RE: [LIB] Can someone explain the following?!
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 18:31:17 +0100 From: "Avi Cohen Stuart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [LIB] Can someone explain the following?! OK. That I can try! Didn't know that about FAT16... Thanks. Avi. > -Original Message- > From: John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, 11 November, 2007 17:59 > To: Libretto > Subject: RE: [LIB] Can someone explain the following?! > > Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 08:58:15 -0800 (PST) > From: John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: [LIB] Can someone explain the following?! > > Sorry I misread. Your FAT16 (d:) drive needs to follow the > rules of dos installation, has to be located within the first > 2 gigbytes. That is how I've always partitioned even larger > >40GB hard drives for the libretto and never had a problem > with seeing partitions. Why not just make it FAT32? You are using > WIN98 DOS which has no problems with it.:) > > john > > --- Avi Cohen Stuart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 20:44:36 +0100 > > From: "Avi Cohen Stuart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: RE: [LIB] Can someone explain the following?! > > > > Hi John, > > > > partition 1 FAT32 c: > > partition 2 FAT d: > > partition 3 102 MB empt y > > partition 4 logical with nfts > > > > I'm talking about the d: which cannot be accessed and should be > > accessable, even if it is followed by another partition > which is ntfs? > > > > when I remove the 4th partition it works. > > > > Avi. > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Monday, 05 November, 2007 20:38 > > > To: Libretto > > > Subject: Re: [LIB] Can someone explain the > > following?! > > > > > > Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:36:47 -0800 (PST) > > > From: John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Subject: Re: [LIB] Can someone explain the > > following?! > > > > > > hi Avi, > > > > > > win98 does not read ntfs. > > > > > > john > > > > > > --- Avi Cohen Stuart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:18:17 +0100 > > > > From: "Avi Cohen Stuart" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Subject: Can someone explain the following?! > > > > > > > > Case: Libretto 110 > > > > HD: 40 Gb > > > > > > > > First partition: Primary Partition approx 5 GB > > this will be the W2K > > > > root > > > > (FAT32) > > > > Second Partition: Primary Partition approx 2Gb > > this will > > > contain the > > > > Installation files (FAT) I leave 102 Mb empty > > Then I create > > > a Logical > > > > Partition with 1 large NTFS partition > > > > > > > > The partitions I create on my XP Laptop using a > > USB-to-HD converter > > > > thingy (Kama Connect) > > > > > > > > Then I copy the W2K CD to the second partition. > > > > Remove the HD from the USB (on a nice way > > etc...) > > > > > > > > Insert the HD into the libretto > > > > Boot using a Win98 disk > > > > Do a > > > > cd C: > > > > looks OK > > > > cd D: > > > > Abort/Fail/Retry... > > > > > > > > GR!!! > > > > > > > > Go back to the XP > > > > delete the Logical Partition > > > > > > > > Boot again in Win98 > > > > and then I can access the D: driver > > > > > > > > WHY DO I HAVE TO DELETE THE LOGICAL Partiton!? > > > > > > > > Avi. > > > > (yeah, I know, the 40 Gb is probably BIG for the > > bios... > > > but I don't > > > > understand it...) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection > > > around http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection > around http://mail.yahoo.com > > >
RE: [LIB] Can someone explain the following?!
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 08:58:15 -0800 (PST) From: John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [LIB] Can someone explain the following?! Sorry I misread. Your FAT16 (d:) drive needs to follow the rules of dos installation, has to be located within the first 2 gigbytes. That is how I've always partitioned even larger >40GB hard drives for the libretto and never had a problem with seeing partitions. Why not just make it FAT32? You are using WIN98 DOS which has no problems with it.:) john --- Avi Cohen Stuart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 20:44:36 +0100 > From: "Avi Cohen Stuart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: [LIB] Can someone explain the > following?! > > Hi John, > > partition 1 FAT32 c: > partition 2 FAT d: > partition 3 102 MB empt y > partition 4 logical with nfts > > I'm talking about the d: which cannot be accessed > and should be > accessable, even if it is followed by another > partition which is ntfs? > > when I remove the 4th partition it works. > > Avi. > > > -Original Message- > > From: John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, 05 November, 2007 20:38 > > To: Libretto > > Subject: Re: [LIB] Can someone explain the > following?! > > > > Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:36:47 -0800 (PST) > > From: John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [LIB] Can someone explain the > following?! > > > > hi Avi, > > > > win98 does not read ntfs. > > > > john > > > > --- Avi Cohen Stuart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:18:17 +0100 > > > From: "Avi Cohen Stuart" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Subject: Can someone explain the following?! > > > > > > Case: Libretto 110 > > > HD: 40 Gb > > > > > > First partition: Primary Partition approx 5 GB > this will be the W2K > > > root > > > (FAT32) > > > Second Partition: Primary Partition approx 2Gb > this will > > contain the > > > Installation files (FAT) I leave 102 Mb empty > Then I create > > a Logical > > > Partition with 1 large NTFS partition > > > > > > The partitions I create on my XP Laptop using a > USB-to-HD converter > > > thingy (Kama Connect) > > > > > > Then I copy the W2K CD to the second partition. > > > Remove the HD from the USB (on a nice way > etc...) > > > > > > Insert the HD into the libretto > > > Boot using a Win98 disk > > > Do a > > > cd C: > > > looks OK > > > cd D: > > > Abort/Fail/Retry... > > > > > > GR!!! > > > > > > Go back to the XP > > > delete the Logical Partition > > > > > > Boot again in Win98 > > > and then I can access the D: driver > > > > > > WHY DO I HAVE TO DELETE THE LOGICAL Partiton!? > > > > > > Avi. > > > (yeah, I know, the 40 Gb is probably BIG for the > bios... > > but I don't > > > understand it...) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection > > around http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: [LIB] Can someone explain the following?!
