Re: [Origami] Anthropic copyright settlement

[Contre]

It says in the very same email that shadow libraries are explained...


On 2 Dec 2025, 18:12, at 18:12, Laura R via Origami 
 wrote:
>Thanks.
>What’s the meaning of "AFAIK, the US is the only country that registers
>copyright like this, but IANAL”?
>
>> On Dec 2, 2025, at 2:08 PM, Tung Ken Lam via Origami
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Laura,
>>
>> From Wikipedia "Shadow libraries (also pirate libraries or black open
>access) are online repositories of freely available digital media that
>are normally paywalled, access-controlled, or otherwise not readily
>accessible"
>> 
>> I am avoiding listing the names of the shadow libraries here; you can
>find them in the Wikipedia article or in stories about the Anthropic
>case.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tung Ken
>>
>> PS
>>
>> AFAIK as far as I know
>> IANAL I am not a lawyer
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, 2 December 2025, 17:00:09 GMT, Laura R via Origami
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Tung Ken,
>> Can you explain what a shadow library is about? Also, the acronyms,
>so us laymen can understand the concepts and how that affects authors.
>> Thanks!
>> Laura R.
>>
>>> On Dec 2, 2025, at 1:56 PM, Tung Ken Lam via Origami
> wrote:
>>>
>>> Quite a few origami books were in the shadow library that Anthropic
>downloaded, including one of mine.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, however, these books are excluded from this
>settlement as US copyright registration was required before the the
>books were dowloaded (to qualify for non-statutory damages).
>>> AFAIK, the US is the only country that registers copyright like
>this, but IANAL. US copyright registration is 45 USD per work
>https://www.copyright.gov/about/fees.html
>>>
>>> Tung Ken
>>>
>>> PS This case is not about the legality of training AI with
>copyrighted works, but the downloading of works from a shadow library.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 2 December 2025, 16:29:35 GMT, Nicolas TERRY via Origami
> wrote:
>>>
>>> This is the first time I've ever been truly disappointed that none
>of my books have been pirated :o)
>>>
>>> Nicolas
>>>
>>>

>>> ...
>>> In a nutshell, the AI firm Anthropic allegedly used a huge trove of
>pirated publications to train their AI model Claude; they have been
>sued in a class action suit, and rather than face a jury, they have
>offered to settle, with the settlement amount being $3K per pirated
>work (divided up among authors, publishers, and some percentage for
>unspecified fees).
>>>
>>>
>>> So this is a real thing. Here’s an NPR report about the suit and
>settlement:
>>>
>https://www.npr.org/2025/09/05/nx-s1-5529404/anthropic-settlement-authors-copyright-ai
>>>
>>> And here’s the official settlement website:
>>>
>>> https://www.anthropiccopyrightsettlement.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> Robert
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [Origami] Anthropic copyright settlement

[KDianne Stephens via Origami]

Robert wrote: Normally, when I get an email that says something like

 

Sounds like we may have another job for the law firm that handled the Anthropic 
case!

 

Cricut, Inc. the cutting machine company, updated their Terms of Use on Sept. 
`6, 2026 granting themselves.

a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, exclusive license to 
collect, use, reproduce, create derivative works and sell Users' uploaded 
files. 

 

Cricut too has developed their ow AI generator

 

All personal files of 8 million users were collected by Cricut.

Orifun to all!!

Dianne

 

From: Origami [mailto:origami-boun...@lists.digitalorigami.com] On Behalf Of 
Robert Lang
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2025 4:34 PM
To: Origami-L
Subject: [Origami] Anthropic copyright settlement

 

Normally, when I get an email that says something like “you’ve been chosen to 
receive thousands of dollars from this thing you’ve read about in the news,” I 
file it in the same junk folder with the offers to share millions of dollars 
from the widow of Saddam Hussein, the email from random-gibber...@gmail.com 
that they represent the IRS and I have to give them my full banking information 
immediately to avoid cancellation of my everything, the notices that I’ve 
bought 500 bucks of Bitcoin and call this number if this is in error, and their 
fellow scammy brethren.

