Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?

2008-06-30 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sunday 29 June 2008, Philip Webb wrote: Doesn't that give you a huge world file ... No: of course, I 'emerge -1' when the pkg is not marked 'W/S' in my pkg.ref. Currently, 'world' lists  97  pkgs ; pkg.ref lists  513  pkgs. OK, that would work. I suppose I don't stand much chance of

Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?

2008-06-29 Thread Philip Webb
080628 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:57:05 -0400, Philip Webb wrote: the problem with 'emerge world' (without '-p') is the user hands over control of his machine to an unreliable automaton, No one has ever suggested that you run emerge world without -p or -a. Damage caused by

Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?

2008-06-29 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Saturday 28 June 2008, Philip Webb wrote: your manually maintained log is entirely redundant if you emerge Genlop How so ? -- the site given by 'eix genlop' simply goes on re Perl. emerge genlop. When it runs it essentially parses /var log/emerge.log and gives output like so: Sat

Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?

2008-06-29 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sunday 29 June 2008, Philip Webb wrote: Anyway, I continue to recommend my own approach to everyone, while knowing full well they (like me) will go on in their own way (grin). Doesn't that give you a huge world file and no easy way to identify redundant and unused libs? -- Alan McKinnon

Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?

2008-06-29 Thread Philip Webb
080629 Alan McKinnon wrote: Doesn't that give you a huge world file ... No: of course, I 'emerge -1' when the pkg is not marked 'W/S' in my pkg.ref. Currently, 'world' lists 97 pkgs ; pkg.ref lists 513 pkgs. ... and no easy way to identify redundant and unused libs? This is clear when a

Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?

2008-06-28 Thread Philip Webb
080628 William Kenworthy top-posted (ugh!): On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 12:41 -0700, Grant wrote: Lately it seems like a new problem pops up every day and every time I try to do something new it doesn't work. Anybody else experiencing that lately? My Gentoo systems get this way for one of two

Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?

2008-06-28 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Saturday 28 June 2008, Philip Webb wrote: 'emerge world' is the source of many problems regularly reported here. Do you mean 'emerge world enter' as opposed to the much more sensible 'emerge -p world', examine output for problems, consider each update, examine USE flag changes for impact,

Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?

2008-06-28 Thread Stroller
On 28 Jun 2008, at 03:47, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I think it could be the pick-and-mix approach to keywording, I use pure | ~amd64 on my desktop and laptop and the only problems I've had recently | turned out to be a

Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?

2008-06-28 Thread Dave Jones
Alan McKinnon wrote on 28/06/08 08:54: The ~x86 branch seems to have settled into not-so-cutting-edge anymore, quite similar to what other distros release - Ubuntu for examples. x86 seems to be taking it's lead lately from Debian :-) Would it were so! tcp-wrappers bug 158306, opened on

Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?

2008-06-28 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
so, have you asked to become its maintainer to fix the bugs? -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?

2008-06-28 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 08:50:07 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Do you think I might have swung from being waay too verbose to being waay too brief? Do you want the long answer or the short answer? ;-) -- Neil Bothwick When puns are outlawed only outlaws will have puns. signature.asc

Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?

2008-06-28 Thread Dave Jones
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote on 28/06/08 14:12: so, have you asked to become its maintainer to fix the bugs? Lacking the necessary skills, no. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?

2008-06-28 Thread Mike Edenfield
Grant wrote: | I think it could be the pick-and-mix approach to keywording, I use pure | ~amd64 on my desktop and laptop and the only problems I've had recently | turned out to be a corrupt root filesystem. | | yeah, mixing isn't good. Pure systems are way more stable. Now that's an

Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?

2008-06-28 Thread Philip Webb
080628 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 02:53:53 -0400, Philip Webb wrote: 'emerge world' is the source of many problems regularly reported here. No, it's changing package versions that breaks a working system, whether this is a result of running 'emerge world' or updating the guilty

Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately: correction

2008-06-28 Thread Philip Webb
080628 Philip Webb wrote: I've been doing it this way for nearly 8 years Of course, I mean nearly 5 years . -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban

Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?

2008-06-28 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:57:05 -0400, Philip Webb wrote: No, the problem with 'emerge world' (without '-p') is that the user hands over control of his machine to an unreliable automaton, No one has ever suggested that you run emerge world without -p or -a. Damage caused by using a tool badly

[gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?