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 21:58:37 +0100 From: "Avi Cohen Stuart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [LIB] Can someone explain the following?! Hi Philip, Ok. I can live with it that DOS cannot handle it. My partition scheme was not particualary smart, I agree. In the end it didn't matter as I still get a BSOD with the margi DVD-to-Go with a vanilla W2K or W2K-SP4 or XP-SP2 in stream.sys. I've to get back to IDA Pro with Hex Rays and continue to reverse engineer it... or there is some nasty hard to find bug in the margi driver. (I have the source code...) Does any one know of a Daemon Tool hack that will allow me to use a kernel debugger? I'm using Fathom CD for my DVD emulation currently. Avi. > -Original Message- > From: Philip Nienhuis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, 07 November, 2007 21:30 > To: Libretto > Subject: Re: [LIB] Can someone explain the following?! > > Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:29:19 +0100 > From: Philip Nienhuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [LIB] Can someone explain the following?! > > Hi Avi: > > As far as I understand your questions: > > Avi Cohen Stuart wrote: > > Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:18:17 +0100 > > From: "Avi Cohen Stuart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Can someone explain the following?! > > > > Case: Libretto 110 > > HD: 40 Gb > > > > First partition: Primary Partition approx 5 GB this will be the W2K > > root > > (FAT32) > > Second Partition: Primary Partition approx 2Gb this will > contain the > > Installation files (FAT) I leave 102 Mb empty > > For hibernation? if so, it's probably at the wrong place. > 5 GB + 2 GB = 7 GB; hibernation area should be around 8 GB. > It starts at about 8.35 GB (7.775 GiB). > > > Then I create a Logical Partition with 1 large NTFS partition > > You mean, you first create an extended partition, and then > inside that a logical partition? > > > The partitions I create on my XP Laptop using a USB-to-HD converter > > thingy (Kama Connect) > > > > Then I copy the W2K CD to the second partition. > > Remove the HD from the USB (on a nice way etc...) > > > > Insert the HD into the libretto > > Boot using a Win98 disk > > Do a > > cd C: > > looks OK > > cd D: > > Abort/Fail/Retry... > > Problem is almost certainly that DOS can only use 1 (one) > primary FAT partition with some reliability. > When I tried this myself long time ago, I remember it took > DOS (Win98) a lng time to come up with an error message > while still booting. It just didn't like 2 readable primary > partitions + an extended one. > If you have one of those primary partitions non-readable for > DOS (e.g., > NTFS) you'll have no problems. > It's just DOS's drivers which cannot emulate drive letters > for more than one primary partition. Remember, the extended > partition (where your logical partitions live) is really a > primary partition. > > > GR!!! > > > > Go back to the XP > > delete the Logical Partition > > > > Boot again in Win98 > > and then I can access the D: driver > > > > WHY DO I HAVE TO DELETE THE LOGICAL Partiton!? > > AFAICT, because of limitations of DOS. > > Why not make: > - A 5 GB primary partition > - An extended (in fact, also primary) partition for the rest > of the disk > - Inside the extended partition: >- A logical 2.7 GB for your W2K stuff, extending almost til the > start of the hibernation area >- 100 MB hibernation partition >- Other logical partitions as you see fit >- Then just delete the 100 MB hibernation partition to get rid > of the drive letter it uses. > > Lots of this type of misery stuff has been described in the > archives of the Lib mailing list (use www.webarchive.org to > get to e.g., the technoir archive). > > Philip > > > >
Re: [LIB] Can someone explain the following?!
