in a browser Gmane is very nice. it mostly works. I noticed all the WEFT

Re: [gentoo-user] Allow delay for booting from USB device?

2014-04-18 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Friday 18 April 2014 12:02:01 Thomas Mueller wrote: Is there a way to make Gentoo or other Linux allow extra time when root is on a USB device? Any way to say just a second or more like 15 seconds before aborting with the message that root partition does not exist? In this case it's an

Re: [gentoo-user] Allow delay for booting from USB device?

2014-04-18 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Friday 18 April 2014 10:01:35 Brian Hesdorfer wrote: On 4/18/2014 9:05 AM, Joost Roeleveld wrote: On Friday 18 April 2014 12:02:01 Thomas Mueller wrote: Is there a way to make Gentoo or other Linux allow extra time when root is on a USB device? Any way to say just a second or more

Re: [gentoo-user] dracut: mount: special device /dev/disk/by-label/usr does not exist

2014-03-17 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Sunday 16 March 2014 17:01:26 Neil Bothwick wrote: Unless there is already a VG on the other system with the same name. LVM doesn't handle VG name clashes, yet some distros still give them generic names. Not sure how others do it, but I find the following naming convention for VGs work:

Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

2013-09-30 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Sunday 29 September 2013 14:45:05 Tanstaafl wrote: On 2013-09-29 2:25 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Tanstaafl wrote: The way I see it, if you cannot provide a rational answer to that question, then there is no reason for you to use this as a reason to abandon gentoo, only a

Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

2013-09-30 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Sunday 29 September 2013 19:36:32 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 10:53:26 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: Precisely. And, it is my understanding (correct me if I'm wrong), that simply keeping your old kernel/initramfs around is NOT a guarantee (it might work - and it might NOT) of

Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

2013-09-30 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Sunday 29 September 2013 22:09:35 Alan McKinnon wrote: On 29/09/2013 19:59, Tanstaafl wrote: I've been told that this shouldn't be a big deal... while I am a (barely) passable linux sys admin Allow me to forward an opinion. The above is not true, not even close. Don't knock yourself,

Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

2013-09-30 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Monday 30 September 2013 10:01:32 Alan McKinnon wrote: On 30/09/2013 06:14, Walter Dnes wrote: If the udev people had made net ifnames=0 the default, and allowed the small percentage of multi-nic machine admins to set net.ifnames=1, this would not have been an issue. Some corner

Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

2013-09-30 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Monday 30 September 2013 11:24:58 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 12:16 +0200, Joost Roeleveld wrote: Installing a new kernel does not magically make the old one break. If that kernel worked yesterday, it will work today. Actually, that is not guaranteed. I remember

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Where does sudo get the PATH ?

2012-10-10 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 04:57:50 PM Nicolas Richard wrote: Joost == J Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org writes: Joost And, what is in the .bash_profile and .bashrc files in your Joost homedir and in root's homedir? In my homedir: .bash_profile loads .bashrc .bashrc says export

Re: [gentoo-user] Persistent ulimit for daemons

2012-08-02 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday, August 02, 2012 11:38:32 AM Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 08/02/12 01:52, Joost Roeleveld wrote: On Wednesday, August 01, 2012 10:41:41 AM Michael Orlitzky wrote: Is there a blessed method these days for setting the ulimit per-daemon? The best I've been able to do is a global

Re: [gentoo-user] Persistent ulimit for daemons

2012-08-01 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Wednesday, August 01, 2012 10:41:41 AM Michael Orlitzky wrote: Is there a blessed method these days for setting the ulimit per-daemon? The best I've been able to do is a global setting in /etc/rc.conf: rc_ulimit=-s 1048576 The entries under /etc/security seem to be ignored when

Re: [gentoo-user] Runlevels, ordering initscripts and running them in background

2012-05-20 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Wednesday, May 16, 2012 02:15:19 PM Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 16 May 2012 09:40:26 +0100, Ignas Anikevicius wrote: I want to do this, so that I do not have to wait while non-crucial services are being started (e.g. fcron, bitlbee, ntpd to name a few). Maybe it is possible to somehow

Re: [gentoo-user] How to find the MAC address

2012-04-20 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday, April 19, 2012 04:12:35 PM Michael Mol wrote: On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 4:01 PM, Alex Schuster wo...@wonkology.org wrote: Michael Mol writes: On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Alex Schuster wo...@wonkology.org wrote: New output: eth0:

Re: [gentoo-user] sys-boot/plymouth could not work

2012-04-05 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday, April 05, 2012 01:10:46 PM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 2:47 AM, 张春江 zhangchunjian...@126.com wrote: On 2012-04-05 01:29:36,Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: Something

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: MTS player

2012-04-04 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Tuesday, April 03, 2012 06:38:29 PM James wrote: Michael Mol mikemol at gmail.com writes: My new Sony camcorder produces MTS and CPI video output files. mplayer2 is a fork of mplayer. I use mplayer2 (instead of mplayer) because it has better stream seeking behavior for my use cases.

Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5 - failure :-(

2012-03-16 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Wednesday, March 14, 2012 03:41:01 PM Michael Mol wrote: On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: Snipped Again, read about devfs. Tighly coupling is the path the developers (in general) are taking. I agree with them. I remember devfs. Never wound

Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5 - failure :-(

2012-03-16 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Wednesday, March 14, 2012 10:59:30 PM Pandu Poluan wrote: On Mar 14, 2012 10:30 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: Or asked another way - Why is LVM2 incapable od using mdev? Alan has explained

Re: [gentoo-user] mdev + xorg + Gnome up and running. :-)

2012-03-16 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Friday, March 16, 2012 02:54:16 PM Pandu Poluan wrote: On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 14:32, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 08:41:48AM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote Hmmm... are you planning to host an overlay? If so, I'll be willing to donate some of my

Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5 - failure :-(

2012-03-16 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Friday, March 16, 2012 08:46:05 AM Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 07:13:46 +0100, Joost Roeleveld wrote: Auto-starting programs when a device is added. Great, when are we getting autostart support for CDs and USB-keys and under which user-account will these be executed

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LVM, /usr and really really bad thoughts.

2012-03-15 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday, March 15, 2012 01:05:12 PM Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 08:41:38 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: That's why I build the initramfs into the kernel and not as a separate file. If I do something to break the initramfs I just boot the previous kernel knowing it will still

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo location for squirrelmail attachments

2011-12-09 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Friday, December 09, 2011 07:51:16 AM Grant wrote: SNIPPED The script is in the webroot where you installed squirrelmail and is called configure. Simply run that, then select option 4 (General Options). The directories you want to check/change are the first 2. That is the script

Re: [gentoo-user] How can I keep baselayout-1?

2011-12-09 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Friday, December 09, 2011 04:45:05 PM Pandu Poluan wrote: On Dec 9, 2011 2:18 PM, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Thu, December 8, 2011 5:01 pm, Pandu Poluan wrote: On Dec 8, 2011 9:46 PM, Jarry mr.ja...@gmail.com wrote: This server is ~50 miles away, and if I screw something

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo location for squirrelmail attachments

2011-12-09 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Friday, December 09, 2011 07:49:13 AM Grant wrote: I ran squirrelmail/configtest.php and realized I don't have an attachment directory set up for Squirrelmail: ERROR: Attachment dir (/var/local/squirrelmail/attach/) does not exist! I don't even have a /var/local/. Would a good

Re: [gentoo-user] LVM and LABELS in fstab

2011-11-17 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:43:28 AM Florian Philipp wrote: Am 17.11.2011 07:50, schrieb Dale: [...] One more question. I have two drives. A 250Gb and a 750Gb. Originally the data was on the 750Gb drive. I set the 250Gb up on LVM then moved things over from the 750Gb. I then

Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty

2011-11-13 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Friday, November 11, 2011 08:48:42 AM Dale wrote: J. Roeleveld wrote: On Tue, November 8, 2011 10:33 am, Dale wrote: The only report that raccoon will give is a bright flash of light. Shorting out 250,000 volts sort of puts a period on the end of the briefest report there has ever

Re: [gentoo-user] udev rules for an iPod Touch?

2011-11-05 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Friday, November 04, 2011 06:03:55 PM Mark Knecht wrote: 2011/11/4 Jorge Martínez López jorg...@gmail.com: Did you install app-pda/ifuse and app-pda/libimobiledevice (dependency of ifuse and gtkpod)?. I do not recall touching any udev rule. Greetings, -- Jorge Martínez López

Re: [gentoo-user] udev rules for an iPod Touch?

2011-11-05 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Saturday, November 05, 2011 04:48:54 AM Mark Knecht wrote: On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 2:39 AM, Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Friday, November 04, 2011 06:03:55 PM Mark Knecht wrote: 2011/11/4 Jorge Martínez López jorg...@gmail.com: Did you install app-pda/ifuse and app-pda

Re: [gentoo-user] Does this drive need a funeral?

