[NTG-context] Re: Gaelic / Cló Gaelach

2026-01-10 Thread Wolfgang Schuster 

Am 07.01.2026 um 09:42 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context:

On 1/6/2026 11:34 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:


Sorry for opening a rabbit hole!


well, that's how it goes 

While I find this interesting, I have no use for Gaelic, but let’s 
pick the low hanging fruits.


...

I tried "mtxrun --script patterns …" on the patterns in my TeX live 
installation, and it seems to work, but I can‘t find the generated 
files, regardless of --destination.


I uncommented the line in mtx-patterns and made the files that we need 
in context. I'll add that to the distribution, with the following 
definition:


\installlanguage
   [\s!ga]
   [\c!define=\v!no,
    % these ate from english
    \c!spacing=\v!broad,
    \c!leftsentence=\emdash,
    \c!rightsentence=\emdash,
    \c!leftsubsentence=\emdash,
    \c!rightsubsentence=\emdash,
    \c!leftquote=\upperleftsinglesixquote,
    \c!rightquote=\upperrightsingleninequote,
    \c!leftquotation=\upperleftdoublesixquote,
    \c!rightquotation=\upperrightdoubleninequote,
    \c!date={\v!month,\space,\v!day,{,\space},\v!year},
    %
    \s!patterns=\s!ga,
    \s!lefthyphenmin=2,
    \s!righthyphenmin=3]

\installlanguage [\s!gaelic] [\s!ga]

Maybe Wolfgang can make a typescript file as he already played with the 
fonts.


Done.

Wolfgang
%D \module
%D   [   file=type-imp-gadelica,
%Dversion=2026.01.10,
%D  title=\CONTEXT\ Typescript Macros,
%D   subtitle=Typescript file for Gadelica,
%D author=Hans Hagen,
%D   date=\currentdate,
%D  copyright={PRAGMA ADE \& \CONTEXT\ Development Team}]

% https://www.gaelchlo.com/clonna2.html -> Gadelica Ultima.zip

\starttypescriptcollection [gadelica]

\loadtypescriptfile [dejavu]
\loadtypescriptfile [iwona]

\starttypescript [\s!serif] [gadelica] [\s!name]
\definefontsynonym [Gadelica-Regular] [\s!file:gadelica]
[\s!features=\s!default]
\definefontsynonym [Gadelica-Italic]  [\s!file:gadelicacursiva] 
[\s!features=\s!default]
\definefontsynonym [Gadelica-Bold][\s!file:gadelicagravis]  
[\s!features=\s!default]
\stoptypescript

\starttypescript [\s!serif] [gadelica] [\s!name]
\setups[\s!font:\s!fallback:\s!serif]
\definefontsynonym [\s!Serif]   [Gadelica-Regular]
\definefontsynonym [\s!SerifItalic] [Gadelica-Italic]
\definefontsynonym [\s!SerifBold]   [Gadelica-Bold]
\stoptypescript

\starttypescript [gadelica]
\definetypeface [gadelica] [\s!rm] [\s!serif] [gadelica] [\s!default]
\definetypeface [gadelica] [\s!tt] [\s!mono]  [dejavu]   [\s!default] 
[\s!rscale=0.85]
\definetypeface [gadelica] [\s!mm] [\s!math]  [iwona][\s!default]
\quittypescriptscanning
\stoptypescript

\stoptypescriptcollection
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[NTG-context] Re: Gaelic / Cló Gaelach

2026-01-07 Thread Jim 
On Wed, Jan  7, 2026 at 22:08 (+0100), Jean-Pierre Delange via ntg-context 
wrote:

> I am completely amazed by how quickly everyone has reacted to this issue of
> traditional Gaelic! I think it is of the utmost strategic importance that,
> regardless of the language—even if it is only spoken and written by a few
> scholars or elderly people living in poverty in a remote hamlet (or spoken
> by millions on the other side of the world)—it can still be printed on paper
> using precise and effective methods! This is true for traditional Gaelic,
> but it is undoubtedly also true for the Breton languages related to Welsh
> (leaving aside the Ogham alphabet), and all those languages that are now
> spoken by small populations, but which populate Europe and elsewhere (such
> as Tifinagh).

> I am very curious to know how to write the name of this village:
> *Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwantysiliogogogoch* 
> 
> in non-Latin Welsh !

