Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-18 Thread David Haller
Hello, On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, hw wrote: >David Haller schrieb: [..] >> Yep. BTDT. I had a then 4-4.5 year old gentoo quite broken by being >> partly updated until portage/emerge broke and much else didn't work >> anymore (gcc/make/python/emerge). So, I booted something else, mounted >> gentoo

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-16 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 16/08/2016 18:40, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Peter Humphrey > wrote: >> On Tuesday 16 Aug 2016 16:58:20 hw wrote: >> >>> The messages are cryptic, and you have to guess what they are trying to >>> tell you. >> >> *Guess?* Good God, man. You

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-16 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 16/08/2016 20:04, Mick wrote: > The longest I've taken to update a server was around 6 months - I was > planning > to retire it, but plans changed. If anything it tested my memory, because I > came across each and every problem I had come across when I was updating my > other systems in

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-16 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 08/16/2016 10:58 AM, hw wrote: > > Three months is not "ridiculously outdated", yet the update doesn´t work. > 1.5 years isn´t "ridiculously outdated", either --- maybe a bit old, but > what´s the problem? > >> Of course, you'll have to deal with new/renamed/moved/gone packages >> and such

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-16 Thread Mick
On Tuesday 16 Aug 2016 12:24:40 Michael Mol wrote: > On Tuesday, August 16, 2016 11:19:27 AM Rich Freeman wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 11:02 AM, Michael Mol wrote: > > > My workstation updates on a cron job every day at 6PM. I check my email > > > in > > > the morning to

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-16 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Tuesday 16 Aug 2016 16:58:20 hw wrote: > >> The messages are cryptic, and you have to guess what they are trying to >> tell you. > > *Guess?* Good God, man. You don't guess - you use your experience and your >

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-16 Thread Michael Mol
On Tuesday, August 16, 2016 11:19:27 AM Rich Freeman wrote: > On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 11:02 AM, Michael Mol wrote: > > My workstation updates on a cron job every day at 6PM. I check my email in > > the morning to see if it ran into any trouble, correct whatever it > >

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-16 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 16:29:45 +0200, hw wrote: > >> About 1.5 years --- not really a long time. > > > > You're kidding, right? You're running a production server without the > > last 18 months' worth of security updates? > > What can you do when you don´t have the time to do the updates, On

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-16 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 16:58:20 +0200, hw wrote: > Perhaps you can do that when you´re an expert user of the packagage > management and have lots of time on your hands. I just need to update. This is what makes us think Gentoo is not the right choice for you. > It would already be much easier if

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-16 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Tuesday 16 Aug 2016 16:58:20 hw wrote: > Three months is not "ridiculously outdated", yet the update doesn´t work. Three months *is* a dangerously long time to leave a Gentoo system, whether you like it or not, and just asking for trouble. Eighteen months is worse than ridiculous - it's

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-16 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 11:02 AM, Michael Mol wrote: > > My workstation updates on a cron job every day at 6PM. I check my email in the > morning to see if it ran into any trouble, correct whatever it complained > about, and let it try again the next evening. > I think you're

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-16 Thread Michael Mol
On Tuesday, August 16, 2016 04:29:45 PM hw wrote: > Neil Bothwick schrieb: > > On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 16:26:21 +0200, hw wrote: > >>> If you see this now, your production server hasn't been updated for a > >>> long time... > >> > >> About 1.5 years --- not really a long time. > > > > You're

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-16 Thread hw
james schrieb: On 08/10/2016 06:54 AM, hw wrote: Hi, I´m trying to upgrade portage because I´m getting a message that it needs to be able to work with EAPI 6 packages and can only do EAPI 5. I´m running into merge conflicts when trying to update portage, and apparently one of the packages

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-16 Thread hw
David Haller schrieb: Hello, On Sat, 13 Aug 2016, Andreas K. Hüttel wrote: Am Mittwoch, 10. August 2016, 12:54:37 schrieb hw: I?m trying to upgrade portage because I?m getting a message that it needs to be able to work with EAPI 6 packages and can only do EAPI 5. [..] If you see this now,

