Re: [gentoo-user] another old box to update

2015-01-08 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
On 08.01.2015 00:02, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 07/01/2015 22:30, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Am 07.01.2015 um 20:06 schrieb Tomas Mozes: Strange, I only have successful stories with upgrading old gentoo machines. If you have a machine which you update regularly then you know all the issues

Re: [gentoo-user] another old box to update

2015-01-07 Thread Tomas Mozes
On 2015-01-07 12:52, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: I am in the process of upgrading an old (~2010) gentoo server. The customer never wanted updates ... and now he wants ... *sigh* I managed to compile basic stuff already ... portage, gcc etc Now I get errors at emerging packages which is bad.

Re: [gentoo-user] another old box to update

2015-01-07 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 07.01.2015 um 13:13 schrieb Neil Bothwick: On Wed, 07 Jan 2015 13:01:34 +0100, Tomas Mozes wrote: Try to fetch some older portage snapshots http://dev.gentoo.org/~swift/snapshots/ and update in steps, not as a 4 year giant leap. Try to fetch

Re: [gentoo-user] another old box to update

2015-01-07 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 07.01.2015 um 12:52 schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: Thanks for any pointers! I *think* I solved it by fixing the binutils-setting ... just testing ... seems solved for now! Stefan

Re: [gentoo-user] another old box to update

2015-01-07 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 07.01.2015 um 14:06 schrieb Alan McKinnon: The tricky one is going to be that persistent interface names from udev 18 months or so back. When you get to that, you'll probably want to re-read the huge threads from that time, as you only get one chance to get it right. One addition: at the

Re: [gentoo-user] another old box to update

2015-01-07 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 8:06 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: openrc should be seamless. I forget the exact timelines, but IIRC you will also hit baselayout-2 migration. That one was very smooth and well documented so you shouldn't have much trouble. If it is already running

Re: [gentoo-user] another old box to update

2015-01-07 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 07.01.2015 um 14:28 schrieb Rich Freeman: On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 8:06 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: openrc should be seamless. I forget the exact timelines, but IIRC you will also hit baselayout-2 migration. That one was very smooth and well documented so you shouldn't

Re: [gentoo-user] another old box to update

2015-01-07 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 07/01/2015 15:19, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Am 07.01.2015 um 14:06 schrieb Alan McKinnon: The tricky one is going to be that persistent interface names from udev 18 months or so back. When you get to that, you'll probably want to re-read the huge threads from that time, as you only get

Re: [gentoo-user] another old box to update

2015-01-07 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 07/01/2015 21:06, Tomas Mozes wrote: On 2015-01-07 13:47, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 07/01/2015 13:52, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: I am in the process of upgrading an old (~2010) gentoo server. The customer never wanted updates ... and now he wants ... *sigh* Don't waste your time (you

Re: [gentoo-user] another old box to update

2015-01-07 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 08.01.2015 um 00:02 schrieb Alan McKinnon: In my opinion, ansible almost always beats puppet. Puppet is a) complex b) built to be able to deal with vast enterprise setups and c) has a definition language I never could wrap my brains around. It always felt to me like puppet was never a

Re: [gentoo-user] another old box to update

2015-01-07 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 07/01/2015 22:30, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Am 07.01.2015 um 20:06 schrieb Tomas Mozes: Strange, I only have successful stories with upgrading old gentoo machines. If you have a machine which you update regularly then you know all the issues during the time and so upgrading per partes

Re: [gentoo-user] another old box to update

2015-01-07 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 07.01.2015 um 20:06 schrieb Tomas Mozes: Strange, I only have successful stories with upgrading old gentoo machines. If you have a machine which you update regularly then you know all the issues during the time and so upgrading per partes leads to no surprises but the same challenges

Re: [gentoo-user] another old box to update

2015-01-07 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 07.01.2015 um 17:08 schrieb Rich Freeman: On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: It's worth repeating: the customer caused this, he must now feel the pain and not you. So, if he made an informed choice and that is what he chose, then that is how it

Re: [gentoo-user] another old box to update

2015-01-07 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 07.01.2015 um 13:47 schrieb Alan McKinnon: On 07/01/2015 13:52, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: I am in the process of upgrading an old (~2010) gentoo server. The customer never wanted updates ... and now he wants ... *sigh* Don't waste your time (you are already experiencing the full

Re: [gentoo-user] another old box to update

2015-01-07 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: It's worth repeating: the customer caused this, he must now feel the pain and not you. So, if he made an informed choice and that is what he chose, then that is how it has to be. However, if I were in the position

Re: [gentoo-user] another old box to update

2015-01-07 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 07 Jan 2015 14:19:27 +0100, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: at the reboot time a fellow IT-guy will be there in front of the console so if the NIC doesn't come up correctly I will be able to instruct him to get the box up and reachable for me. I also use to disable persistent names for

Re: [gentoo-user] another old box to update

2015-01-07 Thread Tomas Mozes
On 2015-01-07 13:47, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 07/01/2015 13:52, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: I am in the process of upgrading an old (~2010) gentoo server. The customer never wanted updates ... and now he wants ... *sigh* Don't waste your time (you are already experiencing the full reason

[gentoo-user] another old box to update

2015-01-07 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
I am in the process of upgrading an old (~2010) gentoo server. The customer never wanted updates ... and now he wants ... *sigh* I managed to compile basic stuff already ... portage, gcc etc Now I get errors at emerging packages which is bad. Still no openrc installed and the udev-upgrade also

Re: [gentoo-user] another old box to update

2015-01-07 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 07 Jan 2015 13:01:34 +0100, Tomas Mozes wrote: Try to fetch some older portage snapshots http://dev.gentoo.org/~swift/snapshots/ and update in steps, not as a 4 year giant leap. Try to fetch snapshot 2011, then upgrade, then 2012, upgrade... It takes more time, but it should work.

Re: [gentoo-user] another old box to update

2015-01-07 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 07/01/2015 14:56, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Am 07.01.2015 um 13:47 schrieb Alan McKinnon: On 07/01/2015 13:52, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: I am in the process of upgrading an old (~2010) gentoo server. The customer never wanted updates ... and now he wants ... *sigh* Don't waste your

Re: [gentoo-user] another old box to update

2015-01-07 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 07/01/2015 13:52, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: I am in the process of upgrading an old (~2010) gentoo server. The customer never wanted updates ... and now he wants ... *sigh* Don't waste your time (you are already experiencing the full reason why). Backup data and configs, reinstall

Re: [gentoo-user] another old box to update

2015-01-07 Thread Matti Nykyri
On Jan 7, 2015, at 14:47, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 07/01/2015 13:52, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: I am in the process of upgrading an old (~2010) gentoo server. The customer never wanted updates ... and now he wants ... *sigh* Don't waste your time (you are

Re: [gentoo-user] another old box to update

2015-01-07 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 07.01.2015 um 14:44 schrieb Alan McKinnon: On 07/01/2015 15:19, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Seems as if the biggest problems are solved right now? if you ran emerge -avuND world and portage goes ahead and does it without blockers, then I'd agree - the major problems are solved. It's