I don't know how to write it, but since you brought it up I think all
interested parties should watch this very short video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHxO0UdpoxM

Jim
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[NTG-context] Re: Gaelic / Cló Gaelach

2026-01-07 Thread Keith McKay 



On 07/01/2026 08:42, Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote:

On 1/6/2026 11:34 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:


Sorry for opening a rabbit hole!


well, that's how it goes 

While I find this interesting, I have no use for Gaelic, but let’s 
pick the low hanging fruits.


...

I tried "mtxrun --script patterns …" on the patterns in my TeX live 
installation, and it seems to work, but I can‘t find the generated 
files, regardless of --destination.


I uncommented the line in mtx-patterns and made the files that we need 
in context. I'll add that to the distribution, with the following 
definition:


\installlanguage
   [\s!ga]
   [\c!define=\v!no,
    % these ate from english
    \c!spacing=\v!broad,
    \c!leftsentence=\emdash,
    \c!rightsentence=\emdash,
    \c!leftsubsentence=\emdash,
    \c!rightsubsentence=\emdash,
    \c!leftquote=\upperleftsinglesixquote,
    \c!rightquote=\upperrightsingleninequote,
    \c!leftquotation=\upperleftdoublesixquote,
    \c!rightquotation=\upperrightdoubleninequote,
    \c!date={\v!month,\space,\v!day,{,\space},\v!year},
    %
    \s!patterns=\s!ga,
    \s!lefthyphenmin=2,
    \s!righthyphenmin=3]

\installlanguage [\s!gaelic] [\s!ga]

Maybe Wolfgang can make a typescript file as he already played with the 
fonts.


Labels ... as said that's for Tomas to coordinate up with (once he has a 
gaelic speaking student in his project). Or maybe Keith can jump in 
there for some basics. Looking at those latex files imo is a waste of time.


It's not like we suddenly need this language support immediately; it 
just has to be ready before Keith writes an article for the ctx journal 
(your high hanging fruits).


I'm not very tall ;-)
Ceiteaċ Mac Aoḋa (Ceiteach Mac Aodha)
Otherwise known as Keith McKay


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[NTG-context] Re: Gaelic / Cló Gaelach

2026-01-07 Thread Hans Hagen via ntg-context 

On 1/7/2026 8:49 AM, Arthur Rosendahl wrote:


   The authoritative source for all patterns is at 
https://github.com/hyphenation/tex-hyphen :-)
We have patterns for Irish 
(https://github.com/hyphenation/tex-hyphen/blob/master/hyph-utf8/tex/generic/hyph-utf8/patterns/tex/hyph-ga.tex),
but not (Scottish) Gaelic.


Indeed, that's what we always use.

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[NTG-context] Re: Gaelic / Cló Gaelach

2026-01-07 Thread Arthur Rosendahl 
On Tue, Jan 06, 2026 at 11:34:42PM +0100, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> There’s Irish and Scottish language support for LaTeX:
> * https://ctan.org/pkg/babel-irish
> * Patterns: https://ctan.org/pkg/gahyph
>   https://ctan.org/tex-archive/language/hyphenation/gahyph.tex
> * https://ctan.org/pkg/babel-scottish

  The authoritative source for all patterns is at 
https://github.com/hyphenation/tex-hyphen :-)
We have patterns for Irish 
(https://github.com/hyphenation/tex-hyphen/blob/master/hyph-utf8/tex/generic/hyph-utf8/patterns/tex/hyph-ga.tex),
but not (Scottish) Gaelic.

Best,

Arthur
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[NTG-context] Re: Gaelic / Cló Gaelach

2026-01-07 Thread Hans Hagen via ntg-context 

On 1/6/2026 11:34 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:


Sorry for opening a rabbit hole!


well, that's how it goes 

While I find this interesting, I have no use for Gaelic, but let’s pick 
the low hanging fruits.


...

I tried "mtxrun --script patterns …" on the patterns in my TeX live 
installation, and it seems to work, but I can‘t find the generated 
files, regardless of --destination.


I uncommented the line in mtx-patterns and made the files that we need 
in context. I'll add that to the distribution, with the following 
definition:


\installlanguage
  [\s!ga]
  [\c!define=\v!no,
   % these ate from english
   \c!spacing=\v!broad,
   \c!leftsentence=\emdash,
   \c!rightsentence=\emdash,
   \c!leftsubsentence=\emdash,
   \c!rightsubsentence=\emdash,
   \c!leftquote=\upperleftsinglesixquote,
   \c!rightquote=\upperrightsingleninequote,
   \c!leftquotation=\upperleftdoublesixquote,
   \c!rightquotation=\upperrightdoubleninequote,
   \c!date={\v!month,\space,\v!day,{,\space},\v!year},
   %
   \s!patterns=\s!ga,
   \s!lefthyphenmin=2,
   \s!righthyphenmin=3]

\installlanguage [\s!gaelic] [\s!ga]

Maybe Wolfgang can make a typescript file as he already played with the 
fonts.


