Re: Concerning (Live) CDs
Hi, Murray! On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 21:29:02 +0100 Murray Cumming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Any special purpose distribution will have a small user base and will > therefore be crappy and will lack support. I think we should be > encouraging people to be using mainstream quality distributions. > > I suppose you could adapt another distro, if you just add applications > without changing anything else. > The funny thing is: I _never_ wrote about starting a special purpose distribution! I don't intent to start one! Starting from scratch is foolish (in most cases)! Really funny - but, at least, I understand your concerns now. :-) > > > However, the university outreach project has slightly other goals > > that you can't reach by using a website -- at least, from my point > > of view. But if you like me to stop working on the idea, just say > > so. > > Of course not. > Cool! Thanks. :-) Cheers, Claus -- marketing-list mailing list [email protected] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Concerning (Live) CDs
On Thu, 2005-02-03 at 21:32 +0100, Claus Schwarm wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 13:46:14 +0100 > Murray Cumming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > But "use this crappy distro just because it comes with this particular > > software by default" is not a good argument either. We don't want > > people to experience that lack of support. > > > > Yes, indeed. It would contradict the goal of the project, wouldn't it? > > I just wonder: What makes you think, I -- and all members of the > marketing list who thought the idea could be interesting -- would > not bother about the quality of support and ask a "crappy" distro for > cooperation? > > Well, nevermind. You probably have your reasons. I'm a little bit > disappointed, though. Any special purpose distribution will have a small user base and will therefore be crappy and will lack support. I think we should be encouraging people to be using mainstream quality distributions. I suppose you could adapt another distro, if you just add applications without changing anything else. > > > > I think a website that advertised the software that you care about, > > with help on installing it on whatever distro they have, would be far > > more useful an effective. > > > > Thanks for the suggestion. :-) Unfortunatly, a website is already under > construction. > > In fact, you and me already talked about it in a short 'footnotes > comments' discussion. You said something like "Don't make us enter all > the data, again" and I replied: "Developers won't need to bother about > it." > > It is also already linked in the wiki. [1] I'm sorry. I really have no idea what you are talking about. > However, the university outreach project has slightly other goals > that you can't reach by using a website -- at least, from my point of > view. But if you like me to stop working on the idea, just say so. Of course not. > Claus > > [1] http://live.gnome.org/MarketingTeam_2fLiveCD -- Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com -- marketing-list mailing list [email protected] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Concerning (Live) CDs
Hi, On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 13:46:14 +0100 Murray Cumming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But "use this crappy distro just because it comes with this particular > software by default" is not a good argument either. We don't want > people to experience that lack of support. > Yes, indeed. It would contradict the goal of the project, wouldn't it? I just wonder: What makes you think, I -- and all members of the marketing list who thought the idea could be interesting -- would not bother about the quality of support and ask a "crappy" distro for cooperation? Well, nevermind. You probably have your reasons. I'm a little bit disappointed, though. > > I think a website that advertised the software that you care about, > with help on installing it on whatever distro they have, would be far > more useful an effective. > Thanks for the suggestion. :-) Unfortunatly, a website is already under construction. In fact, you and me already talked about it in a short 'footnotes comments' discussion. You said something like "Don't make us enter all the data, again" and I replied: "Developers won't need to bother about it." It is also already linked in the wiki. [1] However, the university outreach project has slightly other goals that you can't reach by using a website -- at least, from my point of view. But if you like me to stop working on the idea, just say so. Claus [1] http://live.gnome.org/MarketingTeam_2fLiveCD -- marketing-list mailing list [email protected] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Concerning (Live) CDs
