Re: IBM complementary tools

2008-01-16 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 01/10/2008 at 10:44 AM, Gerhard Postpischil [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Or that Marty insisted on running Roscoe with TIME=1440, Cramer, not Goetz. (Marty dared Shmuel/Seymour to do something about it No, he just said that they'd be done before I had the code in place

Re: IBM complementary tools

2008-01-10 Thread John P Kalinich
Gerhardf Postpischil of the IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 01/09/2008 02:41:34 PM: Anton Britz wrote: Is anybody using these tools and is this not unfair business practice.. Giving away software in order to KILL other software vendors ? Back in the sixties

Re: IBM complementary tools

2008-01-10 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
John P Kalinich wrote: Here is an article by the founder of ADR, the company that sued IBM. http://www.softwarehistory.org/history/Goetz1.html You're correct - I was having a senior moment, thinking ADR, but writing AMS (perhaps because I had just exchanged mail related to AMS a bit

Re: IBM complementary tools

2008-01-10 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:06:41 +0900, Timothy Sipples [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... For the record, Session Manager for z/OS supports TN3270E. It's the much older Tivoli Netview Access Services (NVAS) product that doesn't. ... I'll take your word on the Tn3270E support, but I think your comment

Re: IBM complementary tools

2008-01-09 Thread Thomas Kern
I would like to see a free IBM Session Manager and a Workload Simulator. Giving away software isn't usually deemed to be UNFAIR. Trying to kill off your competition is STANDARD business practice. Now if they do both unequally, such as offer you the session manager but not the workload simulator

Re: IBM complementary tools

2008-01-09 Thread Ira Broussard
I think you are confusing complementary (serving to fill out or complete) with complimentary (given free). Regards, Ira In a message dated 1/9/2008 11:52:10 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, In Kathy Tyrrell's presentation at Share... Session Number 1020 on the

Re: IBM complementary tools

2008-01-09 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
Anton Britz wrote: Is anybody using these tools and is this not unfair business practice.. Giving away software in order to KILL other software vendors ? Back in the sixties American Management Systems sued IBM for giving away free software, mainly CRBE, thus undercutting sales of ROSCOE.

Re: IBM complementary tools

2008-01-09 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 13:33:41 EST, Ira Broussard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you are confusing complementary (serving to fill out or complete) with complimentary (given free). ... And being the world's worst speller, I would have made the same mistake. If I were cynical I might even

Re: IBM complementary tools

2008-01-09 Thread Ed Gould
On Jan 9, 2008, at 3:01 PM, Patrick O'Keefe wrote: - SNIP- And being the world's worst speller, I would have made the same mistake. If I were cynical I might even think the name of the session was intended to be

Re: IBM complementary tools

2008-01-09 Thread Timothy Sipples
The products mentioned: CICS Batch Application Control http://www-306.ibm.com/software/htp/cics/bac/ Session Manager for z/OS http://www-306.ibm.com/software/htp/cics/smanag/ Workload Simulator for z/OS http://www-306.ibm.com/software/awdtools/workloadsimulator/ CICS VSAM Transparency