Labels ... as said that's for Tomas to coordinate up with (once he has a 
gaelic speaking student in his project). Or maybe Keith can jump in 
there for some basics. Looking at those latex files imo is a waste of time.


It's not like we suddenly need this language support immediately; it 
just has to be ready before Keith writes an article for the ctx journal 
(your high hanging fruits).


Hans

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[NTG-context] Re: Gaelic / Cló Gaelach

2026-01-06 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm 

Sorry for opening a rabbit hole!

While I find this interesting, I have no use for Gaelic, but let’s pick 
the low hanging fruits.


Am 06.01.26 um 22:41 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context:
If I assume correctly, we need hyphenation patterns for "ga" and some 
default settings for quotation marks etc.


Are there such patterns .. if so we can just generate the files we need 
(as usual with mtx-patterns).


  -- { mnemonic = "??",  name = "hyph-ga",    comment = "irish" },


There’s Irish and Scottish language support for LaTeX:
* https://ctan.org/pkg/babel-irish
* Patterns: https://ctan.org/pkg/gahyph
  https://ctan.org/tex-archive/language/hyphenation/gahyph.tex
* https://ctan.org/pkg/babel-scottish

> For labels the users need to coordinate with Tomas Hala.

The babel packages contain some necessary translations (and some 
missing), see below.


IRISH GAELIC

\LdfInit{irish}\captionsirish
\ifx\l@irish\@undefined
  \@nopatterns{irish}
  \adddialect\l@irish0\fi
\providehyphenmins{\CurrentOption}{\tw@\thr@@}
\addto\captionsirish{%
  \def\prefacename{R\'eamhr\'a}%<-- also "Brollach"
  \def\refname{Tagairt\'{\i}}%
  \def\abstractname{Achoimre}%
  \def\bibname{Leabharliosta}%
  \def\chaptername{Caibidil}%
  \def\appendixname{Aguis\'{\i}n}%
  \def\contentsname{Cl\'ar \'Abhair}%
  \def\listfigurename{L\'ear\'aid\'{\i}}%
  \def\listtablename{T\'abla\'{\i}}%
  \def\indexname{Inn\'eacs}%
  \def\figurename{L\'ear\'aid}%
  \def\tablename{T\'abla}%
  \def\partname{Cuid}%
  \def\enclname{faoi iamh}%
  \def\ccname{cc}% abrv. `c\'oip chuig'
  \def\headtoname{Go}%
  \def\pagename{Leathanach}%
  \def\seename{f\'each}%
  \def\alsoname{f\'each freisin}%
  \def\proofname{Cruth\'unas}%
  \def\glossaryname{Glossary}% <-- Needs translation
  }
\def\dateirish{%
  \def\today{%
\number\day\space \ifcase\month\or
Ean\'air\or Feabhra\or M\'arta\or Aibre\'an\or
Bealtaine\or Meitheamh\or I\'uil\or L\'unasa\or
Me\'an F\'omhair\or Deireadh F\'omhair\or
M\'{\i} na Samhna\or M\'{\i} na Nollag\fi
\space \number\year}}

SCOTTISH GAELIC

\@namedef{captions\CurrentOption}{%
  \def\prefacename{Preface}%<-- needs translation
  \def\refname{Iomraidh}%
  \def\abstractname{Br\`{\i}gh}%
  \def\bibname{Leabhraichean}%
  \def\chaptername{Caibideil}%
  \def\appendixname{Ath-sgr`{\i}obhadh}%
  \def\contentsname{Cl\`ar-obrach}%
  \def\listfigurename{Liosta Dhealbh }%
  \def\listtablename{Liosta Chl\`ar}%
  \def\indexname{Cl\`ar-innse}%
  \def\figurename{Dealbh}%
  \def\tablename{Cl\`ar}%
  \def\partname{Cuid}%
  \def\enclname{a-staigh}%
  \def\ccname{lethbhreac gu}%
  \def\headtoname{gu}%
  \def\pagename{t.d.}% abrv. `taobh duilleag'
  \def\seename{see}%<-- needs translation
  \def\alsoname{see also}%<-- needs translation
  \def\proofname{Proof}%<-- needs translation
  \def\glossaryname{Glossary}% <-- Needs translation
}
\@namedef{date\CurrentOption}{%
  \def\today{%
\number\day\space \ifcase\month\or
am Faoilteach\or an Gearran\or am M\`art\or an Giblean\or
an C\`eitean\or an t-\`Og mhios\or an t-Iuchar\or
L\`unasdal\or an Sultuine\or an D\`amhar\or
an t-Samhainn\or an Dubhlachd\fi
\space \number\year}}


