Re: How To Bundle Module::Build (was Re: Module::Build 0.30 is released)

2008-10-05 Thread Adam Kennedy
I'll see to it that the pony goes into blead asap. Adam K 2008/10/4 Nicholas Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, Oct 04, 2008 at 01:55:50PM +1000, Adam Kennedy wrote: The magic ponies will be introduced in 5.8.9 and 5.10.1. You indeed will never have to upgrade. 5.8.9 will ship, ponies ready

Re: How To Bundle Module::Build (was Re: Module::Build 0.30 is released)

2008-10-04 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Sat, Oct 04, 2008 at 01:55:50PM +1000, Adam Kennedy wrote: The magic ponies will be introduced in 5.8.9 and 5.10.1. You indeed will never have to upgrade. 5.8.9 will ship, ponies ready or not. I don't see stable ponies in blead to merge. I'm not the only person who can commit to blead, so

Re: Module::Build 0.30 is released

2008-10-04 Thread Craig A. Berry
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Craig A. Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 6:33 AM, Steve Hay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, applied to bleadperl as 34446. Two local changes remain: Change 32357 by [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 2007/11/17 04:19:47 Skip Module::Build

Re: How To Bundle Module::Build (was Re: Module::Build 0.30 is released)

2008-10-03 Thread Adam Kennedy
2008/10/3 Michael G Schwern [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/9/30 Matt S Trout [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If the world upgraded regularly, Module::Build wouldn't be such a disaster anyway :) Adam Kennedy wrote: True, but it's FAR more palatable to say Just upgrade ONCE, and you'll never have to think about

Re: Module::Build 0.30 is released - ppm.t on VMS depends on Archive::Tar patch.

2008-10-02 Thread John E. Malmberg
Jos I. Boumans wrote: Hi John, On Oct 1, 2008, at 2:51 AM, John E. Malmberg wrote: http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.vmsperl/2008/06/msg14821.html The main problem is that Archive::Tar needs a patch to properly be able to pack a VMS binary into a tarball. We were waiting for word from

Re: Module::Build 0.30 is released - ppm.t on VMS depends on Archive::Tar patch.

2008-10-02 Thread Craig A. Berry
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Steve Hay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blead is now updated to Archive-Tar-1.39_04 in #34452. One local change remains in blead: Change 32352 by [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 2007/11/16 23:46:13 The new Archive::Tar tests are TODO on VMS for reasons unrelated

RE: Module::Build 0.30 is released - ppm.t on VMS depends on Archive::Tar patch.

2008-10-02 Thread Steve Hay
John E. Malmberg wrote: Jos I. Boumans wrote: Hi John, On Oct 1, 2008, at 2:51 AM, John E. Malmberg wrote: http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.vmsperl/2008/06/msg14821.html The main problem is that Archive::Tar needs a patch to properly be able to pack a VMS binary into a tarball.

Re: Module::Build 0.30 is released

2008-10-02 Thread Craig A. Berry
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 6:33 AM, Steve Hay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, applied to bleadperl as 34446. Two local changes remain: Change 32357 by [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 2007/11/17 04:19:47 Skip Module::Build ppm test -- not ready for prime time on VMS. (ppm.t) Change 32351 by

Re: How To Bundle Module::Build (was Re: Module::Build 0.30 is released)

2008-10-02 Thread Adam Kennedy
True, but it's FAR more palatable to say Just upgrade ONCE, and you'll never have to think about it again compared to upgrading continuously. Adam K 2008/9/30 Matt S Trout [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If the world upgraded regularly, Module::Build wouldn't be such a disaster anyway :)

Re: How To Bundle Module::Build (was Re: Module::Build 0.30 is released)

2008-10-02 Thread Michael G Schwern
2008/9/30 Matt S Trout [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If the world upgraded regularly, Module::Build wouldn't be such a disaster anyway :) Adam Kennedy wrote: True, but it's FAR more palatable to say Just upgrade ONCE, and you'll never have to think about it again compared to upgrading continuously.