2008-06-27 Thread Grant
Lately it seems like a new problem pops up every day and every time I try to do something new it doesn't work. Anybody else experiencing that lately? - Grant -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?

2008-06-27 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 27 June 2008, Grant wrote: Lately it seems like a new problem pops up every day and every time I try to do something new it doesn't work. Anybody else experiencing that lately? No. -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?

2008-06-27 Thread Joshua D Doll
Grant wrote: Lately it seems like a new problem pops up every day and every time I try to do something new it doesn't work. Anybody else experiencing that lately? - Grant Rock solid. --Joshua Doll -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?

2008-06-27 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Freitag, 27. Juni 2008, Grant wrote: Lately it seems like a new problem pops up every day and every time I try to do something new it doesn't work. Anybody else experiencing that lately? - Grant a botched gcc-upgrade/clean cycle damaged gcc beyond repair - but that was easily solved by

Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?

2008-06-27 Thread Brian Johnson
Grant, I've had a lot of problems lately upgrading ~arch and masked packages. This is expected (obviously) but 99% of the time I am able to fix them myself without going through support resources. If you're using any that are ~arch and in packages.mask perhaps that is why you're having problems

Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?

2008-06-27 Thread Grant
Grant, I've had a lot of problems lately upgrading ~arch and masked packages. This is expected (obviously) but 99% of the time I am able to fix them myself without going through support resources. If you're using any that are ~arch and in packages.mask perhaps that is why you're having

Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?

2008-06-27 Thread b.n.
Grant ha scritto: Lately it seems like a new problem pops up every day and every time I try to do something new it doesn't work. Anybody else experiencing that lately? - Grant Yes. Looks like my Gentoo box is rotting these days, but most probably it's me not having time at all to iron out

Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?

2008-06-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:09:16 -0700, Grant wrote: I think you're right Brian. Of course, this is nobody's fault but mine for using ~amd64 packages, but I only pull those in if I feel I have to. Quite a few of them now though. Does it seem like ~arch packages have been more difficult lately?

Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?

2008-06-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:01:10 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Lately it seems like a new problem pops up every day and every time I try to do something new it doesn't work. Anybody else experiencing that lately? No. How can you be so certain that not one of the thousands of Gentoo users

Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?

2008-06-27 Thread Daniel da Veiga
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lately it seems like a new problem pops up every day and every time I try to do something new it doesn't work. Anybody else experiencing that lately? After almost 8 months withtou an upgrade, I finally decided to go on with it,

Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?

2008-06-27 Thread Joshua D Doll
b.n. wrote: Grant ha scritto: Lately it seems like a new problem pops up every day and every time I try to do something new it doesn't work. Anybody else experiencing that lately? - Grant Yes. Looks like my Gentoo box is rotting these days, but most probably it's me not having time at all

Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?

2008-06-27 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Freitag, 27. Juni 2008, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:09:16 -0700, Grant wrote: I think you're right Brian. Of course, this is nobody's fault but mine for using ~amd64 packages, but I only pull those in if I feel I have to. Quite a few of them now though. Does it seem

Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?

2008-06-27 Thread Chris Walters
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: | On Freitag, 27. Juni 2008, Neil Bothwick wrote: | I think it could be the pick-and-mix approach to keywording, I use pure | ~amd64 on my desktop and laptop and the only problems I've had recently | turned out to be a

Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?

2008-06-27 Thread Grant
| I think it could be the pick-and-mix approach to keywording, I use pure | ~amd64 on my desktop and laptop and the only problems I've had recently | turned out to be a corrupt root filesystem. | | yeah, mixing isn't good. Pure systems are way more stable. Now that's an interesting idea.

Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?

2008-06-27 Thread Mick
On Friday 27 June 2008, Grant wrote: | I think it could be the pick-and-mix approach to keywording, I use | pure ~amd64 on my desktop and laptop and the only problems I've had | recently turned out to be a corrupt root filesystem. | | yeah, mixing isn't good. Pure systems are way more

Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?

2008-06-27 Thread William Kenworthy
My Gentoo systems get this way for one of two reasons: Some config files get overwritten (make.conf was one time ) by accident and a few packages get installed with the wrong build settings causing random grief system inconsistency, mainly with libraries. revdep-rebuild may or may not help - if