PATTERNS

I tried "mtxrun --script patterns …" on the patterns in my TeX live 
installation, and it seems to work, but I can‘t find the generated 
files, regardless of --destination.



Hraban



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[NTG-context] Re: Gaelic / Cló Gaelach

2026-01-06 Thread Hans Hagen via ntg-context 

On 1/6/2026 7:19 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

I wikified what we have so far:

https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Input_and_compilation/Languages/Gaelic

If I assume correctly, we need hyphenation patterns for "ga" and some 
default settings for quotation marks etc.


Are there such patterns .. if so we can just generate the files we need 
(as usual with mtx-patterns).


 -- { mnemonic = "??",  name = "hyph-ga",comment = "irish" },
 -- { mnemonic = "??",  name = "hyph-gl",comment = 
"galician" },


For labels the users need to coordinate with Tomas Hala.

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[NTG-context] Re: Gaelic / Cló Gaelach

2026-01-06 Thread Thomas Meyer 

As soon as you do it right, it works.

Am 06.01.26 um 19:26 schrieb Thomas Meyer:

Upps!

Am 06.01.26 um 19:12 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm:

Yes! Thomas, you didn’t install the Gadelica font.

Am 06.01.26 um 19:09 schrieb Thomas Meyer:

Sorry, not in Wolfgangs example. See attached file.

Am 06.01.26 um 17:57 schrieb Jean-Pierre Delange via ntg-context:


Nope! The Gadelica font renders lenited consonants (consonants with 
dots) very well. See the attached file.
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[NTG-context] Re: Gaelic / Cló Gaelach

2026-01-06 Thread Thomas Meyer 

Upps!

Am 06.01.26 um 19:12 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm:

Yes! Thomas, you didn’t install the Gadelica font.

Am 06.01.26 um 19:09 schrieb Thomas Meyer:

Sorry, not in Wolfgangs example. See attached file.

Am 06.01.26 um 17:57 schrieb Jean-Pierre Delange via ntg-context:


Nope! The Gadelica font renders lenited consonants (consonants with 
dots) very well. See the attached file.
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[NTG-context] Re: Gaelic / Cló Gaelach

2026-01-06 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm 

I wikified what we have so far:

https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Input_and_compilation/Languages/Gaelic

If I assume correctly, we need hyphenation patterns for "ga" and some 
default settings for quotation marks etc.


Hraban
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[NTG-context] Re: Gaelic / Cló Gaelach

2026-01-06 Thread Thomas Meyer 

... and I prefer the h-writing!

Why the dot notation is no longer in common use:
on (road) signs, for example, dirt can cover the dot, but the h is still 
legible.


Am 06.01.26 um 17:57 schrieb Jean-Pierre Delange via ntg-context:


Nope! The Gadelica font renders lenited consonants (consonants with 
dots) very well. See the attached file.


Best//JP

Le 06/01/2026 à 18:31, Thomas Meyer a écrit :

Mhm, the dotted letters are missing!

Am 06.01.26 um 13:59 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:

Am 06.01.2026 um 12:46 schrieb Jean-Pierre Delange via ntg-context:

Dear all,

Is ConTeXt able of typesetting text in Insular Gaelic 
(Irish/Scottish)?


As I see, LaTeX, with the babel package, renders Gaelic in Latin 
typography (with diacritical marks).


But there are two fonts that do the job (apart from babel and which 
are in utf8 standards);


one is commercial and the other seems to do the job (see attached 
file).


