Re: [Mailman-Developers] mailman / archive-ui / licensing questions

2012-04-08 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Apr 02, 2012, at 08:04 PM, David Jeske wrote: The question i would you BUNDLE another archiver even if the licenses don't match? If you're donating the archiver to the GNU Mailman project, for us to maintain, release, bundle, and develop, then I think that would be a very high hurdle to

Re: [Mailman-Developers] mailman / archive-ui / licensing questions

2012-04-08 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Apr 03, 2012, at 11:58 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: Distributed/pointed to by list.org along with mailman and postorius might be negotiable though :-) Absolutely. I'm committed to making it as easy as possible for an admin to integrate third-party FLOSS archivers with mm3. I don't think

Re: [Mailman-Developers] mailman / archive-ui / licensing questions

2012-04-08 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Apr 03, 2012, at 11:56 PM, David Jeske wrote: If this GPL/S-BSD issue turns out to be a blocker, then I'll just make my own site and maintain (my version) there because I want to release my code S-BSD. Also, there will be *zero* ill-will if you folks want to wrap it up in a GPL license and

Re: [Mailman-Developers] mailman / archive-ui / licensing questions

2012-04-08 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Apr 03, 2012, at 11:21 PM, Bob Puff wrote: I think the majority of MM users will be simply using the RPM that comes with their distro, and there is a real benefit to stuff working right out of the box. This includes the Archiving functions. Distros are of course free to make their own

Re: [Mailman-Developers] mailman / archive-ui / licensing questions

2012-04-08 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Apr 03, 2012, at 09:16 PM, David Jeske wrote: I'd personally like to see a better archiver rolled into an MM2 point release, as well as upcoming MM3 development. (I understand pipermail URL compat would be nice in that case). I'd strongly oppose any change in default archiver for Mailman 2.1.

Re: [Mailman-Developers] mailman / archive-ui / licensing questions

2012-04-08 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Apr 05, 2012, at 05:18 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: I'd like to see a default install provide list owners with at a minimum a choice of public, private or no archives and the archives to be searchable. See also Jeff's first paragraph in comment #1 here:

Re: [Mailman-Developers] mailman / archive-ui / licensing questions

2012-04-08 Thread Blake Winton
On 08-04-12 17:48 , Barry Warsaw wrote: On Apr 02, 2012, at 08:04 PM, David Jeske wrote: The question i would you BUNDLE another archiver even if the licenses don't match? If you're donating the archiver to the GNU Mailman project, for us to maintain, release, bundle, and develop, then I think

Re: [Mailman-Developers] mailman / archive-ui / licensing questions

2012-04-08 Thread Blake Winton
On 08-04-12 19:24 , Mark Sapiro wrote: On 04/08/2012 04:14 PM, Blake Winton wrote: Would it work for everyone if David licensed the archiver to Mailman under the GPLv3+? It won't work for David. See, e.g., http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2012-April/021921.html Well, that's

Re: [Mailman-Developers] mailman / archive-ui / licensing questions

2012-04-08 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 04/08/2012 04:14 PM, Blake Winton wrote: Would it work for everyone if David licensed the archiver to Mailman under the GPLv3+? It won't work for David. See, e.g., http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2012-April/021921.html -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe

Re: [Mailman-Developers] mailman / archive-ui / licensing questions

2012-04-08 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 8:27 AM, Blake Winton bwin...@mozilla.com wrote: On 08-04-12 19:24 , Mark Sapiro wrote: On 04/08/2012 04:14 PM, Blake Winton wrote: Would it work for everyone if David licensed the archiver to Mailman under the GPLv3+? It won't work for David. Well, that's not

Re: [Mailman-Developers] mailman / archive-ui / licensing questions

2012-04-08 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 6:48 AM, Barry Warsaw ba...@list.org wrote: On Apr 02, 2012, at 08:04 PM, David Jeske wrote: Probably the only way I'd change my mind about that is if RMS personally told us that we could still treat the non-copyleft donation the same way we treat all the other code,

