Re: [LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98

2005-09-21 Thread J & K Sindberg


Glen,

If in fact you are correct that "there are a lot
of users still on Windows 98", then it behooves
Millinnia to continue to keep Legacy compatible.
It should not be difficult as Millinnia had earlier
versions that were compatible.  This update from
version 5 to 6 is not a major change, just a few
added features and minor cosmetics.

Legacy does have major bugs.  We see too
many reports of freezing.  While some reports
may be do to dirty PCs, IMHO, most are do to
incompatibility between the PC and Legacy,
due to Legacy's coding.

I am confident that Millennia will clean up
some of the bugs.  I would hope they work
more on cleaning, than on new features for
a while.  It hurts to see such an excellent
program get so many justified complaints.

JimS
If you calculate your power to be less
than that of the opponent, then strengthen
your defense.
Time flys like an arrow.
Fruit flys like a banana.

Glen Ballard wrote:

Just a question:

How fair is it to expect Legacy to support an OS that is 7 years old and
there are 3 OS' since?

I do understand there are a lot of users still on Windows 98, but
realistically, how long can we expect them to support it?

Just curious.

Glen

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 5:21 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98

Folks,

I spoke too soon. After some offline correspondence with Patricia, I tried
some features of V6 with Firefox, Thunderbird, and MS Word also running (as
well as all the other background stuff that that wants to run from startup
and I haven't already disabled). Legacy froze while using the Research
Guidance feature. I got no error messages, but the only way to free my
system was Ctrl+Alt+Del and "End task" on the Legacy process. For me, this
isn't necessarily a show stopper because of the way I typically use Legacy.
However, I can definitely understand why some people might feel that it is.

For over 30 years in the computer biz, my philosophy has always been "if it
aint broke...". I've been putting off an upgrade to XP because nothing in my
Win98 system was "broke", but this might provide a little more impetus.
Legacy, itself,  may not be "broke", but I saw no caveat about needing XP
before I purchased V6 deluxe. I would certainly hope that the Legacy
developers give this problem some serious consideration.

Ed Lawler

Ed Lawler  spoke thusly:

I'm running Win98SE on a PIII, 512MB and I've seen none of the 
reported operating system related problems with V6. Can't say as I've 
stressed it, though.


Ed Lawler






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RE: [LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98

2005-09-13 Thread John R. Bayle
Glen wrote:

> How fair is it to expect Legacy to support an OS that is 7 years old and
> there are 3 OS' since?
> 
> I do understand there are a lot of users still on Windows 98, but
> realistically, how long can we expect them to support it?

I think it's very fair.  First of all Microsoft supports Win 98, not
Millennia and I think they've kinda dropped it now.  But as long
as the Millennia uses the part of the Application Program Interface
(API) that is supported by Windows 98, then Legacy should run
on Win 98 and all subsequent versions, unless Microsoft decides
not to support the old API on a new release of their OS.

   jr

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Re: [LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98

2005-09-13 Thread John R. Bayle
Shirley wrote:

> Staying with old OS is like driving an old car.  It works fine, until
> something breaks down.  Then spare parts are hard to find and most
mechanics
> won't know how to fix it.

Well your experience is very different than mine.  Until recently I drove a
12
year old car.  I was able to take it to the mechanic and get it fixed fine.
They had no trouble getting parts.  Same with Old OS IMO.

  jr

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Re: [LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98

2005-09-12 Thread Wm Voss

And you can't imagine the will required to hold our tongues.  .  .

Wm Voss

LegacySupport wrote:


Shirley,

Yes, we have beta testers and translators using Win98, Win98SE and Win98ME
as well as Windows 2000 and Windows XP Home and Windows XP Pro, both SP1 and
SP2

Thanks for using Legacy.

Sherry
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York Anderson
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 8:49 AM
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98

I agree that it would be unfair to expect Legacy to support Windows 98.  I
personally would rather have them spend their resources and effort on fixing
bugs and adding some of the enhancements that are so important to users.

I wonder if any of the Beta testers of V6 used Windows 98?



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RE: [LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98

2005-09-12 Thread LegacySupport
 Shirley,

Yes, we have beta testers and translators using Win98, Win98SE and Win98ME
as well as Windows 2000 and Windows XP Home and Windows XP Pro, both SP1 and
SP2

Thanks for using Legacy.

Sherry
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We are changing the world of genealogy!

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Thanks.
  

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York Anderson
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 8:49 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98

I agree that it would be unfair to expect Legacy to support Windows 98.  I
personally would rather have them spend their resources and effort on fixing
bugs and adding some of the enhancements that are so important to users.