% https://www.gaelchlo.com/clonna2.html

\starttypescript [serif] [gadelica]
  \setup[font:fallback:serif]
  \definefontsynonym [Serif]   [file:gadelica] [features=default]
  \definefontsynonym [SerifItalic] [file:gadelicacursiva] 
[features=default]
  \definefontsynonym [SerifBold]   [file:gadelicagravis] 
[features=default]

\stoptypescript

\definetypeface [gadelica] [rm] [serif] [gadelica] [default]

\setupbodyfont[gadelica]

\starttext

%{\tf Gadelica}
%{\it Gadelica Cursiva}
%{\bf Gadelica Gravis}

\startlines
Ba ġnáċ mé ag siúl le ciuṁais na haḃann,
Ar ḃáinseaċ úr ’s an drúċt go trom,
In aice na gcoillte i gcoim an tsléiḃe,
Gan ṁairg gan ṁoill ar ṡoilse an lae.
\stoplines

“Do scríoḃas go mionċruinn ar a lán dár gcúrsaí a d’ḟonn go
mbeaḋ cuiṁne i mball éigin orṫu, agus do ṫugas iarraċt ar
ṁeon na ndaoine do ḃí im ṫimpeall do ċur síos ċuin go mbeaḋ
a dtuairisc ’ár ndiaiḋ, mar ná beiḋ ár leiṫéidí arís ann.”

\stoptext

Wolfgang

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[NTG-context] Re: Gaelic / Cló Gaelach

2026-01-06 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm 

Yes! Thomas, you didn’t install the Gadelica font.

Am 06.01.26 um 19:09 schrieb Thomas Meyer:

Sorry, not in Wolfgangs example. See attached file.

Am 06.01.26 um 17:57 schrieb Jean-Pierre Delange via ntg-context:


Nope! The Gadelica font renders lenited consonants (consonants with 
dots) very well. See the attached file.

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[NTG-context] Re: Gaelic / Cló Gaelach

2026-01-06 Thread Thomas Meyer 

Sorry, not in Wolfgangs example. See attached file.

Am 06.01.26 um 17:57 schrieb Jean-Pierre Delange via ntg-context:


Nope! The Gadelica font renders lenited consonants (consonants with 
dots) very well. See the attached file.


Best//JP

Le 06/01/2026 à 18:31, Thomas Meyer a écrit :

Mhm, the dotted letters are missing!

Am 06.01.26 um 13:59 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:

Am 06.01.2026 um 12:46 schrieb Jean-Pierre Delange via ntg-context:

Dear all,

Is ConTeXt able of typesetting text in Insular Gaelic 
(Irish/Scottish)?


As I see, LaTeX, with the babel package, renders Gaelic in Latin 
typography (with diacritical marks).


But there are two fonts that do the job (apart from babel and which 
are in utf8 standards);


one is commercial and the other seems to do the job (see attached 
file).


% https://www.gaelchlo.com/clonna2.html

\starttypescript [serif] [gadelica]
  \setup[font:fallback:serif]
  \definefontsynonym [Serif]   [file:gadelica] [features=default]
  \definefontsynonym [SerifItalic] [file:gadelicacursiva] 
[features=default]
  \definefontsynonym [SerifBold]   [file:gadelicagravis] 
[features=default]

\stoptypescript

\definetypeface [gadelica] [rm] [serif] [gadelica] [default]

\setupbodyfont[gadelica]

\starttext

%{\tf Gadelica}
%{\it Gadelica Cursiva}
%{\bf Gadelica Gravis}

\startlines
Ba ġnáċ mé ag siúl le ciuṁais na haḃann,
Ar ḃáinseaċ úr ’s an drúċt go trom,
In aice na gcoillte i gcoim an tsléiḃe,
Gan ṁairg gan ṁoill ar ṡoilse an lae.
\stoplines

“Do scríoḃas go mionċruinn ar a lán dár gcúrsaí a d’ḟonn go
mbeaḋ cuiṁne i mball éigin orṫu, agus do ṫugas iarraċt ar
ṁeon na ndaoine do ḃí im ṫimpeall do ċur síos ċuin go mbeaḋ
a dtuairisc ’ár ndiaiḋ, mar ná beiḋ ár leiṫéidí arís ann.”

\stoptext

Wolfgang

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[NTG-context] Re: Gaelic / Cló Gaelach

2026-01-06 Thread Jean-Pierre Delange via ntg-context 
Nope! The Gadelica font renders lenited consonants (consonants with 
dots) very well. See the attached file.


Best//JP

Le 06/01/2026 à 18:31, Thomas Meyer a écrit :

Mhm, the dotted letters are missing!

Am 06.01.26 um 13:59 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:

Am 06.01.2026 um 12:46 schrieb Jean-Pierre Delange via ntg-context:

Dear all,

Is ConTeXt able of typesetting text in Insular Gaelic (Irish/Scottish)?

As I see, LaTeX, with the babel package, renders Gaelic in Latin 
typography (with diacritical marks).


