[GOAL] Re: Reaching for the Reachable

2012-07-13 Thread Jan Velterop
Stevan may well be right that the repository of the U of Liege (ORBi) contains 3,620 chemistry papers. But apart from posters, most deposits of articles published in peer-reviewed journals, and even theses, are marked restricted access and not accessible to me, and 'libre' access seems

[GOAL] Re: Chemistry and the Green Door

2012-07-13 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 1:17 AM, Stevan Harnad har...@ecs.soton.ac.ukwrote: Sorry, part of my reply was about VCs below, not chemists! My reply about chemists should have been this: It is not chemists that oppose self-archiving, it's their publishers! (I've long predicted that as publishers

[GOAL] Re: Chemistry and the Green Door

2012-07-13 Thread brentier
Le 13 juil. 2012 à 09:32, Peter Murray-Rust pm...@cam.ac.uk a écrit : What is the percentage of full-text ACS papers pubished by Liege which are visible at time of publication? None, of course! Just ask for an e-print when you are in thé ORBi web site and we'll send it at once. It's Green,

[GOAL] Re: Reaching for the Reachable

2012-07-13 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 8:08 AM, Peter Murray-Rust pm...@cam.ac.uk wrote: On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 7:48 AM, Jan Velterop velte...@gmail.com wrote: Stevan may well be right that the repository of the U of Liege (ORBi) contains 3,620 chemistry papers. But apart from posters, most deposits of

[GOAL] Re: Chemistry and the Green Door

2012-07-13 Thread Jan Velterop
If ever one needed an argument in favour of 'gold' OA, here it is. Jan On 13 Jul 2012, at 09:48, brent...@ulg.ac.be wrote: Le 13 juil. 2012 à 09:32, Peter Murray-Rust pm...@cam.ac.uk a écrit : What is the percentage of full-text ACS papers pubished by Liege which are visible at time

[GOAL] Re: Chemistry and the Green Door

2012-07-13 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 8:48 AM, brent...@ulg.ac.be wrote: Thanks for answering Le 13 juil. 2012 à 09:32, Peter Murray-Rust pm...@cam.ac.uk a écrit : What is the percentage of full-text ACS papers pubished by Liege which are visible at time of publication? None, of course! And that's

[GOAL] Re: Chemistry and the Green Door

2012-07-13 Thread Kiley, Robert
Peter These 1059 articles were deposited via the ACS open choice option. There will be other ACS papers, funded by NIH authors, which are in PMC but were not routed through the open choice route. These papers will be made available after 12 months, and will not have re-use permissions. These

[GOAL] Re: Chemistry and the Green Door

2012-07-13 Thread Jan Velterop
So really, the only true deposited open access articles are published as 'gold'. At least that is the impression I get from this exchange. Jan On 13 Jul 2012, at 10:19, Kiley, Robert wrote: Peter These 1059 articles were deposited via the ACS “open choice” option. There will be other

[GOAL] Re: Chemistry and the Green Door

2012-07-13 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Kiley, Robert r.ki...@wellcome.ac.ukwrote: Peter ** ** These 1059 articles were deposited via the ACS “open choice” option. Thanks - This is (I believe) hybrid Gold - author pays for MS to be Open in some definition of the term (but not yet CC-BY)

[GOAL] Re: Chemistry and the Green Door

2012-07-13 Thread Jan Velterop
In order to remove ambiguity from the discussion, I think we should make clear that: 1) it is about Open Access, not about deposit in repositories per se (though such deposit can well be one of the routes to open access as already established in Budapest over a decade ago) 2) any repositories

[GOAL] Re: Reaching for the Reachable

2012-07-13 Thread Stevan Harnad
FOR THE PERPLEXED GOAL READER: For the perplexed reader who is wondering what on earth all this to and fro on GOAL is about: 1. Gratis Open Access (OA) means free online access to peer-reviewed journal articles. 2. Libre OA means free online access to peer-reviewed journal articles + certain

[GOAL] Google's role in sustaining the public good to research parallel to developments in open access?

2012-07-13 Thread Omega Alpha Open Access
Greetings. I get the sense that Google Scholar is becoming the default indexer for open access research in STM with slower but also increasing uptake in the SS and humanities. Google is so nearly ubiquitous now it is easy to forget they are also a commercial company. At some point, a

[GOAL] Re: Chemistry and the Green Door

2012-07-13 Thread Jean-Claude Guédon
I agree with Jan in the part of his intervention that I kept below. I should have said that researchers, in looking for literature, should find themselves naturally and quickly led to repositories (and OA journals). That is where the real OA advantage would begin to show up. We are far from this.

[GOAL] Re: Google's role in sustaining the public good to research parallel to developments in open access?

2012-07-13 Thread Les A Carr
It is easy to forget that they are a commercial company and not an official part of the web architecture. However, they are only a commercial company, and just one of the myriad web indexers that account for about 50% of the visits to any OA repository. They have contributed significant public

[GOAL] Challenging the system [was Re: Re: Reaching for the Reachable]

2012-07-13 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Alma Swan a.s...@talk21.com wrote: Yes, EOS is on board. -- *From:* Jean-Claude Guédon jean.claude.gue...@umontreal.ca *To:* goal@eprints.org *Sent:* Friday, 13 July 2012, 15:19 *Subject:* [GOAL] Re: Reaching for the Reachable