Re: [Marxism] Re Trump is woody allen

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President Trump is also a sign of the crisis in the working class.

On Jul 31, 2017 11:45 AM, "Daniel Lindvall" 
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> But isn’t it also a sign of its relative strength that it can find a 3rd,
> 5th, 10th candidate and place in office, while ”we” don’t even have a
> candidate, even in such a time of crisis, not for capitalism, but for the
> working class?
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> 31 juli 2017 kl. 17:31 skrev John Reimann via Marxism <
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> It is a sign of the crisis of US capitalism that they could not
> secure the nomination for candidate they wanted most or the election for
> their perfectsble (to them) second choice.
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Re: [Marxism] Re Trump is woody allen

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I thought just about all banks were money launderers and most successful 
capitalists willing to go to the dark side?

Isn’t this more a difference of image, with Trump cultivating this 
rebelliousness that was precisely what the class needed to get one of their 
elected this time around?

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> 31 juli 2017 kl. 17:31 skrev John Reimann via Marxism 
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> The difference is that he epitomizes a certain narrow mentality
> and lack of concern for social norms, including willingness to move over to
> the "dark side" of their own laws. I am referring to his many years
> functioning as a money laundered for the Russian mafia and probably other
> criminal elements. 

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Re: [Marxism] Re Trump is woody allen

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But isn’t it also a sign of its relative strength that it can find a 3rd, 5th, 
10th candidate and place in office, while ”we” don’t even have a candidate, 
even in such a time of crisis, not for capitalism, but for the working class?

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> 31 juli 2017 kl. 17:31 skrev John Reimann via Marxism 
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> It is a sign of the crisis of US capitalism that they could not
> secure the nomination for candidate they wanted most or the election for
> their perfectsble (to them) second choice.

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[Marxism] Re Trump is woody allen

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In the first place, the US ruling class did not pick Trump. The
overwhelming majority first supported Jeb Bush and then switched to Hillary
Clinton. It is a sign of the crisis of US capitalism that they could not
secure the nomination for candidate they wanted most or the election for
their perfectsble (to them) second choice.

In the second place, I  do agree that Trump is stupid. He is not
particularly successful. I've seen articles showing that if somebody took
the money he inherited and invested it autual find they would have made
more money. The difference is that he epitomizes a certain narrow mentality
and lack of concern for social norms, including willingness to move over to
the "dark side" of their own laws. I am referring to his many years
functioning as a money laundered for the Russian mafia and probably other
criminal elements. This has been the basis for his success, but is also the
basis for his crude, arrogant ignorance, which Noonan sees as stupidity.
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