But there are two fonts that do the job (apart from babel and which 
are in utf8 standards);


one is commercial and the other seems to do the job (see attached 
file).


% https://www.gaelchlo.com/clonna2.html

\starttypescript [serif] [gadelica]
  \setup[font:fallback:serif]
  \definefontsynonym [Serif]   [file:gadelica] [features=default]
  \definefontsynonym [SerifItalic] [file:gadelicacursiva] 
[features=default]
  \definefontsynonym [SerifBold]   [file:gadelicagravis] 
[features=default]

\stoptypescript

\definetypeface [gadelica] [rm] [serif] [gadelica] [default]

\setupbodyfont[gadelica]

\starttext

%{\tf Gadelica}
%{\it Gadelica Cursiva}
%{\bf Gadelica Gravis}

\startlines
Ba ġnáċ mé ag siúl le ciuṁais na haḃann,
Ar ḃáinseaċ úr ’s an drúċt go trom,
In aice na gcoillte i gcoim an tsléiḃe,
Gan ṁairg gan ṁoill ar ṡoilse an lae.
\stoplines

“Do scríoḃas go mionċruinn ar a lán dár gcúrsaí a d’ḟonn go
mbeaḋ cuiṁne i mball éigin orṫu, agus do ṫugas iarraċt ar
ṁeon na ndaoine do ḃí im ṫimpeall do ċur síos ċuin go mbeaḋ
a dtuairisc ’ár ndiaiḋ, mar ná beiḋ ár leiṫéidí arís ann.”

\stoptext

Wolfgang

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[NTG-context] Re: Gaelic / Cló Gaelach

2026-01-06 Thread Thomas Meyer 

Mhm, the dotted letters are missing!

Am 06.01.26 um 13:59 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:

Am 06.01.2026 um 12:46 schrieb Jean-Pierre Delange via ntg-context:

Dear all,

Is ConTeXt able of typesetting text in Insular Gaelic (Irish/Scottish)?

As I see, LaTeX, with the babel package, renders Gaelic in Latin 
typography (with diacritical marks).


But there are two fonts that do the job (apart from babel and which 
are in utf8 standards);


one is commercial and the other seems to do the job (see attached file).


% https://www.gaelchlo.com/clonna2.html

\starttypescript [serif] [gadelica]
  \setup[font:fallback:serif]
  \definefontsynonym [Serif]   [file:gadelica] [features=default]
  \definefontsynonym [SerifItalic] [file:gadelicacursiva] 
[features=default]
  \definefontsynonym [SerifBold]   [file:gadelicagravis] 
[features=default]

\stoptypescript

\definetypeface [gadelica] [rm] [serif] [gadelica] [default]

\setupbodyfont[gadelica]

\starttext

%{\tf Gadelica}
%{\it Gadelica Cursiva}
%{\bf Gadelica Gravis}

\startlines
Ba ġnáċ mé ag siúl le ciuṁais na haḃann,
Ar ḃáinseaċ úr ’s an drúċt go trom,
In aice na gcoillte i gcoim an tsléiḃe,
Gan ṁairg gan ṁoill ar ṡoilse an lae.
\stoplines

“Do scríoḃas go mionċruinn ar a lán dár gcúrsaí a d’ḟonn go
mbeaḋ cuiṁne i mball éigin orṫu, agus do ṫugas iarraċt ar
ṁeon na ndaoine do ḃí im ṫimpeall do ċur síos ċuin go mbeaḋ
a dtuairisc ’ár ndiaiḋ, mar ná beiḋ ár leiṫéidí arís ann.”

\stoptext

Wolfgang

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[NTG-context] Re: Gaelic / Cló Gaelach

2026-01-06 Thread Wolfgang Schuster 

Am 06.01.2026 um 15:08 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm:

Am 06.01.26 um 13:59 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:

Am 06.01.2026 um 12:46 schrieb Jean-Pierre Delange via ntg-context:

Dear all,

Is ConTeXt able of typesetting text in Insular Gaelic (Irish/Scottish)?

As I see, LaTeX, with the babel package, renders Gaelic in Latin 
typography (with diacritical marks).


But there are two fonts that do the job (apart from babel and which 
are in utf8 standards);


one is commercial and the other seems to do the job (see attached file).


% https://www.gaelchlo.com/clonna2.html


Thank you!

I posted the example to https://fosstodon.org/ 
@context/115848510984504421 as an answer to the post from where I got 
the blog link.