 

And then, once in a blue moon, it’s something real; and that’s the case now 
with the Anthropic copyright settlement.

 

In a nutshell, the AI firm Anthropic allegedly used a huge trove of pirated 
publications to train their AI model Claude; they have been sued in a class 
action suit, and rather than face a jury, they have offered to settle, with the 
settlement amount being $3K per pirated work (divided up among authors, 
publishers, and some percentage for unspecified fees).

 

So this is a real thing. Here’s an NPR report about the suit and settlement:

 

https://www.npr.org/2025/09/05/nx-s1-5529404/anthropic-settlement-authors-copyright-ai

 

And here’s the official settlement website:

 

https://www.anthropiccopyrightsettlement.com/

 

That site has a lookup form where authors can see if any of their works were in 
the pirated trove (and therefore may be claimed). I found a few of mine, and, 
out of curiosity, checked a few other origami authors and found a few of their 
works, too.

 

If you have works that show up in their list, you can make a claim for each 
work. There’s much more information on the settlement site, with various 
caveats and definitions and eligibility and rules for how each settlement gets 
divvy’d up among potential claimants. Since I Am Not a Lawyer, I won’t try to 
describe it all here; I’ll just recommend that if you are an origami author, do 
a quick search on their lookup form, and if you find one or more of your books, 
read further about the claim process, and then decide if you want to move 
forward.

 

HTH,

 

Robert

 

Re: [Origami] Anthropic copyright settlement

[Tung Ken Lam via Origami]

In many countries, copyright exists as soon as you create a suitable work: you 
don't need to take any extra steps to protect your work (e.g. pay to register 
your copyright). 

As Wikipedia puts it, "The Berne Convention introduced the concept that 
protection exists the moment a work is "fixed", that is, written or recorded on 
some physical medium, and its author is automatically entitled to all 
copyrights in the work and to any derivative works, unless and until the author 
explicitly disclaims them or until the copyright expires. A creator need not 
register or "apply for" a copyright in countries adhering to the convention. It 
also enforces a requirement that countries recognize rights held by the 
citizens of all other parties to the convention. Foreign authors are given the 
same rights and privileges to copyrighted material as domestic authors in any 
country that ratified the convention." 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention







On Tuesday, 2 December 2025, 17:12:20 GMT, Laura R via Origami 
 wrote: 





Thanks. 
What’s the meaning of "AFAIK, the US is the only country that registers 
copyright like this, but IANAL”?

> On Dec 2, 2025, at 2:08 PM, Tung Ken Lam via Origami 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Laura,
> 
> From Wikipedia "Shadow libraries (also pirate libraries or black open access) 
> are online repositories of freely available digital media that are normally 
> paywalled, access-controlled, or otherwise not readily accessible"
> 
> I am avoiding listing the names of the shadow libraries here; you can find 
> them in the Wikipedia article or in stories about the Anthropic case.
> 
> Regards,
> Tung Ken
> 
> PS
> 
> AFAIK as far as I know
> IANAL I am not a lawyer
> 
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, 2 December 2025, 17:00:09 GMT, Laura R via Origami 
>  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Tung Ken, 
> Can you explain what a shadow library is about? Also, the acronyms, so us 
> laymen can understand the concepts and how that affects authors. 
> Thanks!
> Laura R. 
> 
>> On Dec 2, 2025, at 1:56 PM, Tung Ken Lam via Origami 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Quite a few origami books were in the shadow library that Anthropic 
>> downloaded, including one of mine. 
>> 
>> Unfortunately, however, these books are excluded from this settlement as US 
>> copyright registration was required before the the books were dowloaded (to 
>> qualify for non-statutory damages).
>> AFAIK, the US is the only country that registers copyright like this, but 
>> IANAL. US copyright registration is 45 USD per work 
>> https://www.copyright.gov/about/fees.html
>> 
>> Tung Ken
>> 
>> PS This case is not about the legality of training AI with copyrighted 
>> works, but the downloading of works from a shadow library.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tuesday, 2 December 2025, 16:29:35 GMT, Nicolas TERRY via Origami 
>>  wrote: 
>> 
>> This is the first time I've ever been truly disappointed that none of my 
>> books have been pirated :o)
>> 
>> Nicolas
>> 
>> 
>>>  
>> ...
>> In a nutshell, the AI firm Anthropic allegedly used a huge trove of pirated 
>> publications to train their AI model Claude; they have been sued in a class 
>> action suit, and rather than face a jury, they have offered to settle, with 
>> the settlement amount being $3K per pirated work (divided up among authors, 
>> publishers, and some percentage for unspecified fees).
>> 
>> 
>> So this is a real thing. Here’s an NPR report about the suit and settlement:
>> https://www.npr.org/2025/09/05/nx-s1-5529404/anthropic-settlement-authors-copyright-ai
>> 
>> And here’s the official settlement website:
>> 
>> https://www.anthropiccopyrightsettlement.com/
>> 
>> 
>> ...
>> 
>> Robert
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [Origami] Anthropic copyright settlement

