Re: nettime revenge of the concept

2003-01-27 Thread Felix Stalder
In his excellent paper, Coase's Penguin: Linux and The Nature of the Firm, Yochai Benkler explains, not the motivation, but the technical and legal preconditions for cooperative informational and cultural production. The technical considerations are basically: telematically interlinked personal

nettime revenge of the concept

2003-01-23 Thread McKenzie Wark
I found Brian's paper very interesting. Here are a few thoughts: Gift exchange and commodity exchange seem to me to be mutually implicated in each other. No commodity system exists without the gift. Economic doctrine treats the commodity system as 'pure' when a good deal of the production of use

nettime Revenge of the Concept

2003-01-23 Thread Brian Holmes
[hi, nettimers -- someone kindly pointed out brian's original message, below, had somehow been lost in the nettime.org ar- chives and replaced with keith hart's response. since We Do Not Meddle With The Archives, the simple solution is to send it to the list again.

Re: nettime revenge of the concept

2003-01-22 Thread Brian Holmes
Keith Hart says that my text ...legitimately invokes the work of Karl Polanyi in support of an anti-market economics, but he does not point out that Polanyi looked to the planning structures of socialist states to implement redistribution as an alternative to the market. True enough - I'm

Re: nettime revenge of the concept

2003-01-22 Thread Keith Hart
Brian Holmes' reply to my reply is very much in the spirit of progressive conversation. It turns out that the differences between us as quite nuanced (as I already knew), but they can be exaggerated by a language of contrast. Thus we can agree on this: The problem is making the social

nettime revenge of the concept

2003-01-21 Thread Keith Hart
On Brian Holmes, Marcel Mauss and economic anthropology [For Polanyi] The result of market-governed exchange was to wreck the patterns of reciprocity that had made it possible for society to reproduce itself over time. Behind these discussions one occasionally catches a glimpse of an

nettime Revenge of the Concept

2003-01-20 Thread Brian Holmes
[Following is the lecture I gave at the expo Geography - and the Politics of Mobility in Vienna. It revists the gift economy debates, via Karl Polanyi, with some new ideas thanks to the talks at the WorldInfoCon, all in the hope of understanding networked mobilizations. Plenty of things for