The rendering looks much better than JP’s example – I don’t know if 
that’s really made with LaTeX as the PDF only says it’s converted with 
GhostScript. The hinting(?) is strange – some characters are somewhat 
blurry, others a bit pixely.


The document is also included in the zip archive with the font files but 
unlike JP's version you can copy the text and it lists LibreOffice as 
creator.


Wolfgang

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[NTG-context] Re: Gaelic / Cló Gaelach

2026-01-06 Thread Keith McKay 
Here is a link to some interesting info on Gaelic fonts.

https://www3.smo.uhi.ac.uk/oduibhin/mearchlar/fonts.htm

The web page author, Ciarán O Duibhín is a retired computer scientist and
prominent Irish language  (Gaeilge) advocate, particularly  known in Ulster
(Northern Ireland)

Best wishes
Keith

On Tue, 6 Jan 2026, 14:13 Henning Hraban Ramm,  wrote:

> Am 06.01.26 um 13:59 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:
> > Am 06.01.2026 um 12:46 schrieb Jean-Pierre Delange via ntg-context:
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> Is ConTeXt able of typesetting text in Insular Gaelic (Irish/Scottish)?
> >>
> >> As I see, LaTeX, with the babel package, renders Gaelic in Latin
> >> typography (with diacritical marks).
> >>
> >> But there are two fonts that do the job (apart from babel and which
> >> are in utf8 standards);
> >>
> >> one is commercial and the other seems to do the job (see attached file).
> >
> > % https://www.gaelchlo.com/clonna2.html
>
> Thank you!
>
> I posted the example to
> https://fosstodon.org/@context/115848510984504421 as an answer to the
> post from where I got the blog link.
>
> The rendering looks much better than JP’s example – I don’t know if
> that’s really made with LaTeX as the PDF only says it’s converted with
> GhostScript. The hinting(?) is strange – some characters are somewhat
> blurry, others a bit pixely.
>
> Hraban
>
>
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[NTG-context] Re: Gaelic / Cló Gaelach

2026-01-06 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm 

Am 06.01.26 um 13:59 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:

Am 06.01.2026 um 12:46 schrieb Jean-Pierre Delange via ntg-context:

Dear all,

Is ConTeXt able of typesetting text in Insular Gaelic (Irish/Scottish)?

As I see, LaTeX, with the babel package, renders Gaelic in Latin 
typography (with diacritical marks).


But there are two fonts that do the job (apart from babel and which 
are in utf8 standards);


one is commercial and the other seems to do the job (see attached file).


% https://www.gaelchlo.com/clonna2.html


Thank you!

I posted the example to 
https://fosstodon.org/@context/115848510984504421 as an answer to the 
post from where I got the blog link.


The rendering looks much better than JP’s example – I don’t know if 
that’s really made with LaTeX as the PDF only says it’s converted with 
GhostScript. The hinting(?) is strange – some characters are somewhat 
blurry, others a bit pixely.


Hraban



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[NTG-context] Re: Gaelic / Cló Gaelach

2026-01-06 Thread Jean-Pierre Delange via ntg-context 

Thank you Wolfgang ! It works fine. Very impressive !

Best//JP

Le 06/01/2026 à 13:59, Wolfgang Schuster a écrit :

Am 06.01.2026 um 12:46 schrieb Jean-Pierre Delange via ntg-context:

Dear all,

Is ConTeXt able of typesetting text in Insular Gaelic (Irish/Scottish)?

As I see, LaTeX, with the babel package, renders Gaelic in Latin 
typography (with diacritical marks).


But there are two fonts that do the job (apart from babel and which 
are in utf8 standards);


one is commercial and the other seems to do the job (see attached file).


% https://www.gaelchlo.com/clonna2.html

\starttypescript [serif] [gadelica]
  \setup[font:fallback:serif]
  \definefontsynonym [Serif]   [file:gadelica] [features=default]
  \definefontsynonym [SerifItalic] [file:gadelicacursiva] 
[features=default]
  \definefontsynonym [SerifBold]   [file:gadelicagravis] 
[features=default]

\stoptypescript

\definetypeface [gadelica] [rm] [serif] [gadelica] [default]

\setupbodyfont[gadelica]

\starttext

%{\tf Gadelica}
%{\it Gadelica Cursiva}
%{\bf Gadelica Gravis}

\startlines
Ba ġnáċ mé ag siúl le ciuṁais na haḃann,
Ar ḃáinseaċ úr ’s an drúċt go trom,
In aice na gcoillte i gcoim an tsléiḃe,
Gan ṁairg gan ṁoill ar ṡoilse an lae.
\stoplines

“Do scríoḃas go mionċruinn ar a lán dár gcúrsaí a d’ḟonn go
mbeaḋ cuiṁne i mball éigin orṫu, agus do ṫugas iarraċt ar
ṁeon na ndaoine do ḃí im ṫimpeall do ċur síos ċuin go mbeaḋ
a dtuairisc ’ár ndiaiḋ, mar ná beiḋ ár leiṫéidí arís ann.”