I wonder if any of the Beta testers of V6 used Windows 98?



Shirley 

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RE: [LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98

2005-09-12 Thread Patricia
I too ran a performance graph and noticed the same thing. Every time I
opened another window in Legacy, the graph shot up to the top, then
right down again. I thought that was what was causing the run-time
messages I was getting. It might be a clue as to what is causing the
problems on Win98SE.
Patricia
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98


Hi Ed,

I have XP Home with SP2 and Intel Celeron CPU 2.40Ghz. Everything runs
OK 
but out of interest I ran the performance graph for a while whilst
running 
V6 and there is a terrific spike in CPU usage when going to the
Individual's 
Information page from Family View.

There are always spikes when starting something usually around 70%  but
this 
was reaching 92% at times.

Ron Ferguson


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- Original Message - 
From: "Ed Lawler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: 12 September 2005 13:20
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98


> Folks,
>
> I spoke too soon. After some offline correspondence with Patricia, I 
> tried
> some features of V6 with Firefox, Thunderbird, and MS Word also
running 
> (as well as all the other background stuff that that wants to run from

> startup and I haven't already disabled). Legacy froze while using the 
> Research Guidance feature. I got no error messages, but the only way
to 
> free my system was Ctrl+Alt+Del and "End task" on the Legacy process.
For 
> me, this isn't necessarily a show stopper because of the way I
typically 
> use Legacy. However, I can definitely understand why some people might

> feel that it is.



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[LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98

2005-09-12 Thread Don Cook
This question is getting enough chatter to indicate that it is an issue, 
perhaps even a problem, to many users/buyers of Legacy. A couple of points:

1)  Let's realize that there is a difference between Windows 98 and 98SE. The 
latter handles memory management, swapping, etc. much better. Some have 
suggested that the problem lies with Windows 98 (or 98SE). This wouldn't 
surprise me but does make one wonder why did it not come out during 
beta-testing.

2)  Is anyone hearing anything from Millennia about this? Are they aware of the 
issue and if so are they addressing it or just ignoring it? Or, are they still 
out of town?

Don

- Original Message - 
From: "Elizabeth Cunningham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98

> Does Legacy v6 work on Windows 98 or not?  I have seen a few adverse 
> comments: does anyone have Windows 98 where it is working well?  Windows 
> 98 is what I use, and I will not be upgrading anytime soon.

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Re: [LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98

2005-09-12 Thread Don Cook
This question is getting enough chatter to indicate that it is an issue, 
perhaps even a problem, to many users/buyers of Legacy. A couple of points:

1)  Let's realize that there is a difference between Windows 98 and 98SE. The 
latter handles memory management, swapping, etc. much better. Some have 
suggested that the problem lies with Windows 98 (or 98SE). This wouldn't 
surprise me but does make one wonder why did it not come out during 
beta-testing.

2)  Is anyone hearing anything from Millennia about this? Are they aware of the 
issue and if so are they addressing it or just ignoring it? Or, are they still 
out of town?

Don

- Original Message - 
From: "Elizabeth Cunningham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98


> Does Legacy v6 work on Windows 98 or not?  I have seen a few adverse 
> comments: does anyone have Windows 98 where it is working well?  Windows 
> 98 is what I use, and I will not be upgrading anytime soon.
> 
>  Elizabeth C

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Re: [LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98

2005-09-12 Thread Herbert Palm
Anybody wanting to use Legacy 6 on a Windows ME or earlier Windows 
versions, you might want to visit these two sites and read very 
important information for yourself!


http://aumha.org/win4/a/resource.php

and

http://www.mytechsupport.ca/support/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2938

The gist of what you will read there is that due to its resource 
limitations of just 64K of memory resources each for anything of a 
graphical nature (GDI - Graphical Device Interface) and User Resources 
(used by applications as opened) are limited "Heaps", yes, that is what 
they are called,  and CANNOT BE INCREASED IN SIZE, regardless how much 
RAM you have installed in the computer.  Their size is limited due to 
backwards compatibility with older 16 bit programs.


Anne Hollingshead wrote:


I kept WIN 98 because it had taken me so long to get used to it.

Running Legacy 6 on a Windows 98(SE) computer can be done provided you 
don't stress the system!  There may be other Legacy 6 scenarios that 
will crash Legacy outright.


Last night I went all the way through the process to View a Descendency 
Report.  As each of several windows opened the GDI resources took a 
small hit decreasing to a mere 33% of available resources.