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:29:19 +0100 From: Philip Nienhuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Can someone explain the following?! Hi Avi: As far as I understand your questions: Avi Cohen Stuart wrote: Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:18:17 +0100 From: "Avi Cohen Stuart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Can someone explain the following?! Case: Libretto 110 HD: 40 Gb First partition: Primary Partition approx 5 GB this will be the W2K root (FAT32) Second Partition: Primary Partition approx 2Gb this will contain the Installation files (FAT) I leave 102 Mb empty For hibernation? if so, it's probably at the wrong place. 5 GB + 2 GB = 7 GB; hibernation area should be around 8 GB. It starts at about 8.35 GB (7.775 GiB). Then I create a Logical Partition with 1 large NTFS partition You mean, you first create an extended partition, and then inside that a logical partition? The partitions I create on my XP Laptop using a USB-to-HD converter thingy (Kama Connect) > Then I copy the W2K CD to the second partition. Remove the HD from the USB (on a nice way etc...) Insert the HD into the libretto Boot using a Win98 disk Do a cd C: looks OK cd D: Abort/Fail/Retry... Problem is almost certainly that DOS can only use 1 (one) primary FAT partition with some reliability. When I tried this myself long time ago, I remember it took DOS (Win98) a lng time to come up with an error message while still booting. It just didn't like 2 readable primary partitions + an extended one. If you have one of those primary partitions non-readable for DOS (e.g., NTFS) you'll have no problems. It's just DOS's drivers which cannot emulate drive letters for more than one primary partition. Remember, the extended partition (where your logical partitions live) is really a primary partition. GR!!! Go back to the XP delete the Logical Partition Boot again in Win98 and then I can access the D: driver WHY DO I HAVE TO DELETE THE LOGICAL Partiton!? AFAICT, because of limitations of DOS. Why not make: - A 5 GB primary partition - An extended (in fact, also primary) partition for the rest of the disk - Inside the extended partition: - A logical 2.7 GB for your W2K stuff, extending almost til the start of the hibernation area - 100 MB hibernation partition - Other logical partitions as you see fit - Then just delete the 100 MB hibernation partition to get rid of the drive letter it uses. Lots of this type of misery stuff has been described in the archives of the Lib mailing list (use www.webarchive.org to get to e.g., the technoir archive). Philip
RE: [LIB] Can someone explain the following?!
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 20:44:36 +0100 From: "Avi Cohen Stuart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [LIB] Can someone explain the following?! Hi John, partition 1 FAT32 c: partition 2 FAT d: partition 3 102 MB empt y partition 4 logical with nfts I'm talking about the d: which cannot be accessed and should be accessable, even if it is followed by another partition which is ntfs? when I remove the 4th partition it works. Avi. > -Original Message- > From: John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, 05 November, 2007 20:38 > To: Libretto > Subject: Re: [LIB] Can someone explain the following?! > > Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:36:47 -0800 (PST) > From: John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [LIB] Can someone explain the following?! > > hi Avi, > > win98 does not read ntfs. > > john > > --- Avi Cohen Stuart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:18:17 +0100 > > From: "Avi Cohen Stuart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Can someone explain the following?! > > > > Case: Libretto 110 > > HD: 40 Gb > > > > First partition: Primary Partition approx 5 GB this will be the W2K > > root > > (FAT32) > > Second Partition: Primary Partition approx 2Gb this will > contain the > > Installation files (FAT) I leave 102 Mb empty Then I create > a Logical > > Partition with 1 large NTFS partition > > > > The partitions I create on my XP Laptop using a USB-to-HD converter > > thingy (Kama Connect) > > > > Then I copy the W2K CD to the second partition. > > Remove the HD from the USB (on a nice way etc...) > > > > Insert the HD into the libretto > > Boot using a Win98 disk > > Do a > > cd C: > > looks OK > > cd D: > > Abort/Fail/Retry... > > > > GR!!! > > > > Go back to the XP > > delete the Logical Partition > > > > Boot again in Win98 > > and then I can access the D: driver > > > > WHY DO I HAVE TO DELETE THE LOGICAL Partiton!? > > > > Avi. > > (yeah, I know, the 40 Gb is probably BIG for the bios... > but I don't > > understand it...) > > > > > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection > around http://mail.yahoo.com > > >
Re: [LIB] Can someone explain the following?!
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:36:47 -0800 (PST) From: John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Can someone explain the following?! hi Avi, win98 does not read ntfs. john --- Avi Cohen Stuart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:18:17 +0100 > From: "Avi Cohen Stuart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Can someone explain the following?! > > Case: Libretto 110 > HD: 40 Gb > > First partition: Primary Partition approx 5 GB this > will be the W2K root > (FAT32) > Second Partition: Primary Partition approx 2Gb this > will contain the > Installation files (FAT) > I leave 102 Mb empty > Then I create a Logical Partition with 1 large NTFS > partition > > The partitions I create on my XP Laptop using a > USB-to-HD converter > thingy (Kama Connect) > > Then I copy the W2K CD to the second partition. > Remove the HD from the USB (on a nice way etc...) > > Insert the HD into the libretto > Boot using a Win98 disk > Do a > cd C: > looks OK > cd D: > Abort/Fail/Retry... > > GR!!! > > Go back to the XP > delete the Logical Partition > > Boot again in Win98 > and then I can access the D: driver > > WHY DO I HAVE TO DELETE THE LOGICAL Partiton!? > > Avi. > (yeah, I know, the 40 Gb is probably BIG for the > bios... but I don't > understand it...) > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
