Re: [Mixxx-devel] Rant about Star Ratings
I've found the stars to be very helpful. I fill my iphone with songs that have no stars. Since about the only interactive thing you can do with music on an iphone/pod is change the rating - might as well be productive while out-n-about. 5 - top notch 4 - very good 3 - ok 2 - remix candidate 1 - delete when i get a chance Once in a while i'll select all the 1 star songs and delete them. When i have some time, i'll re-listen to the 2 star songs for segments i may want to loop for DJ tools, etc... those go into a remix me playlist - then get messed with and bastardized in ableton. I also use iTunes' Smart Playlists (not sure if this is available in the pc version). These are very handy for organizing playlists for import into traktor and what-not. (sorry guys, i'm not using mixxx quite yet). Generally I don't DJ anything below 4 stars (except for remixes/loops - but those get re-rated), and smart playlists make it super easy to organize for sets. I wonder if a 1 star system could be implemented in a skin? I don't know much about the skinning capabilities in mixxx. Anyways - just another take on how 5 stars can be handy. Also I wanted to thank Garth for the posting on enabling 1/2 stars - i've been wanting that - and occasionally i'll see something with a half star rating and couldn't figure out how to do that in itunes. If only i could do that on the iphone... On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:46 AM, Albert Santoni albe...@mixxx.org wrote: Warning: Possible giant troll. Hey guys, I've always had a beef with 5-star ratings in music applications that's turned me off using them. I struggle with the meaning of each rating, and it's always been my hunch that just having a single star column that you can toggle (a la GMail) would be way more convenient. What's the difference between 3, 4 star, and 5 stars? If you rate songs as 1 star (out of 5), why do you even have that in your library? (In Mixxx, you can Remove them.) The mapping from a 5-star system to my imaginary 1-star system would be: 4, 5 stars -- starred 2, 3 stars -- unstarred 1 star -- remove Does anyone actually use all 5 stars? I don't want to rag on Tobias' great work on the star widget. :) If we were go to a 1-star system, we could definitely still use his widget without modification for our external track sources. Thanks, and hopefully someone can set me straight. Albert -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev ___ Mixxx-devel mailing list Mixxx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mixxx-devel -- http://amoebafunk.com http://metameme.org http://apogaea.com -- Beautiful is writing same markup. Internet Explorer 9 supports standards for HTML5, CSS3, SVG 1.1, ECMAScript5, and DOM L2 L3. Spend less time writing and rewriting code and more time creating great experiences on the web. Be a part of the beta today http://p.sf.net/sfu/msIE9-sfdev2dev___ Mixxx-devel mailing list Mixxx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mixxx-devel
Re: [Mixxx-devel] Rant about Star Ratings
On 15 November 2010 07:46, Albert Santoni albe...@mixxx.org wrote: Warning: Possible giant troll. :) Hey guys, I've always had a beef with 5-star ratings in music applications that's turned me off using them. I struggle with the meaning of each rating, and it's always been my hunch that just having a single star column that you can toggle (a la GMail) would be way more convenient. What's the difference between 3, 4 star, and 5 stars? If you rate songs as 1 star (out of 5), why do you even have that in your library? (In Mixxx, you can Remove them.) The mapping from a 5-star system to my imaginary 1-star system would be: 4, 5 stars -- starred 2, 3 stars -- unstarred 1 star -- remove Does anyone actually use all 5 stars? Yeah I do. I've been using 5-star ratings in Madman for years. 5 = absolute favourite 4 = excellent 3 = good 2 = not completely without merit 1 = I'd never voluntarily play this, but it remains in my library for one of the following reasons: (a) it's a track from a CD album which I might want to burn in its original form (b) on rare occasions it might be useful/requested (not all gigs are for the hippest underground crowd, unfortunately some of us still have to do weddings, family barbecues etc sometimes...) Downgrading from a 5-star to a 1-star system is lossy for me, while you can trivially use a 5-star system as if it were a 1-star system if you want. Ben -- Quextal plays progressive and psychedelic breakbeats and 4/4s for innerspace journeying and wild dancing. Free Trips available from http://quextal.com. Search for Quextal on Facebook to get gig/radio info direct. -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev ___ Mixxx-devel mailing list Mixxx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mixxx-devel
Re: [Mixxx-devel] Rant about Star Ratings