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-16 Thread Daniel Frey
On 08/16/2016 07:29 AM, hw wrote: > Neil Bothwick schrieb: >> On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 16:26:21 +0200, hw wrote: >> If you see this now, your production server hasn't been updated for a long time... >>> >>> About 1.5 years --- not really a long time. >> >> You're kidding, right? You're

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-16 Thread hw
Neil Bothwick schrieb: On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 16:26:21 +0200, hw wrote: If you see this now, your production server hasn't been updated for a long time... About 1.5 years --- not really a long time. You're kidding, right? You're running a production server without the last 18 months' worth of

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-16 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 8:13 AM, hw wrote: > > Every three months is not infrequently. > >... > > Seriously, update every day? > As Neil has mentioned, there seems to be a mismatch in expectations. Every day updates are probably fairly typical for Gentoo users. I don't update all

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-16 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 16/08/2016 14:13, hw wrote: > So after all, Gentoo seemed the least-bad choice with some arguments for > it. > Now it turns out that you can´t update it without running into problems all > the time, and currently not at all. No, that is absolutely not true. You have to understand that you

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-16 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 13:13:38 +0200, hw wrote: > Since someone said I should use the same python target for everything, > I set one globally. Why wouldn´t that target be used? It will, unless overridden per-package, but existing software will still be installed with the old settings. > Even if

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-16 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 14:13:16 +0200, hw wrote: > > You're probably always running into problems like this because you > > infrequently update Gentoo. > > Every three months is not infrequently. It is considered so for Gentoo. > > If you ran it every day you'd probably only run into issues

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-16 Thread hw
Rich Freeman schrieb: On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 10:08 AM, hw wrote: I infrequently update Gentoo because I´m *always* running into problems like this. 'Infrequently' means about every 3 months at home, and not since, IIRC, 2015-02 here at work. The last update at home got

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-16 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:23 AM, hw wrote: > Neil Bothwick schrieb: >> >> On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 16:08:34 +0200, hw wrote: >> >>> infrequently update Gentoo because I´m *always* running into problems >>> like this. >> >> Every time, or is that just hyperbole? > > every time Keep in

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-16 Thread hw
Neil Bothwick schrieb: On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 16:08:34 +0200, hw wrote: infrequently update Gentoo because I´m *always* running into problems like this. Every time, or is that just hyperbole? every time 'Infrequently' means about every 3 months at home, and not since, IIRC, 2015-02 here

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-16 Thread hw
Fernando Rodriguez schrieb: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 08/13/2016 09:40 AM, hw wrote: Fernando Rodriguez schrieb: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 08/12/2016 08:44 AM, Jeroen Mathon wrote: Is it perhaps an idea to mask the gentoolkit package when

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-15 Thread Fernando Rodriguez
On 08/15/2016 09:12 AM, Fernando Rodriguez wrote: > On 08/13/2016 09:40 AM, hw wrote: >> Fernando Rodriguez schrieb: >>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >>> Hash: SHA256 >>> >>> On 08/12/2016 08:44 AM, Jeroen Mathon wrote: Is it perhaps an idea to mask the gentoolkit package when updating

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-15 Thread Fernando Rodriguez
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 08/13/2016 09:40 AM, hw wrote: > Fernando Rodriguez schrieb: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA256 >> >> On 08/12/2016 08:44 AM, Jeroen Mathon wrote: >>> Is it perhaps an idea to mask the gentoolkit package when updating portage?