2011-11-01 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Tuesday, November 01, 2011 02:47:27 PM Dale wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, For the first time in my life, I think I have a drive failing on me. Here is the info: SNIP What you folks think? Can I fix it

Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional

2011-10-15 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Saturday, October 15, 2011 12:34:10 AM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: I noticed the other day that when LVM tries to start, it fails. I have /var on a separate partition here. It was complaining about something on /var missing. So, you may be late in reporting this. I think it is

Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional

2011-10-15 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Saturday, October 15, 2011 03:34:27 AM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 3:05 AM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de wrote: On Saturday, 15. October 2011 02:47:26 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 2:31 AM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Should I be worried that I won't be able to dual boot in Gentoo?

2011-09-27 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Monday, September 26, 2011 10:26:03 PM Jonas de Buhr wrote: I am assuming that unlike the old days when I used to boot Linux on PCs using a floppy with SmartBootManager, now we'll need to generate some key/hash for our freshly compiled kernel, then add it to the BIOS firmware and flash the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: mplayer(2) ???

2011-09-23 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Friday, September 23, 2011 01:56:38 PM Mick wrote: On Friday 23 Sep 2011 09:58:35 Florian Philipp wrote: Am 22.09.2011 23:54, schrieb Mick: On Thursday 22 Sep 2011 09:15:42 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 09/22/2011 12:58 AM, Mick wrote: On Wednesday 21 Sep 2011 09:19:39 Sebastian

Re: [gentoo-user] otrs

2011-09-22 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday, September 22, 2011 11:11:52 AM Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Anyone installed otrs with webapp-config? I just don't get it! otrs emerged fine, but I get: # webapp-config -I -h localhost -d 'otrs' otrs 3.0.10 * Fatal error: Unable to determine location of master copy * Fatal

Re: [gentoo-user] otrs

2011-09-22 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday, September 22, 2011 12:19:15 PM Marius Vaitiekunas wrote: On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: Anyone installed otrs with webapp-config? I just don't get it! otrs emerged fine, but I get: # webapp-config -I -h localhost -d 'otrs'

Re: [gentoo-user] otrs

2011-09-22 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday, September 22, 2011 12:25:59 PM Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Am 22.09.2011 12:09, schrieb Joost Roeleveld: I have been using webapp-config for all the webapps on my server and it does work for me. Not seen that error before. I am wondering if something might be configured

Re: [gentoo-user] otrs

2011-09-22 Thread Joost Roeleveld
Please don't CC me into all the emails, list-mails end up correctly. On Thursday, September 22, 2011 01:10:48 PM Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Am 22.09.2011 12:41, schrieb Joost Roeleveld: On Thursday, September 22, 2011 12:25:59 PM Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Am 22.09.2011 12:09, schrieb

Re: [gentoo-user] otrs

2011-09-22 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday, September 22, 2011 01:49:14 PM Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Am 22.09.2011 13:29, schrieb Joost Roeleveld: Please don't CC me into all the emails, list-mails end up correctly. sorry for the noise otrs doesn't have that flag! Just noticed, the 3.x versions appear to have

Re: [gentoo-user] grub and what happens exactly when booting.

2011-09-19 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Monday, September 19, 2011 03:01:32 AM Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 13:51:03 +0700 Pandu Poluanpa...@poluan.info wrote: I'm not sure if LVM by itself implement striping. Most likely not because LVM usually starts with 1 HD then gets additional PVs added.

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-18 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Saturday, September 17, 2011 02:43:00 PM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 2:45 AM, Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Friday, September 16, 2011 10:53:47 AM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-17 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Friday, September 16, 2011 11:21:12 PM Pandu Poluan wrote: On Sep 16, 2011 11:00 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 5:29 AM, Pandu Poluanpa...@poluan.info wrote: Speaking of fsck, didn't someone lamented the fact that fsck can no

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-17 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Friday, September 16, 2011 10:53:47 AM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 5:08 AM, Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Thursday, September 15, 2011 05:05:00 PM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: Last time I checked, neither GNOME nor Emacs demanded that Gentoo developers

Re: [gentoo-user] HPLIP plugin file

2011-09-17 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Friday, September 16, 2011 06:50:14 PM Paul Hartman wrote: Does anyone here use HPLIP and happen to have the file hplip-3.11.7-plugin.run that they can send to me or upload somewhere? openprinting.org is down because of the LF hack and it could be more weeks before it's back up. There are