If you have other applications already open or open them AFTER loading 
Legacy 6 you can expect a Run Time Error when the GDI resources 
literally decrease to 1%.  That's what happened when I opened my word 
processor after the Despondency Report was on the screen.  Loading the 
word processor first crashed Legacy6 - Run Time Error - about 3/4 way 
though opening up windows toward viewing the Descendency Report.


At no time was there ever a concern with other system resources such as 
User Resources, main memory used by the kernel, etc.  It was the lack of 
GDI resources that crashed Legacy 6.


Note:  Good old Norton "System Information" provided the resource 
percentages.



What would I need to change to get LEGACY 6 to work ?

Probably YES.  Windows XP, based on the NT kernel, doesn't have the 64K 
heap limitation.



Would more memory be enough ?/

No. More memory wouldn't help a Windows 98(SE) system. (Remember, the 
64K limitation cannot be overcome.)


The computer I used for the above test and results was on a Pentium II,  
350MHZ processor with 256M of RAM.  Sure, a faster processor would have 
speeded thing up but would NOT solve the resources limitations.


From technical writings I learned that Windows 98SE could actually slow 
down with more than 384 MEGs of RAM, so the optimum number is 256MEGs 
since 384 is not an attainable number due to RAM chip configurations.


Computer speed is actually a direct result to processor speed.  After a 
computer uses up installed RAM, the dynamic swap file on the hard disk 
is used as sort of an extension of real memory.  Using the swap file for 
writing bits and bytes is slower than writing to real RAM but unless you 
have very sophisticated timing instruments, I dare say the difference in 
speed is mostly imaginary.  Increase the processor speed and things 
begin to FLY!



I have

Operating System   System Model
Windows 98 SE (build 4.10.)
Processor a   Main Circuit Board b
2.60 gigahertz Intel Pentium 4
8 kilobyte primary memory cache
512 kilobyte secondary memory cache   Board: ASUSTeK Computer INC. P4S800
REV 1.xx
Bus Clock: 200 megahertz
BIOS: Award Software, Inc. ASUS P4S800 ACPI BIOS Revision 1004 07/09/2003
Drives   Memory Modules c,d
120.00 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity
99.98 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space



Your system is way more powerful (and faster) than my old desktop but 
the limiting factor in all of this is still Windows 98SE.


Hope this help.

Herb.



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RE: [LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98

2005-09-12 Thread Glen Ballard
Ed,

It wasn't that you were not clear.  I was just curious and wanted to know
other's sentiments as to how long Millennia is expected to support older
OS's.  I guess I should have stated that a little more clearly.  

I still have Win98SE on an older computer (PIII/550 - 512 MB ram)at home
just for testing of other software.  However, I have switched to XP for my
main OS.  I have a Sony laptop with XP sp2, a Centrino processor running at
1.8 GHz and 512MB RAM and am having no technical problems with Legacy and
many other apps running together.

With the thousands of possible hardware / driver combinations for today's
computers and older flavors of PC's, it is hard to track down issues with
older OS's and maintain good functionality with the newer OS's.  

Glen



-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Lawler
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 9:13 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98

Maybe I didn't phrase it corectly. I wasn't asking for support of old
releases per se. What I do expect, however, is clear, prior noticifation
that it *isn't* tested or supported on a particular release - especially one
that *many* people still run. Or to phrase it differently, that it was only
tested on a particular release. After all, not everyone can/will spend
potentially $100 or more for an OS upgrade if what they currently have is
working (not to mention the grief in actually updating
- third party software, etc. which also may cost significant $$$). I know
you can get XP cheaper after rebates, but "cheap" is a relative term. They
don't call them M$ for nothing. In my case, I already have the upgrade to XP
Home sitting in it's box next to my PC. Frankly, I've been putting off the
upgrade due to the grief factor. I fully realize that my PC is "old" in PC
years, but it's been working fine and, up to now, I have had absolutely no
reason to change anything.

At any rate, either there was no notification about potential problems with
Legacy V6 on Win98, or I missed it. If Millennia decides not to support
Win98, just tell us so that we, too, can make educated decisions before we
spend the money.

Ed Lawler

Glen Ballard  spoke thusly:
> Just a question:
> 
> How fair is it to expect Legacy to support an OS that is 7 years old 
> and there are 3 OS' since?
> 
> I do understand there are a lot of users still on Windows 98, but 
> realistically, how long can we expect them to support it?
> 
> Just curious.
> 
> Glen

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Re: [LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98

2005-09-12 Thread Ed Lawler
Maybe I didn't phrase it corectly. I wasn't asking for support of old 
releases per se. What I do expect, however, is clear, prior noticifation 
that it *isn't* tested or supported on a particular release - especially 
one that *many* people still run. Or to phrase it differently, that it 
was only tested on a particular release. After all, not everyone 
can/will spend potentially $100 or more for an OS upgrade if what they 
currently have is working (not to mention the grief in actually updating 
- third party software, etc. which also may cost significant $$$). I 
know you can get XP cheaper after rebates, but "cheap" is a relative 
term. They don't call them M$ for nothing. In my case, I already have 
the upgrade to XP Home sitting in it's box next to my PC. Frankly, I've 
been putting off the upgrade due to the grief factor. I fully realize 
that my PC is "old" in PC years, but it's been working fine and, up to 
now, I have had absolutely no reason to change anything.


