Re: [gentoo-user] what's the deal with use flags in (brackets)?

2005-05-02 Thread Graham Murray
Calvin Spealman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: but amd64 is itself an extension of the x86 architecture, isn't that the case? amd64 chips run x86 code, i'm sure. do they not support those extensions? I understand that for some reason the USE flags are irrelevent here, but I don't understand why

Re: [gentoo-user] what's the deal with use flags in (brackets)?

2005-05-02 Thread Calvin Spealman
So its automatic detection of the features if possible, but USE flags if otherwise. OK, now I get it. The way it had been said, I just got the impression there was something different going on. Thanks for clearing up the confusion.On 5/2/05, Graham Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Calvin Spealman

Re: [gentoo-user] what's the deal with use flags in (brackets)?

2005-05-02 Thread Neil Walker
Calvin Spealman wrote: So its automatic detection of the features if possible, but USE flags if otherwise. No. There is no detection. Just assumption that AMD65 will support certain extensions. And please turn of HTML for posts in mailing lists. Be lucky, Neil -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing

Re: [gentoo-user] what's the deal with use flags in (brackets)?

2005-05-02 Thread Bruno Lustosa
On 5/2/05, Neil Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So its automatic detection of the features if possible, but USE flags if otherwise. No. There is no detection. Just assumption that AMD65 will support certain extensions. In other words, -march=athlon64 implies those flags. -- Bruno

Re: [gentoo-user] what's the deal with use flags in (brackets)?

2005-05-01 Thread Calvin Spealman
but amd64 is itself an extension of the x86 architecture, isn't that the case? amd64 chips run x86 code, i'm sure. do they not support those extensions? I understand that for some reason the USE flags are irrelevent here, but I don't understand why and it is starting to drive me crazy because I'm

Re: [gentoo-user] what's the deal with use flags in (brackets)?

2005-04-30 Thread Kiawud
On 4/29/05, Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:54:57 + Calvin Spealman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | i dont understand whats going on here. I thought those flags enabled | the use of extended sets of the x86 instruction set, and amd64 chips | are in the x86

Re: [gentoo-user] what's the deal with use flags in (brackets)?

2005-04-30 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 10:27:15 -0600 Kiawud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I thought that if you 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' it'll show you the flags | that are compatible with your cpu. Is that not accurate for the amd64 | chip? Uh huh, but those flags don't correspond to the USE flags. -- Ciaran McCreesh

Re: [gentoo-user] what's the deal with use flags in (brackets)?

2005-04-30 Thread Keith Gable
What they're saying is that SSE/SSE2/MMX and so on are automatically applied without the flags. The flags are only there because not every x86 chip supports SSE, SSE2, and so on. On AMD64, the flags are ignored and it's compiled with any of those processor optimizations that it knowingly supports.

Re: [gentoo-user] what's the deal with use flags in (brackets)?

2005-04-29 Thread daniel
On April 28, 2005 11:14 pm, Paul Varner wrote: On Thu, 2005-04-28 at 22:46 -0400, daniel wrote: can someone please explain to me why these flags are being ignored and what those brackets mean? if you're interested, here's my USE variable in make.conf (i used app-portage/ufed): What

Re: [gentoo-user] what's the deal with use flags in (brackets)?

2005-04-29 Thread daniel
On April 29, 2005 09:06 am, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 08:44:54 -0400 daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | oh that's what it means! where'd you find that out? does this mean | that using an amd64 means i won't get support for any of those | things? is this likely to change?

Re: [gentoo-user] what's the deal with use flags in (brackets)?

2005-04-29 Thread Calvin Spealman
i dont understand whats going on here. I thought those flags enabled the use of extended sets of the x86 instruction set, and amd64 chips are in the x86 family, aren't they? and they support those extensions, I'm sure, so what then do those flags do that the amd64 can't make use of the flags?On

Re: [gentoo-user] what's the deal with use flags in (brackets)?

2005-04-29 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:54:57 + Calvin Spealman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | i dont understand whats going on here. I thought those flags enabled | the use of extended sets of the x86 instruction set, and amd64 chips | are in the x86 family, aren't they? and they support those | extensions, I'm

[gentoo-user] what's the deal with use flags in (brackets)?

2005-04-28 Thread daniel
i've been noticing lately that the output of emerge -pv is giving me some interesting output: $ emerge -pv mplayer These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild R ] media-video/mplayer-1.0_pre6-r5 (-3dfx) (-3dnow) +3dnowext +X

Re: [gentoo-user] what's the deal with use flags in (brackets)?

2005-04-28 Thread Paul Varner
On Thu, 2005-04-28 at 22:46 -0400, daniel wrote: i've been noticing lately that the output of emerge -pv is giving me some interesting output: $ emerge -pv mplayer These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild R ]