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-14 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 08/13/2016 10:09 AM, hw wrote: >> >> Not the whole system, only portage. It should still be your last resort, >> but on the bad-idea scale it's only a 1 or a 2. > > And how would I know which of all the files affect only portage and nothing > else, and what about the dependencies of portage? >

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-14 Thread David Haller
Hello, On Sat, 13 Aug 2016, Andreas K. Hüttel wrote: >Am Mittwoch, 10. August 2016, 12:54:37 schrieb hw: >> I?m trying to upgrade portage because I?m getting a message that it >> needs to be able to work with EAPI 6 packages and can only do EAPI 5. [..] >If you see this now, your production

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-13 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 10:08 AM, hw wrote: > > I infrequently update Gentoo because I´m *always* running into problems > like this. 'Infrequently' means about every 3 months at home, and not > since, IIRC, 2015-02 here at work. The last update at home got stalled > because perl

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-13 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 16:08:34 +0200, hw wrote: > infrequently update Gentoo because I´m *always* running into problems > like this. Every time, or is that just hyperbole? > 'Infrequently' means about every 3 months at home, and not > since, IIRC, 2015-02 here at work. The last update at home

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-13 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 16:26:21 +0200, hw wrote: > > If you see this now, your production server hasn't been updated for a > > long time... > > About 1.5 years --- not really a long time. You're kidding, right? You're running a production server without the last 18 months' worth of security

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-13 Thread james
On 08/10/2016 06:54 AM, hw wrote: Hi, I´m trying to upgrade portage because I´m getting a message that it needs to be able to work with EAPI 6 packages and can only do EAPI 5. I´m running into merge conflicts when trying to update portage, and apparently one of the packages

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-13 Thread james
On 08/13/2016 10:22 AM, hw wrote: james schrieb: On 08/12/2016 07:26 AM, hw wrote: Michael Orlitzky schrieb: On 08/10/2016 06:54 AM, hw wrote: Hi, I´m trying to upgrade portage because I´m getting a message that it needs to be able to work with EAPI 6 packages and can only do EAPI 5. I´m

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-13 Thread Andreas K. Hüttel
Am Samstag, 13. August 2016, 16:26:21 schrieb hw: > > Interesting idea :) I´d be afraid that this version of portage might > find files of the regular installation and get confused and kill the > kittens ... Well this is essentially how portage team (to my knowlegde) tests git HEAD version of

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-13 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Saturday 13 Aug 2016 16:26:21 hw wrote: > Andreas K. Hüttel schrieb: > > If you see this now, your production server hasn't been updated for a > > long time... > > About 1.5 years --- not really a long time. Au contraire. In a Gentoo world, this is comparable with the age of the universe.

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-13 Thread hw
Andreas K. Hüttel schrieb: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am Mittwoch, 10. August 2016, 12:54:37 schrieb hw: Hi, I´m trying to upgrade portage because I´m getting a message that it needs to be able to work with EAPI 6 packages and can only do EAPI 5. I´m running into merge

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-13 Thread hw
james schrieb: On 08/12/2016 07:26 AM, hw wrote: Michael Orlitzky schrieb: On 08/10/2016 06:54 AM, hw wrote: Hi, I´m trying to upgrade portage because I´m getting a message that it needs to be able to work with EAPI 6 packages and can only do EAPI 5. I´m running into merge conflicts when

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-13 Thread hw
Michael Orlitzky schrieb: On 08/12/2016 08:26 AM, hw wrote: Try the other suggestions first -- but as a last resort -- you can always grab a new stage3 that should contain an updated version of portage and simply overwrite the portage files on your machine. A quickpkg from another Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-13 Thread hw
Rich Freeman schrieb: On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 08/10/2016 06:54 AM, hw wrote: Hi, I´m trying to upgrade portage because I´m getting a message that it needs to be able to work with EAPI 6 packages and can only do EAPI 5. I´m running into

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-13 Thread hw
Fernando Rodriguez schrieb: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 08/12/2016 08:44 AM, Jeroen Mathon wrote: Is it perhaps an idea to mask the gentoolkit package when updating portage? Since that version of gentoolkit doesn't depend on a specific version of portage but does

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-13 Thread Andreas K. Hüttel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am Mittwoch, 10. August 2016, 12:54:37 schrieb hw: > Hi, > > I´m trying to upgrade portage because I´m getting a message that it > needs to be able to work with EAPI 6 packages and can only do EAPI 5. > > I´m running into merge conflicts when