At any rate, either there was no notification about potential problems 
with Legacy V6 on Win98, or I missed it. If Millennia decides not to 
support Win98, just tell us so that we, too, can make educated decisions 
before we spend the money.


Ed Lawler

Glen Ballard  spoke thusly:

Just a question:

How fair is it to expect Legacy to support an OS that is 7 years old and
there are 3 OS' since?

I do understand there are a lot of users still on Windows 98, but
realistically, how long can we expect them to support it?

Just curious.

Glen


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RE: [LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98

2005-09-12 Thread Evert van Dijken
Yes, one of our translators is still using windows 98 SE and has some
problems running legacy 6, that's why we did some testing the last couple of
days to see what's still possible on a windows 98 SE system and what's not.
Evert 

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Shirley York
Anderson
Verzonden: maandag 12 september 2005 17:49
Aan: [email protected]
Onderwerp: Re: [LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98

I agree that it would be unfair to expect Legacy to support Windows 98.  I
personally would rather have them spend their resources and effort on fixing
bugs and adding some of the enhancements that are so important to users.

I wonder if any of the Beta testers of V6 used Windows 98?

Most major software developers don't support Windows 98 on their recent
versions.  Last year my new computer came with Windows XP and I had to buy a
lot of software upgrades, I couldn't just reinstall the ones I had been
using on Windows 98.

It's not pleasant to go through that kind of change process and it can be a
bit expensive, but it is the reality of the computer world today.

Staying with old OS is like driving an old car.  It works fine, until
something breaks down.  Then spare parts are hard to find and most mechanics
won't know how to fix it.

>How fair is it to expect Legacy to support an OS that is 7 years old 
>and there are 3 OS' since?

>I do understand there are a lot of users still on Windows 98, but 
>realistically, how long can we expect them to support it?

Shirley 


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Re: [LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98

2005-09-12 Thread Shirley York Anderson
I agree that it would be unfair to expect Legacy to support Windows 98.  I 
personally would rather have them spend their resources and effort on fixing 
bugs and adding some of the enhancements that are so important to users.


I wonder if any of the Beta testers of V6 used Windows 98?

Most major software developers don't support Windows 98 on their recent 
versions.  Last year my new computer came with Windows XP and I had to buy a 
lot of software upgrades, I couldn't just reinstall the ones I had been 
using on Windows 98.


It's not pleasant to go through that kind of change process and it can be a 
bit expensive, but it is the reality of the computer world today.


Staying with old OS is like driving an old car.  It works fine, until 
something breaks down.  Then spare parts are hard to find and most mechanics 
won't know how to fix it.


How fair is it to expect Legacy to support an OS that is 7 years old and 
there are 3 OS' since?


I do understand there are a lot of users still on Windows 98, but 
realistically, how long can we expect them to support it?


Shirley 



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RE: [LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98

2005-09-12 Thread Evert van Dijken
It runs on some windows 98 SE machines.
We did some tests this afternoon (Dutch translation group).
At first I got an error 7 (memory problem), after changing video cards (from
32 MB to 64 MB) this problem didn't occur anymore.
My system:
cpu P3 500 Mhz
256 MB RAM
Geforce 2 MX 400 64 MB (most recent driver)
Maxtor 80 GB Hard Disk
windows 98 SE (all updates)
I had Legacy and Word open, connected to the internet, Virusscanner running.
I opened Split Screen, made a Possible Problems Report (Split Screen still
open) and clicke on Edit Marriage and Edit Husband (at this point a got an
Error 7 with the 32 MB video card), now it was ok.
So I think it's possible to install Legacy on an windows 98 SE OS but not
with the specifications as stated on the Millennia website.
I don't believe it will run on an windows 95 computer but cannot test this
because I still have this OS but not installed on a computer.
Evert

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Verzonden: maandag 12 september 2005 17:22
Aan: [email protected]
Onderwerp: Re: [LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98

I wouldn't be concerned if they did not support Windows 98 with the new
Version 6. I am concerned that they ADVERTISE that it will work with Windows
98 if it is having/causing problems when running in that OS.