Hey guys, never thought that ratings can get so complicated :-) I can follow Albert's concerns but I also have some arguments to leave it as it is. See some of my comments below... Am 15.11.2010 08:56, schrieb RJ Ryan: can we please implement GMail keybindings in the library table? On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 2:54 AM, Albert Santoni albe...@mixxx.org mailto:albe...@mixxx.org wrote: On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 11:50 PM, RJ Ryan rr...@mit.edu mailto:rr...@mit.edu wrote: Anti-troll troll: How do we map metadata tag ratings that are on a 1-5 scale (like every other app out there, iTunes included) to the 0/1 scale? Are we going to split that one star up into fifths ? For the iTunes external source, just leave it as a 5-star system. We'd only have to map to the 1-star system if we were to do real importing, which we don't (yet?). This, however, breaks consistency. From a user perspective it might look strange if our native library features have 1-star and foreign features have 5 stars. It is a de-facto standard to use 5 stars in many audio applications including Traktor, iTunes, Windows Media Player, etc. To pour more gas on the fire, how are ratings different than crates? They're just labels... Albert RJ On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 2:46 AM, Albert Santoni albe...@mixxx.org mailto:albe...@mixxx.org wrote: Warning: Possible giant troll. Hey guys, I've always had a beef with 5-star ratings in music applications that's turned me off using them. I struggle with the meaning of each rating, and it's always been my hunch that just having a single star column that you can toggle (a la GMail) would be way more convenient. What's the difference between 3, 4 star, and 5 stars? If you rate songs as 1 star (out of 5), why do you even have that in your library? (In Mixxx, you can Remove them.) The mapping from a 5-star system to my imaginary 1-star system would be: 4, 5 stars -- starred 2, 3 stars -- unstarred 1 star -- remove Does anyone actually use all 5 stars? I do rate my song. My newer playlists are organized by quarter and often around 100 tracks of genre. 5 stars -- awesome track, a must to play 4 stars -- good track 3 stars-- warm up tracks /lounge / etc. 3 stars-- to be honest, never used Of course, these are my semantics. And I agree that it could make sense to split my playlists up into smaller parts ( a playlist for lounge or warm up tracks, one for good tracks, one for awesome tracks). However, here's also a problem for me. Mixxx does not support sub playlists at the moment. Per genre, I'd like to have sub playlist representing my way of organization. That's why my playlists become large and ratings help me to spot my favorite tracks. I my opinion, a 1-star rating brings semantic problems similar to the NULL issue in databases. What does 1-star mean? It's a rated song! But that's all? What does 0-stars mean? Useless track, never play it? Or does it mean a rating is available but it has not been applied? Or does it mean, the track has not been rated yet? Most of the discussion is may be driven from our education in computer science :-) I would be surprised if other users come up with semantic problems :-) I don't want to rag on Tobias' great work on the star widget. :) If we were go to a 1-star system, we could definitely still use his widget without modification for our external track sources. Thanks, and hopefully someone can set me straight. Albert -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev ___ Mixxx-devel mailing list Mixxx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net mailto:Mixxx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mixxx-devel -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev ___ Mixxx-devel mailing list Mixxx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mixxx-devel -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware
Re: [Mixxx-devel] Rant about Star Ratings
Well, firstly I think the fact that other apps do it isn't a good argument for why we should :) But I think the outcome of this conversation will be that there are two types of people: 1) All of my songs have accurate metadata and are well organised, I like to have a detailed rating system to allow me to further categorise things. 2) Everything is all over the place, cds I ripped, stuff I downloaded, bought from iTunes etc... Metadata is unreliable at best. I use stars to make sense of chaos. They're two kind of different use cases. I am 2) and I've tried to use the 5-star thing in iTunes and found it to be a bit of a waste of time, I'm never going to rate my whole library. I always resort to free text search both there and in Mixxx and probably would use a 1-bit star tag. But yeah, my point is they're two different things really... it depends what use case we want to satisfy. I actually wonder if 1) people are being limited by the 5-star thing and freeform tags wouldn't solve their problem better rather than having to encode their information into the 2.something bits of the stars. Adam -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev ___ Mixxx-devel mailing list Mixxx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mixxx-devel