Re: How To Bundle Module::Build (was Re: Module::Build 0.30 is released)

2008-10-02 Thread Michael G Schwern
Michael G Schwern wrote: 2008/9/30 Matt S Trout [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If the world upgraded regularly, Module::Build wouldn't be such a disaster anyway :) Adam Kennedy wrote: True, but it's FAR more palatable to say Just upgrade ONCE, and you'll never have to think about it again compared to

Re: Module::Build 0.30 is released - ppm.t on VMS depends on Archive::Tar patch.

2008-10-01 Thread John E. Malmberg
Steve Hay wrote: Ken Williams wrote: Hi all, After much tireless work by Eric Wilhelm and lots of feedback from patient nonpatient users alike, I'm pleased to announce that version 0.30 of Module::Build is now on CPAN. This is the first non-beta release in a long time. Thanks, applied to

Re: How To Bundle Module::Build (was Re: Module::Build 0.30 is released)

2008-09-30 Thread Matt S Trout
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 11:07:47AM -0400, David Golden wrote: On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 9:54 PM, Adam Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as I'm concerned, configure_requires doesn't exist until there's prod release of both CPAN.pm and CPANPLUS that support it. Once there is, THEN we

RE: Module::Build 0.30 is released

2008-09-30 Thread Steve Hay
Ken Williams wrote: Hi all, After much tireless work by Eric Wilhelm and lots of feedback from patient nonpatient users alike, I'm pleased to announce that version 0.30 of Module::Build is now on CPAN. This is the first non-beta release in a long time. Thanks, applied to bleadperl as

Re: Module::Build 0.30 is released

2008-09-29 Thread chromatic
On Sunday 28 September 2008 06:38:44 Matt S Trout wrote: Never mind, I'll go back to waiting for it to be five years from now and the toolchain to have worked round this brain damage. That's not helpful. When a project doesn't release a new version, some people say Oh, don't use it! They

Re: How To Bundle Module::Build (was Re: Module::Build 0.30 is released)

2008-09-29 Thread David Golden
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 9:54 PM, Adam Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as I'm concerned, configure_requires doesn't exist until there's prod release of both CPAN.pm and CPANPLUS that support it. Once there is, THEN we can draw a line under it, call it done, and start recommending the

Re: Module::Build 0.30 is released

2008-09-29 Thread Matt S Trout
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 11:33:09AM -0500, Ken Williams wrote: On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 8:38 AM, Matt S Trout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was told it was a planned feature when KWILLIAMS turned up on london.pm and yelled FUD because I was complaining about users' problems in the real world

Re: How To Bundle Module::Build (was Re: Module::Build 0.30 is released)

2008-09-29 Thread Matt S Trout
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 04:16:33PM -0400, Michael G Schwern wrote: Matt, I've met a lot of people who don't use Module::Build because you said not to use it. They usually don't know why. There's already enough FUD flying around without adding to it. Please either give us specifics we can

Re: Module::Build 0.30 is released

2008-09-28 Thread Ken Williams
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 8:38 AM, Matt S Trout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was told it was a planned feature when KWILLIAMS turned up on london.pm and yelled FUD because I was complaining about users' problems in the real world rather than the problems of an ideal user that somehow magically

Re: Module::Build 0.30 is released

2008-09-28 Thread Matt S Trout
On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 07:53:07PM -0400, Michael G Schwern wrote: Matt S Trout wrote: On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 10:01:19PM -0500, Ken Williams wrote: Hi all, After much tireless work by Eric Wilhelm and lots of feedback from patient nonpatient users alike, I'm pleased to announce that

How To Bundle Module::Build (was Re: Module::Build 0.30 is released)

2008-09-28 Thread Michael G Schwern
Matt S Trout wrote: On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 07:53:07PM -0400, Michael G Schwern wrote: Matt S Trout wrote: On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 10:01:19PM -0500, Ken Williams wrote: Hi all, After much tireless work by Eric Wilhelm and lots of feedback from patient nonpatient users alike, I'm pleased to

Re: Module::Build 0.30 is released

2008-09-27 Thread Matt S Trout
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 10:01:19PM -0500, Ken Williams wrote: Hi all, After much tireless work by Eric Wilhelm and lots of feedback from patient nonpatient users alike, I'm pleased to announce that version 0.30 of Module::Build is now on CPAN. This is the first non-beta release in a long