Theoretically they should have one or more machines in their software
testing program that have Windows 98 installed so that obvious
incompatibilities can be found.

Brian Kelly
Rockland, ON

Glen Ballard wrote:

> Just a question:
> 
> How fair is it to expect Legacy to support an OS that is 7 years old 
> and there are 3 OS' since?
> 
> I do understand there are a lot of users still on Windows 98, but 
> realistically, how long can we expect them to support it?
> 
> Just curious.
> 
> Glen

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RE: [LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98

2005-09-12 Thread Jim Terry
Glen,

As long as Microsoft makes the Service Packs, MDAC 2.8 update and Jet
Service Pack available for older OS's like Win 95 and Win 98

Believe it or not, as recently as two years ago I had a question about
running Legacy on Win 3.11!

Jim Terry
Webmaster
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Ballard
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 7:52 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98

Just a question:

How fair is it to expect Legacy to support an OS that is 7 years old and
there are 3 OS' since?

I do understand there are a lot of users still on Windows 98, but
realistically, how long can we expect them to support it?

Just curious.

Glen 

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Re: [LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98

2005-09-12 Thread BE Kelly
I wouldn't be concerned if they did not support Windows 98 with 
the new Version 6. I am concerned that they ADVERTISE that it 
will work with Windows 98 if it is having/causing problems when 
running in that OS.


Theoretically they should have one or more machines in their 
software testing program that have Windows 98 installed so that 
obvious incompatibilities can be found.


Brian Kelly
Rockland, ON

Glen Ballard wrote:


Just a question:

How fair is it to expect Legacy to support an OS that is 7 years old and
there are 3 OS' since?

I do understand there are a lot of users still on Windows 98, but
realistically, how long can we expect them to support it?

Just curious.

Glen


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RE: [LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98

2005-09-12 Thread Evert van Dijken
If Millennia state on their website that legacy 6 will run on windows
95/98/ME/XP than it's fair to expect it runs on those OS, without much
problems.
Evert 

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Glen Ballard
Verzonden: maandag 12 september 2005 16:52
Aan: [email protected]
Onderwerp: RE: [LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98

Just a question:

How fair is it to expect Legacy to support an OS that is 7 years old and
there are 3 OS' since?

I do understand there are a lot of users still on Windows 98, but
realistically, how long can we expect them to support it?

Just curious.

Glen

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Lawler
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 5:21 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98

Folks,

I spoke too soon. After some offline correspondence with Patricia, I tried
some features of V6 with Firefox, Thunderbird, and MS Word also running (as
well as all the other background stuff that that wants to run from startup
and I haven't already disabled). Legacy froze while using the Research
Guidance feature. I got no error messages, but the only way to free my
system was Ctrl+Alt+Del and "End task" on the Legacy process. For me, this
isn't necessarily a show stopper because of the way I typically use Legacy.
However, I can definitely understand why some people might feel that it is.

For over 30 years in the computer biz, my philosophy has always been "if it
aint broke...". I've been putting off an upgrade to XP because nothing in my
Win98 system was "broke", but this might provide a little more impetus.
Legacy, itself,  may not be "broke", but I saw no caveat about needing XP
before I purchased V6 deluxe. I would certainly hope that the Legacy
developers give this problem some serious consideration.

Ed Lawler

Ed Lawler  spoke thusly:
> I'm running Win98SE on a PIII, 512MB and I've seen none of the 
> reported operating system related problems with V6. Can't say as I've 
> stressed it, though.
> 
> Ed Lawler
> 
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Re: [LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98

2005-09-12 Thread Wm Voss
The point is not that they should support old systems, rather that they 
have not been up front with the demands of the new version -- the system 
requirement page still indicates that Win95 and 64 RAM is adequate for 
the program's operation.


Wm Voss

Glen Ballard wrote:


Just a question:

How fair is it to expect Legacy to support an OS that is 7 years old and
there are 3 OS' since?

I do understand there are a lot of users still on Windows 98, but
realistically, how long can we expect them to support it?

Just curious.

Glen

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Lawler
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 5:21 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98

Folks,

I spoke too soon. After some offline correspondence with Patricia, I tried
some features of V6 with Firefox, Thunderbird, and MS Word also running (as
well as all the other background stuff that that wants to run from startup
and I haven't already disabled). Legacy froze while using the Research
Guidance feature. I got no error messages, but the only way to free my
system was Ctrl+Alt+Del and "End task" on the Legacy process. For me, this
isn't necessarily a show stopper because of the way I typically use Legacy.
However, I can definitely understand why some people might feel that it is.