\stoptext

Wolfgang

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[NTG-context] Re: Gaelic / Cló Gaelach

2026-01-06 Thread Wolfgang Schuster 

Am 06.01.2026 um 12:46 schrieb Jean-Pierre Delange via ntg-context:

Dear all,

Is ConTeXt able of typesetting text in Insular Gaelic (Irish/Scottish)?

As I see, LaTeX, with the babel package, renders Gaelic in Latin 
typography (with diacritical marks).


But there are two fonts that do the job (apart from babel and which are 
in utf8 standards);


one is commercial and the other seems to do the job (see attached file).


% https://www.gaelchlo.com/clonna2.html

\starttypescript [serif] [gadelica]
  \setup[font:fallback:serif]
  \definefontsynonym [Serif]   [file:gadelica] 
[features=default]
  \definefontsynonym [SerifItalic] [file:gadelicacursiva] 
[features=default]
  \definefontsynonym [SerifBold]   [file:gadelicagravis] 
[features=default]

\stoptypescript

\definetypeface [gadelica] [rm] [serif] [gadelica] [default]

\setupbodyfont[gadelica]

\starttext

%{\tf Gadelica}
%{\it Gadelica Cursiva}
%{\bf Gadelica Gravis}

\startlines
Ba ġnáċ mé ag siúl le ciuṁais na haḃann,
Ar ḃáinseaċ úr ’s an drúċt go trom,
In aice na gcoillte i gcoim an tsléiḃe,
Gan ṁairg gan ṁoill ar ṡoilse an lae.
\stoplines

“Do scríoḃas go mionċruinn ar a lán dár gcúrsaí a d’ḟonn go
mbeaḋ cuiṁne i mball éigin orṫu, agus do ṫugas iarraċt ar
ṁeon na ndaoine do ḃí im ṫimpeall do ċur síos ċuin go mbeaḋ
a dtuairisc ’ár ndiaiḋ, mar ná beiḋ ár leiṫéidí arís ann.”

\stoptext

Wolfgang

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[NTG-context] Re: Gaelic / Cló Gaelach

2026-01-06 Thread Keith McKay 
Hmm. I wonder if the typography would be similar for Scottish Gaelic.
I can see myself entering the rabbit hole soon.
Keith

On Tue, 6 Jan 2026, 10:18 Thomas Meyer,  wrote:

> Go raibh maith agat, Hraban!
>
> That means "Thank You, Hraban!"
>
> Greetings
> Tomás (Irish version of Thomas)
>
> Am 06.01.26 um 10:50 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm:
> > Anyone interested in typesetting (Irish) Gaelic?
> >
> > https://www.djmurphy.net/blog/clo-gaelach/
> >
> > TIL: Gaelic was more readable before printing, because printers (and
> > most typewriters) didn’t have the correct characters and accents. E.g.
> > the many “h”s in Gaelic replaced a dot accent.
> >
> > This author is using the dlig feature to replace “h accents” with
> > proper accents and some other tricks.
> >
> > Since I don’t understand Gaelic I don’t know if it would make sense to
> > add some features/settings to ConTeXt.
> >
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[NTG-context] Re: Gaelic / Cló Gaelach

2026-01-06 Thread Thomas Meyer 

Go raibh maith agat, Hraban!

That means "Thank You, Hraban!"

Greetings
Tomás (Irish version of Thomas)

Am 06.01.26 um 10:50 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm:

Anyone interested in typesetting (Irish) Gaelic?

https://www.djmurphy.net/blog/clo-gaelach/

TIL: Gaelic was more readable before printing, because printers (and 
most typewriters) didn’t have the correct characters and accents. E.g. 
the many “h”s in Gaelic replaced a dot accent.


This author is using the dlig feature to replace “h accents” with 
proper accents and some other tricks.


Since I don’t understand Gaelic I don’t know if it would make sense to 
add some features/settings to ConTeXt.


Hraban
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