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-12 Thread Fernando Rodriguez
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 08/12/2016 08:44 AM, Jeroen Mathon wrote: > Is it perhaps an idea to mask the gentoolkit package when updating portage? Since that version of gentoolkit doesn't depend on a specific version of portage but does depend on portage with the same

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-12 Thread james
On 08/12/2016 07:26 AM, hw wrote: Michael Orlitzky schrieb: On 08/10/2016 06:54 AM, hw wrote: Hi, I´m trying to upgrade portage because I´m getting a message that it needs to be able to work with EAPI 6 packages and can only do EAPI 5. I´m running into merge conflicts when trying to update

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-12 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 08/12/2016 08:26 AM, hw wrote: >> >> Try the other suggestions first -- but as a last resort -- you can >> always grab a new stage3 that should contain an updated version of >> portage and simply overwrite the portage files on your machine. A >> quickpkg from another Gentoo machine (or the

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-12 Thread hw
PS: Sorry, I tried it in a container. Here´s what I get on the host: emerge -1a portage [...] [ebuild N ] sys-apps/install-xattr-0.5 [ebuild N ] dev-python/packaging-15.3-r2 USE="{-test}" PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7 python3_4 (-pypy) (-pypy3) -python3_3 (-python3_5)" [ebuild U

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-12 Thread Jeroen Mathon
Is it perhaps an idea to mask the gentoolkit package when updating portage? On 12-08-16 14:42, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 14:16:25 +0200, hw wrote: sys-apps/portage:0 (sys-apps/portage-2.2.28:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled in by sys-apps/portage (Argument)

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-12 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 14:16:25 +0200, hw wrote: > sys-apps/portage:0 > >(sys-apps/portage-2.2.28:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) > pulled in by sys-apps/portage (Argument) > >(sys-apps/portage-2.2.14:0/0::gentoo, installed) pulled in by > >

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-12 Thread hw
Michael Orlitzky schrieb: On 08/10/2016 06:54 AM, hw wrote: Hi, I´m trying to upgrade portage because I´m getting a message that it needs to be able to work with EAPI 6 packages and can only do EAPI 5. I´m running into merge conflicts when trying to update portage, and apparently one of the

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-12 Thread hw
Neil Bothwick schrieb: On Wed, 10 Aug 2016 12:54:37 +0200, hw wrote: emerge -a portage --newuse --update That tries to updates deps too, try this emerge -1a portage or even, if that still fails emerge -1a --nodeps portage emerge -1a portage [...] Calculating dependencies... done!

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-10 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 08/10/2016 06:54 AM, hw wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I´m trying to upgrade portage because I´m getting a message that it >> needs to be able to work with EAPI 6 packages and can only do EAPI 5. >> >> I´m running into merge

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-10 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 08/10/2016 06:54 AM, hw wrote: > > Hi, > > I´m trying to upgrade portage because I´m getting a message that it > needs to be able to work with EAPI 6 packages and can only do EAPI 5. > > I´m running into merge conflicts when trying to update portage, and > apparently one of the packages

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-10 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 10 Aug 2016 12:54:37 +0200, hw wrote: > emerge -a portage --newuse --update That tries to updates deps too, try this emerge -1a portage or even, if that still fails emerge -1a --nodeps portage -- Neil Bothwick Press button to test: release to detonate. pgptRlEor0gpj.pgp

Re: [gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-10 Thread Azamat Hackimov
Hello. Try to install first lower version of cryptography: emerge -av1 =cryptography-1.1.2 This version require at least cffi-1.2.1, which don't need EAPI 6. Next try to install portage: emerge -av =portage-2.2.28

[gentoo-user] EAPI packages

2016-08-10 Thread hw
Hi, I´m trying to upgrade portage because I´m getting a message that it needs to be able to work with EAPI 6 packages and can only do EAPI 5. I´m running into merge conflicts when trying to update portage, and apparently one of the packages (dev-python/cryptography) I could try to update first