For over 30 years in the computer biz, my philosophy has always been "if it
aint broke...". I've been putting off an upgrade to XP because nothing in my
Win98 system was "broke", but this might provide a little more impetus.
Legacy, itself,  may not be "broke", but I saw no caveat about needing XP
before I purchased V6 deluxe. I would certainly hope that the Legacy
developers give this problem some serious consideration.

Ed Lawler

Ed Lawler  spoke thusly:
 

I'm running Win98SE on a PIII, 512MB and I've seen none of the 
reported operating system related problems with V6. Can't say as I've 
stressed it, though.


Ed Lawler

   


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RE: [LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98

2005-09-12 Thread Glen Ballard
Just a question:

How fair is it to expect Legacy to support an OS that is 7 years old and
there are 3 OS' since?

I do understand there are a lot of users still on Windows 98, but
realistically, how long can we expect them to support it?

Just curious.

Glen

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Lawler
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 5:21 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98

Folks,

I spoke too soon. After some offline correspondence with Patricia, I tried
some features of V6 with Firefox, Thunderbird, and MS Word also running (as
well as all the other background stuff that that wants to run from startup
and I haven't already disabled). Legacy froze while using the Research
Guidance feature. I got no error messages, but the only way to free my
system was Ctrl+Alt+Del and "End task" on the Legacy process. For me, this
isn't necessarily a show stopper because of the way I typically use Legacy.
However, I can definitely understand why some people might feel that it is.

For over 30 years in the computer biz, my philosophy has always been "if it
aint broke...". I've been putting off an upgrade to XP because nothing in my
Win98 system was "broke", but this might provide a little more impetus.
Legacy, itself,  may not be "broke", but I saw no caveat about needing XP
before I purchased V6 deluxe. I would certainly hope that the Legacy
developers give this problem some serious consideration.

Ed Lawler

Ed Lawler  spoke thusly:
> I'm running Win98SE on a PIII, 512MB and I've seen none of the 
> reported operating system related problems with V6. Can't say as I've 
> stressed it, though.
> 
> Ed Lawler
> 
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Re: [LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98

2005-09-12 Thread Ed Lawler

Ron,

On Win98SE (old 550MHz PIII), Legacy's CPU usage spiked at 83% when 
opening Individual's Information from Family View. Overall CPU usage 
went to 97%. After the screen was displayed, Legacy went to 0% and 
overall went down to 6% (4% of which is due to the process explorer 
program that I'm running). Actually, overall CPU usage spiked at 100% 
when starting Legacy. I don't see CPU spikes as problems unless high 
usage become continual. In fact, even continued high CPU usage just 
means we're getting our money's worth, right? :)


I don't expect XP would be less CPU intensive than 98. I have it, but I 
*really* don't want to upgrade. The only thing that would spur me to do 
it at once is a massive security exposure that M$ would refuse to fix in 
Win98. But at this point, if there is to be a massive security exposure, 
I expect it would be in XP.


Ed

Ron Ferguson  spoke thusly:

Hi Ed,

I have XP Home with SP2 and Intel Celeron CPU 2.40Ghz. Everything
runs OK but out of interest I ran the performance graph for a while
whilst running V6 and there is a terrific spike in CPU usage when
going to the Individual's Information page from Family View.

There are always spikes when starting something usually around 70%
but this was reaching 92% at times.

Ron Ferguson 

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- Original Message - From: "Ed Lawler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:
 Sent: 12 September 2005
13:20 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98



Folks,

I spoke too soon. After some offline correspondence with Patricia,
I tried some features of V6 with Firefox, Thunderbird, and MS Word
also running (as well as all the other background stuff that that
wants to run from startup and I haven't already disabled). Legacy
froze while using the Research Guidance feature. I got no error
messages, but the only way to free my system was Ctrl+Alt+Del and
"End task" on the Legacy process. For me, this isn't necessarily a
show stopper because of the way I typically use Legacy. However, I
can definitely understand why some people might feel that it is.