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-17 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Saturday, September 17, 2011 08:45:15 AM Joost Roeleveld wrote: On Friday, September 16, 2011 10:53:47 AM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: I think systemd gives you that in servers. With OpenRC and Apache with user CGI scripts, ¿do you know how to list the httpd daemon spawned processes

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-16 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday, September 15, 2011 06:44:58 PM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 6:26 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Mike Edenfield kut...@kutulu.org wrote: On Thursday, September 15, 2011 11:16:03 PM Joost Roeleveld wrote

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-16 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday, September 15, 2011 05:34:11 PM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: [ Hugemongous snip ] If the Gentoo-devs come up with a fool-proof solution No such thing in computing, I think. I'm afraid you're right

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-16 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday, September 15, 2011 05:38:41 PM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Thursday, September 15, 2011 03:04:37 PM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-16 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday, September 15, 2011 05:05:00 PM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Sebastian Beßler sebast...@darkmetatron.de wrote: Am 15.09.2011 22:27, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Sebastian Beßler sebast...@darkmetatron.de

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-16 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Friday, September 16, 2011 12:00:16 PM Alan McKinnon wrote: On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:46:02 +0200 Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: Anyway, Debian is the only big distro recommending separated /usr, and then only for multiuser setups. It's really years since I've looked

Re: [gentoo-user] grub and what happens exactly when booting.

2011-09-16 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Friday, September 16, 2011 11:58:11 AM Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:47:01 -0500 Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Mick wrote: You will need to patch your kernel (in your sdb test OS) and then you will also need to make a reiser4 fs on your sdb

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-15 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Wednesday, September 14, 2011 10:30:03 AM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 1:52 AM, Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Tuesday, September 13, 2011 06:33:01 PM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-15 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Wednesday, September 14, 2011 10:37:14 AM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:06 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 17:10:40 -0400, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: No, by you know what needs to be done I mean: code. Contribute. Become a developer.

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-15 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Wednesday, September 14, 2011 06:40:44 PM Sebastian Beßler wrote: This thread goes in endless circles, round and round and round. In the last 20 posts or so is not one new argument pro or con can be found, both sides only repeating their pov over and over again. Nothing will be achieved

Re: [gentoo-user] New gentoo installation fails when trying to install syslog-ng

2011-09-15 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday, September 15, 2011 01:58:59 AM Trifu Catalin Florin wrote: On Thursday, 15. September 2011 01:16:12 Trifu Catalin Florin wrote: snipped undecypherable part Dear Michael Thank you for your help! I didn't reboot my machine as the installation is not complete yet. How can

Re: [gentoo-user] New gentoo installation fails when trying to install syslog-ng

2011-09-15 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday, September 15, 2011 11:37:12 AM Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: Yahoo reply broken? I don't know what to say about that... gmail works in the same way, outlook in the same way, thunderbird in the same way. In other words, they're all broken. A good Email client

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-15 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday, September 15, 2011 09:47:34 AM Michael Mol wrote: The main purpose of udev is to populate the /dev-tree. The running of scripts based on /dev-tree events should be in a seperate tool that starts later in the boot-process. I'm not entirely convinced this is the case, because

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-15 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday, September 15, 2011 10:32:50 AM Michael Mol wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: I'm not entirely convinced this is the case, because it feels like some situations like network devices (nbd, iSCSI) or loopback would require userland

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-15 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday, September 15, 2011 10:57:27 AM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: snipped to keep only the email from Canek Let me throw my own guess of how they came out with the corrent proposed solution. I repeat: is my own guess: I am not the one calling the shots, so maybe I'm completely wrong. Ok

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-15 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday, September 15, 2011 11:03:09 AM Michael Mol wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Thursday, September 15, 2011 10:32:50 AM Michael Mol wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: I'm

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-15 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday, September 15, 2011 12:16:24 PM Michael Mol wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Thursday, September 15, 2011 11:03:09 AM Michael Mol wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-15 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday, September 15, 2011 04:42:23 PM Mike Edenfield wrote: On Wednesday, September 14, 2011 01:36:56 PM Dale wrote: Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: But that's the thing: we (you and me) don't see the situation the same way. To me, the proposed changes are for the better. You are

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-15 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday, September 15, 2011 01:43:17 PM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: (This mail is to keep the guys un -user in the loop about -devel). OK, so Joost posted his proposal to -dev: snipped brief discussion on

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-15 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday, September 15, 2011 03:04:37 PM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 15 Sep 2011 16:13:26 Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: 1. The minimal initramfs will only need to be built once (and rarely rebuilt