Re: [Mailman-Developers] mailman / archive-ui / licensing questions

2012-04-04 Thread Terri Oda
On 12-04-03 11:08 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: So David's program can't be *part* of GNU Mailman without special permission, which I doubt the GNU Project (ie, RMS, AFAIK) will grant (and would require delicate negotations in extreme good humor on our part, based on past experience trying to

Re: [Mailman-Developers] mailman / archive-ui / licensing questions

2012-04-04 Thread David Jeske
This thread is slowing down my coding! :)(it's been really helpful though all, thanks for the many perspectives!) On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 11:19 PM, Terri Oda te...@zone12.com wrote: It occurs to me that it's perfectly reasonable to assume that people who *package* mailman for different

Re: [Mailman-Developers] mailman / archive-ui / licensing questions

2012-04-04 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 3:56 PM, David Jeske dav...@gmail.com wrote: ...this discussion is all just about whether mailman wants to bundle (or reference) near-future updates to this stuff. I was hoping that rather than create my own separate OSS-y website and such for it, I could just hang out

Re: [Mailman-Developers] mailman / archive-ui / licensing questions

2012-04-03 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Mon, Apr 02, 2012 at 08:04:23PM -0700, David Jeske wrote: On Apr 2, 2012 3:07 PM, Terri Oda te...@zone12.com wrote: This agrees with my view of the situation as well. Which leads to the question, is the above approach interesting/viable for Mailman-team? (assuming the code does something

Re: [Mailman-Developers] mailman / archive-ui / licensing questions

2012-04-03 Thread Bob Puff
I think it would be a mistake to bundle any archiver with mailman3. Listing the available archiver options and their features and shortcomings would be a better way to go. -1 I think the majority of MM users will be simply using the RPM that comes with their distro, and there is a real

Re: [Mailman-Developers] mailman / archive-ui / licensing questions

2012-04-03 Thread David Jeske
On Apr 3, 2012 8:14 PM, Bob Puff b...@nleaudio.com wrote: I think it would be a mistake to bundle any archiver with mailman3. Listing the available archiver options and their features and shortcomings would be a better way to go. -1 I think the majority of MM users will be simply using

Re: [Mailman-Developers] mailman / archive-ui / licensing questions

2012-04-03 Thread David Jeske
On Apr 3, 2012 11:58 AM, Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com wrote: The question is would you BUNDLE another archiver even if the licenses don't match? Where could your archiver fit into that sequence of impressions? I'm not entirely sure. I think that it probably couldn't be bundled into

Re: [Mailman-Developers] mailman / archive-ui / licensing questions

2012-04-03 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 1:16 PM, David Jeske dav...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 3, 2012 8:14 PM, Bob Puff b...@nleaudio.com wrote: I think the majority of MM users will be simply using the RPM that comes with their distro, and there is a real benefit to stuff working right out of the box.  This

Re: [Mailman-Developers] mailman / archive-ui / licensing questions

2012-04-03 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 3:58 AM, Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com wrote: From the talk about what it means to be a FSF project at the mailman sprint at pycon I don't think a non-FSF copyright assigned archiver would be bundled into mailman (Core). AFAIK there are no FSF projects, although

Re: [Mailman-Developers] mailman / archive-ui / licensing questions

2012-04-02 Thread Terri Oda
On 03/29/2012 02:27 PM, David Jeske wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Stephen J. Turnbullstep...@xemacs.orgwrote: I would say you should try to retain copyright, and have the Mailman project distribute it with the S-BSD license under the mere aggregation clause of the GPL. This agrees

Re: [Mailman-Developers] mailman / archive-ui / licensing questions

2012-04-02 Thread David Jeske
On Apr 2, 2012 3:07 PM, Terri Oda te...@zone12.com wrote: This agrees with my view of the situation as well. Which leads to the question, is the above approach interesting/viable for Mailman-team? (assuming the code does something awesome that people want) If the question is just would you

Re: [Mailman-Developers] mailman / archive-ui / licensing questions

2012-03-29 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 1:00 PM, David Jeske dav...@gmail.com wrote: I started to talk to one of them about installing CSLA (or MHonArc, or anything really), and realized I should see if you folks are interested in a great bundled archiver, I'm personally interested, but that's not going to