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Re: [LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98

2005-09-12 Thread Laurence E Stephenson
On 12/09/05, Ron Ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Ed,
> 
> I have XP Home with SP2 and Intel Celeron CPU 2.40Ghz. Everything runs OK
> but out of interest I ran the performance graph for a while whilst running
> V6 and there is a terrific spike in CPU usage when going to the Individual's
> Information page from Family View.
> 
> There are always spikes when starting something usually around 70%  but this
> was reaching 92% at times.
> 
> Ron Ferguson
> 
I did the same test as Ron I have XP SP2 on pentium 2
I ran V6 on opening the information page from family view  the graph showed 87%
The same test on V5 ran 33%

I have not had any problems yet though

-- 
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 Butcher..Stroud, Gloucestershire, England.>1856
 Fortune..Berwickshire,
Scotland>1858
 Garlick...Liverpool, Lancashire, England.>1863
 Mee...Kilflyn, Limerick, Ireland
(Palatine)>1884
 PayneWashingborough, Lincolnshire, England>1863
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Re: [LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98

2005-09-12 Thread Ron Ferguson

Hi Ed,

I have XP Home with SP2 and Intel Celeron CPU 2.40Ghz. Everything runs OK 
but out of interest I ran the performance graph for a while whilst running 
V6 and there is a terrific spike in CPU usage when going to the Individual's 
Information page from Family View.


There are always spikes when starting something usually around 70%  but this 
was reaching 92% at times.


Ron Ferguson


For Genealogy, Software and Social visit:
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/
More New, Free, Software Links
Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/Grimshaw/



- Original Message - 
From: "Ed Lawler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: 12 September 2005 13:20
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98



Folks,

I spoke too soon. After some offline correspondence with Patricia, I tried 
some features of V6 with Firefox, Thunderbird, and MS Word also running 
(as well as all the other background stuff that that wants to run from 
startup and I haven't already disabled). Legacy froze while using the 
Research Guidance feature. I got no error messages, but the only way to 
free my system was Ctrl+Alt+Del and "End task" on the Legacy process. For 
me, this isn't necessarily a show stopper because of the way I typically 
use Legacy. However, I can definitely understand why some people might 
feel that it is.




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Re: [LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98

2005-09-12 Thread Ed Lawler

Folks,

I spoke too soon. After some offline correspondence with Patricia, I 
tried some features of V6 with Firefox, Thunderbird, and MS Word also 
running (as well as all the other background stuff that that wants to 
run from startup and I haven't already disabled). Legacy froze while 
using the Research Guidance feature. I got no error messages, but the 
only way to free my system was Ctrl+Alt+Del and "End task" on the Legacy 
process. For me, this isn't necessarily a show stopper because of the 
way I typically use Legacy. However, I can definitely understand why 
some people might feel that it is.


For over 30 years in the computer biz, my philosophy has always been "if 
it aint broke...". I've been putting off an upgrade to XP because 
nothing in my Win98 system was "broke", but this might provide a little 
more impetus. Legacy, itself,  may not be "broke", but I saw no caveat 
about needing XP before I purchased V6 deluxe. I would certainly hope 
that the Legacy developers give this problem some serious consideration.


Ed Lawler

Ed Lawler  spoke thusly:
I'm running Win98SE on a PIII, 512MB and I've seen none of the reported 
operating system related problems with V6. Can't say as I've stressed 
it, though.


Ed Lawler


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Re: [LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98

2005-09-11 Thread BE Kelly

Elizabeth Cunningham wrote:
Does Legacy v6 work on Windows 98 or not?  I have seen a few adverse 
comments: does anyone have Windows 98 where it is working well?  Windows 
98 is what I use, and I will not be upgrading anytime soon.


Elizabeth C


I am running Windows 98 SE and when I installed and tried to run 
Version 6 I could not because of my video card driver. I kept 
getting a page fault error in the driver. Unfortunately my video 
card is A VOODOO 3 2000 by 3dfx, a company which went out of 
business years ago. The most recent version of the drivers I have 
date from 1999.


I have tried Google and found there are third party drivers for 
that I have downloaded. I will give them a try but in the 
meantime I have other machines that are more modern and I simply 
installed Version 6 on a P4 machine running Windows XP SP2 where 
it runs fine.


Just thought I would warn those with older (ancient) machines 
that Version 6 may have hardware issues even though the stated 
requirements may be met in terms of memory and processor.



Brian Kelly
Rockland, ON
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Re: [LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98

2005-09-11 Thread Anne Hollingshead
I wonder could someone advise me

I know nothing about "memory"

I have my new computer for 12 months.

I kept WIN 98 because it had taken me so long to get used to it.

What would I need to change to get LEGACY 6 to work ?