On Thu, 2005-02-03 at 14:17 +0100, Claus Schwarm wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 10:31:31 +0100 > Murray Cumming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I'm sure that we don't want to create a GNOME distribution for > > installation. Why aren't any of the existing distributions acceptable? > > > > Sorry. I didn't want to say, existing distributions are not acceptable. > On the other hand, it is difficult for most people to hand over a usual > CD to somebody you hardly know. > > You need good arguments. "This is Linux with lots of cool software." > is seldomly sufficient. But "use this crappy distro just because it comes with this particular software by default" is not a good argument either. We don't want people to experience that lack of support. I think a website that advertised the software that you care about, with help on installing it on whatever distro they have, would be far more useful an effective. > In fact, Windows comes pre-installed and you can > get lots of additional standard software for free (as in beer) already - > some of them OpenSource. > > But: "This is Linux, including the software you'll need for your > studies." might do the trick. > > At least, it will do the trick if one day, you can add "The whole > department (faculty, college) uses it." :-) > > So it basically depends on the distributions if they are willing to add > the additional scientific software to the package - either on a second > CD, or included on the installation or Live CD. > > I'd be glad if we would be able to convince existing distribution to > join and help. I'll try to be more clear in the wiki page(s). -- Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com -- marketing-list mailing list [email protected] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Concerning (Live) CDs
Hi, On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 10:31:31 +0100 Murray Cumming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm sure that we don't want to create a GNOME distribution for > installation. Why aren't any of the existing distributions acceptable? > Sorry. I didn't want to say, existing distributions are not acceptable. On the other hand, it is difficult for most people to hand over a usual CD to somebody you hardly know. You need good arguments. "This is Linux with lots of cool software." is seldomly sufficient. In fact, Windows comes pre-installed and you can get lots of additional standard software for free (as in beer) already - some of them OpenSource. But: "This is Linux, including the software you'll need for your studies." might do the trick. At least, it will do the trick if one day, you can add "The whole department (faculty, college) uses it." :-) So it basically depends on the distributions if they are willing to add the additional scientific software to the package - either on a second CD, or included on the installation or Live CD. I'd be glad if we would be able to convince existing distribution to join and help. I'll try to be more clear in the wiki page(s). Cheers, Claus -- marketing-list mailing list [email protected] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Concerning (Live) CDs
On Thu, 2005-02-03 at 00:41 +0100, c. schwarm wrote: > Hi, > > reading the recent discussion, I had the slight feeling that some things got > mixed up concerning LiveCDs/CDs. > > One part of the discussion is about media files. I considered this a nice > discussion but basically it's the decision of Ubuntu, if there will be > non-free stuff on the CD, right? > > The second part is a _CD_ for the college outreach project. This is > something completely different: It's goal is to distribute GTK/GNOME > applications for scientific use, including a desktop and OS. This, at least, > was my intention when I suggested it. I'm sure that we don't want to create a GNOME distribution for installation. Why aren't any of the existing distributions acceptable? > If, however, I'm the only one with such a feeling, please ignore this mail. > Thanks. :-) -- Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com -- marketing-list mailing list [email protected] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Concerning (Live) CDs
On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 00:41:28 +0100 (MET), c. schwarm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > reading the recent discussion, I had the slight feeling that some things got > mixed up concerning LiveCDs/CDs. > > One part of the discussion is about media files. I considered this a nice > discussion but basically it's the decision of Ubuntu, if there will be > non-free stuff on the CD, right? Well, Ubuntu will let us put whatever we want on there. It is mostly up to them whether a player for it is there or not ;) > The second part is a _CD_ for the college outreach project. This is > something completely different: It's goal is to distribute GTK/GNOME > applications for scientific use, including a desktop and OS. This, at least, > was my intention when I suggested it. My focus right now is something that can be handed out at conferences and to members of the media who want to understand exactly what is going on at the cutting edge of GNOME. A more college-oriented CD would be fine and useful, but isn't my current focus. Perhaps you could write out specific requirements, use cases, and software suggestions for a college CD here: http://live.gnome.org/MarketingTeam_2fLiveCD so we can work on it in the future (near or far, depending on how the more pure 'marketing' one goes?) Luis -- marketing-list mailing list [email protected] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