[Laura R via Origami]

Thanks. 
What’s the meaning of "AFAIK, the US is the only country that registers 
copyright like this, but IANAL”?

> On Dec 2, 2025, at 2:08 PM, Tung Ken Lam via Origami 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Laura,
> 
> From Wikipedia "Shadow libraries (also pirate libraries or black open access) 
> are online repositories of freely available digital media that are normally 
> paywalled, access-controlled, or otherwise not readily accessible"
> 
> I am avoiding listing the names of the shadow libraries here; you can find 
> them in the Wikipedia article or in stories about the Anthropic case.
> 
> Regards,
> Tung Ken
> 
> PS
> 
> AFAIK as far as I know
> IANAL I am not a lawyer
> 
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, 2 December 2025, 17:00:09 GMT, Laura R via Origami 
>  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Tung Ken, 
> Can you explain what a shadow library is about? Also, the acronyms, so us 
> laymen can understand the concepts and how that affects authors. 
> Thanks!
> Laura R. 
> 
>> On Dec 2, 2025, at 1:56 PM, Tung Ken Lam via Origami 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Quite a few origami books were in the shadow library that Anthropic 
>> downloaded, including one of mine. 
>> 
>> Unfortunately, however, these books are excluded from this settlement as US 
>> copyright registration was required before the the books were dowloaded (to 
>> qualify for non-statutory damages).
>> AFAIK, the US is the only country that registers copyright like this, but 
>> IANAL. US copyright registration is 45 USD per work 
>> https://www.copyright.gov/about/fees.html
>> 
>> Tung Ken
>> 
>> PS This case is not about the legality of training AI with copyrighted 
>> works, but the downloading of works from a shadow library.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tuesday, 2 December 2025, 16:29:35 GMT, Nicolas TERRY via Origami 
>>  wrote: 
>> 
>> This is the first time I've ever been truly disappointed that none of my 
>> books have been pirated :o)
>> 
>> Nicolas
>> 
>> 
>>>  
>> ...
>> In a nutshell, the AI firm Anthropic allegedly used a huge trove of pirated 
>> publications to train their AI model Claude; they have been sued in a class 
>> action suit, and rather than face a jury, they have offered to settle, with 
>> the settlement amount being $3K per pirated work (divided up among authors, 
>> publishers, and some percentage for unspecified fees).
>> 
>> 
>> So this is a real thing. Here’s an NPR report about the suit and settlement:
>> https://www.npr.org/2025/09/05/nx-s1-5529404/anthropic-settlement-authors-copyright-ai
>> 
>> And here’s the official settlement website:
>> 
>> https://www.anthropiccopyrightsettlement.com/
>> 
>> 
>> ...
>> 
>> Robert
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [Origami] Anthropic copyright settlement

[Tung Ken Lam via Origami]

Hi Laura,

>From Wikipedia "Shadow libraries (also pirate libraries or black open access) 
>are online repositories of freely available digital media that are normally 
>paywalled, access-controlled, or otherwise not readily accessible"

I am avoiding listing the names of the shadow libraries here; you can find them 
in the Wikipedia article or in stories about the Anthropic case.