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-15 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday, September 15, 2011 07:15:27 PM Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 17:37:53 +0200, Joost Roeleveld wrote: There are 3 solutions for this: 1) The easy way out: the whole user-space must be available before udev 2) udev actually includes correct error-handling

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-15 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday, September 15, 2011 07:37:17 PM pk wrote: On 2011-09-15 16:57, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: Of course you can solve it differently, for example splitting udev as Joost proposes. But then is more code to maintain, and the number of possible setups is suddenly the double it was

Re: IDE for C/C++ (Was: Really OT now (Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr)

2011-09-15 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday, September 15, 2011 04:05:29 PM Michael Mol wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Leonardo Guilherme leonardo.guilhe...@gmail.com wrote: I do not know the state of Geanny since I last checked (couple

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-13 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Monday, September 12, 2011 10:24:05 PM Alex Schuster wrote: Canek Peláez Valdés writes: But what you guys don't seem to realize is that /lib and /bin and /sbin was the original hack: everything really should go into /usr, because now (with an initramfs) we can do what we were not able 30

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-13 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Tuesday, September 13, 2011 04:18:38 AM Peter Humphrey wrote: On Monday 12 September 2011 21:31:09 Alan Mackenzie wrote: They could have put everything on /usr 30 years ago, if they'd have seen fit. They saw then good reason not to. What you and KS seem oblivious to is the reason for

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-13 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Monday, September 12, 2011 04:07:46 PM Michael Mol wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de wrote: On Monday, 12. September 2011 15:18:53 Michael Mol wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de wrote: On

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-13 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Monday, September 12, 2011 07:31:54 PM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de wrote: On Monday, 12. September 2011 22:57:40 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 16:07:46 -0400 Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: No,

Re: [gentoo-user] [off-topic] - can /var be placed in a separate partition?

2011-09-13 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Tuesday, September 13, 2011 03:23:45 PM Daniel Troeder wrote: On 09/12/2011 01:53 AM, Alex Schuster wrote: Francisco Ares writes: Is it possible to have /var in a separate partition, mounted during boot? This is very common. The advantage is that a process filling up the /var

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-13 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Tuesday, September 13, 2011 04:49:25 PM Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 11:21:22 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: This is why the whole /usr issue is irrelevant and not a fix at all. All it does is avoid the most common breakages caused by udev trying to run all its rules too early

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-13 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Tuesday, September 13, 2011 06:33:01 PM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de wrote: If gentoo follows fedora on this mandatory initramfs trail, I'll switch to FreeBSD completely. My software works on way more systems than just

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-12 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Saturday, September 10, 2011 02:54:58 AM Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: You give me too much credit :-) There's also Neil, Wonko, Volker, Stroller, Grant, meino.cramer, Mick, Paul, Harry, Albert, Alex, Walter, Alan Mackenzie (awesome name!), James, kashani, Pandu and about a 1000

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-12 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Saturday, September 10, 2011 02:56:48 AM Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Fri, 09 Sep 2011 20:25:22 -0500 Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: I'm lucky, I can vote with my feet. Out of 140, I have two servers that *require* Linux. One runs Sybase ASE, the

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-12 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Friday, September 09, 2011 07:24:06 PM pk wrote: On 2011-09-09 10:53, Dale wrote: Can I slap whoever started this? The more I think on this, the worse it Yes Dale, you have my permission! And while you're at it, slap him from me too! ;-) It _may_ be this guy that's responsible for

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-12 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Sunday, September 11, 2011 08:44:20 PM James Wall wrote: On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 4:46 PM, David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com wrote: On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 16:07:23 -0500, Dale wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot: Mick wrote: On Sunday 11 Sep 2011 19:56:48 Dale wrote:

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-12 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Monday, September 12, 2011 09:49:22 AM Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 09:45:44 +0200, Joost Roeleveld wrote: As long as filesystem-support for /usr is in the kernel, why can't /usr be mounted right after /? Eg. instead of worrying with an init*, why not edit the boot-scripts

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-12 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Monday, September 12, 2011 10:13:45 AM Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:07:12 +0200, Joost Roeleveld wrote: I'd like to know why these functions cannot be separated, run the command to populate /dev early on, then start the udev daemon after the filesystems have been

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-12 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Monday, September 12, 2011 08:14:57 AM Mike Edenfield wrote: On 9/12/2011 3:12 AM, Joost Roeleveld wrote: On Saturday, September 10, 2011 02:54:58 AM Dale wrote: If we are so skilled, why is the Fedora dev not listening you reckon? Is the Fedora dev aware of non-Fedora installations

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