[Mixxx-devel] Rant about Star Ratings
Warning: Possible giant troll. Hey guys, I've always had a beef with 5-star ratings in music applications that's turned me off using them. I struggle with the meaning of each rating, and it's always been my hunch that just having a single star column that you can toggle (a la GMail) would be way more convenient. What's the difference between 3, 4 star, and 5 stars? If you rate songs as 1 star (out of 5), why do you even have that in your library? (In Mixxx, you can Remove them.) The mapping from a 5-star system to my imaginary 1-star system would be: 4, 5 stars -- starred 2, 3 stars -- unstarred 1 star -- remove Does anyone actually use all 5 stars? I don't want to rag on Tobias' great work on the star widget. :) If we were go to a 1-star system, we could definitely still use his widget without modification for our external track sources. Thanks, and hopefully someone can set me straight. Albert -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev ___ Mixxx-devel mailing list Mixxx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mixxx-devel
Re: [Mixxx-devel] Rant about Star Ratings
Anti-troll troll: How do we map metadata tag ratings that are on a 1-5 scale (like every other app out there, iTunes included) to the 0/1 scale? Are we going to split that one star up into fifths ? RJ On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 2:46 AM, Albert Santoni albe...@mixxx.org wrote: Warning: Possible giant troll. Hey guys, I've always had a beef with 5-star ratings in music applications that's turned me off using them. I struggle with the meaning of each rating, and it's always been my hunch that just having a single star column that you can toggle (a la GMail) would be way more convenient. What's the difference between 3, 4 star, and 5 stars? If you rate songs as 1 star (out of 5), why do you even have that in your library? (In Mixxx, you can Remove them.) The mapping from a 5-star system to my imaginary 1-star system would be: 4, 5 stars -- starred 2, 3 stars -- unstarred 1 star -- remove Does anyone actually use all 5 stars? I don't want to rag on Tobias' great work on the star widget. :) If we were go to a 1-star system, we could definitely still use his widget without modification for our external track sources. Thanks, and hopefully someone can set me straight. Albert -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev ___ Mixxx-devel mailing list Mixxx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mixxx-devel -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev___ Mixxx-devel mailing list Mixxx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mixxx-devel
Re: [Mixxx-devel] Rant about Star Ratings
On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 11:50 PM, RJ Ryan rr...@mit.edu wrote: Anti-troll troll: How do we map metadata tag ratings that are on a 1-5 scale (like every other app out there, iTunes included) to the 0/1 scale? Are we going to split that one star up into fifths ? For the iTunes external source, just leave it as a 5-star system. We'd only have to map to the 1-star system if we were to do real importing, which we don't (yet?). To pour more gas on the fire, how are ratings different than crates? They're just labels... Albert RJ On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 2:46 AM, Albert Santoni albe...@mixxx.org wrote: Warning: Possible giant troll. Hey guys, I've always had a beef with 5-star ratings in music applications that's turned me off using them. I struggle with the meaning of each rating, and it's always been my hunch that just having a single star column that you can toggle (a la GMail) would be way more convenient. What's the difference between 3, 4 star, and 5 stars? If you rate songs as 1 star (out of 5), why do you even have that in your library? (In Mixxx, you can Remove them.) The mapping from a 5-star system to my imaginary 1-star system would be: 4, 5 stars -- starred 2, 3 stars -- unstarred 1 star -- remove Does anyone actually use all 5 stars? I don't want to rag on Tobias' great work on the star widget. :) If we were go to a 1-star system, we could definitely still use his widget without modification for our external track sources. Thanks, and hopefully someone can set me straight. Albert -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev ___ Mixxx-devel mailing list Mixxx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mixxx-devel -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev ___ Mixxx-devel mailing list Mixxx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mixxx-devel