Would more memory be enough ?/

I have

Operating System   System Model
Windows 98 SE (build 4.10.)
Processor a   Main Circuit Board b
2.60 gigahertz Intel Pentium 4
8 kilobyte primary memory cache
512 kilobyte secondary memory cache   Board: ASUSTeK Computer INC. P4S800
REV 1.xx
Bus Clock: 200 megahertz
BIOS: Award Software, Inc. ASUS P4S800 ACPI BIOS Revision 1004 07/09/2003
Drives   Memory Modules c,d
120.00 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity
99.98 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space

HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4040B [CD-ROM drive]
Generic floppy disk drive (3.5")

Generic IDE hard disk drive (120.00 GB) -- drive 0, No SMART Driver
HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4040B [Hard drive] -- drive 255, rev A300   512
Megabytes Installed Memory

Slot 'DIMM 1' has 512 MB
Slot 'DIMM 2' is Empty
Slot 'DIMM 3' is Empty
  Local Drive Volumes

c: (on drive 0) 39.60 GB 26.25 GB free
d: (on drive 0) 80.40 GB 73.73 GB free

Anne
Melbourne
AUS


- Original Message -
From: "Bert van Kootwijk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98


> I wrote to support following mail this afternoon:
>
> It turns out that the problem is W98 itself. That system is too old to
> handle Legacy V6 correct in all cases. I can also say that the program is
> not good enough to run on W98.
> In Holland we discovered that increasing the Swap-file to min 2 Gb and max
5
> Gb gives less trouble. But still in some occasions the Runtime Error 7
came
> up.
>
> Groeten
>
> Bert van Kootwijk
>
> Homepage:  http://home.hetnet.nl/~vankoot/index.html
> Genealogieen: IJselmonde, Over Betuwe, Gouda-Leiden, West Brabant
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Elizabeth Cunningham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 7:53 PM
> Subject: [LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98
>
>
> > Does Legacy v6 work on Windows 98 or not?  I have seen a few adverse
> > comments: does anyone have Windows 98 where it is working well?  Windows
> > 98 is what I use, and I will not be upgrading anytime soon.
> >
> >  Elizabeth C
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RE: [LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98

2005-09-11 Thread La Nell Shores
I loaded Legacy vs6 on my Win98 laptop and had no problems.  My laptop is
slow but that is not Legacy's fault.  I did delete some extra software that
I don't use regularly to give it some more room.  My database is over 13K
persons, so it takes a lot of space in itself.
La Nell

Subject: [LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98


Does Legacy v6 work on Windows 98 or not?  I have seen a few adverse
comments: does anyone have Windows 98 where it is working well?  Windows
98 is what I use, and I will not be upgrading anytime soon.

 Elizabeth C

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Re: [LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98

2005-09-11 Thread Lewis
There is quite a difference between Windows 98 and Windows 98SE.  My wide 
band modem and router would not work with Windows 98 but works OK with 
Windows 98 SE.


Lewis


- Original Message - 
From: "Ed Lawler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98


I'm running Win98SE on a PIII, 512MB and I've seen none of the reported 
operating system related problems with V6. Can't say as I've stressed it, 
though.


Ed Lawler

Elizabeth Cunningham  spoke thusly:
Does Legacy v6 work on Windows 98 or not?  I have seen a few adverse 
comments: does anyone have Windows 98 where it is working well?  Windows 
98 is what I use, and I will not be upgrading anytime soon.


 Elizabeth C

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Re: [LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98

2005-09-11 Thread Ed Lawler
I'm running Win98SE on a PIII, 512MB and I've seen none of the reported 
operating system related problems with V6. Can't say as I've stressed 
it, though.


Ed Lawler

Elizabeth Cunningham  spoke thusly:
Does Legacy v6 work on Windows 98 or not?  I have seen a few adverse 
comments: does anyone have Windows 98 where it is working well?  Windows 
98 is what I use, and I will not be upgrading anytime soon.


 Elizabeth C

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Re: [LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98

2005-09-11 Thread Bert van Kootwijk
I wrote to support following mail this afternoon:

It turns out that the problem is W98 itself. That system is too old to
handle Legacy V6 correct in all cases. I can also say that the program is
not good enough to run on W98.
In Holland we discovered that increasing the Swap-file to min 2 Gb and max 5
Gb gives less trouble. But still in some occasions the Runtime Error 7 came
up.

Groeten

Bert van Kootwijk

Homepage:  http://home.hetnet.nl/~vankoot/index.html
Genealogieen: IJselmonde, Over Betuwe, Gouda-Leiden, West Brabant

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> Does Legacy v6 work on Windows 98 or not?  I have seen a few adverse
> comments: does anyone have Windows 98 where it is working well?  Windows
> 98 is what I use, and I will not be upgrading anytime soon.
>
>  Elizabeth C
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[LegacyUG] V6 and Windows 98

2005-09-11 Thread Elizabeth Cunningham
Does Legacy v6 work on Windows 98 or not?  I have seen a few adverse 
comments: does anyone have Windows 98 where it is working well?  Windows 
98 is what I use, and I will not be upgrading anytime soon.


Elizabeth C
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