Regards,
Tung Ken

PS

AFAIK as far as I know
IANAL I am not a lawyer



On Tuesday, 2 December 2025, 17:00:09 GMT, Laura R via Origami 
 wrote: 





Hi Tung Ken, 
Can you explain what a shadow library is about? Also, the acronyms, so us 
laymen can understand the concepts and how that affects authors. 
Thanks!
Laura R. 

> On Dec 2, 2025, at 1:56 PM, Tung Ken Lam via Origami 
>  wrote:
> 
> Quite a few origami books were in the shadow library that Anthropic 
> downloaded, including one of mine. 
> 
> Unfortunately, however, these books are excluded from this settlement as US 
> copyright registration was required before the the books were dowloaded (to 
> qualify for non-statutory damages).
> 
> AFAIK, the US is the only country that registers copyright like this, but 
> IANAL. US copyright registration is 45 USD per work 
> https://www.copyright.gov/about/fees.html
> 
> Tung Ken
> 
> PS This case is not about the legality of training AI with copyrighted works, 
> but the downloading of works from a shadow library.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, 2 December 2025, 16:29:35 GMT, Nicolas TERRY via Origami 
>  wrote: 
> 
> This is the first time I've ever been truly disappointed that none of my 
> books have been pirated :o)
> 
> Nicolas
> 
> 
>>  
> ...
> In a nutshell, the AI firm Anthropic allegedly used a huge trove of pirated 
> publications to train their AI model Claude; they have been sued in a class 
> action suit, and rather than face a jury, they have offered to settle, with 
> the settlement amount being $3K per pirated work (divided up among authors, 
> publishers, and some percentage for unspecified fees).
> 
> 
> So this is a real thing. Here’s an NPR report about the suit and settlement:
> https://www.npr.org/2025/09/05/nx-s1-5529404/anthropic-settlement-authors-copyright-ai
> 
> And here’s the official settlement website:
> 
> https://www.anthropiccopyrightsettlement.com/
> 
> 
> ...
> 
> Robert
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: [Origami] Anthropic copyright settlement

[Laura R via Origami]

Hi Tung Ken, 
Can you explain what a shadow library is about? Also, the acronyms, so us 
laymen can understand the concepts and how that affects authors. 
Thanks!
Laura R. 

> On Dec 2, 2025, at 1:56 PM, Tung Ken Lam via Origami 
>  wrote:
> 
> Quite a few origami books were in the shadow library that Anthropic 
> downloaded, including one of mine. 
> 
> Unfortunately, however, these books are excluded from this settlement as US 
> copyright registration was required before the the books were dowloaded (to 
> qualify for non-statutory damages).
> 
> AFAIK, the US is the only country that registers copyright like this, but 
> IANAL. US copyright registration is 45 USD per work 
> https://www.copyright.gov/about/fees.html
> 
> Tung Ken
> 
> PS This case is not about the legality of training AI with copyrighted works, 
> but the downloading of works from a shadow library.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, 2 December 2025, 16:29:35 GMT, Nicolas TERRY via Origami 
>  wrote: 
> 
> This is the first time I've ever been truly disappointed that none of my 
> books have been pirated :o)
> 
> Nicolas
> 
> 
>>   
> ...
> In a nutshell, the AI firm Anthropic allegedly used a huge trove of pirated 
> publications to train their AI model Claude; they have been sued in a class 
> action suit, and rather than face a jury, they have offered to settle, with 
> the settlement amount being $3K per pirated work (divided up among authors, 
> publishers, and some percentage for unspecified fees).
> 
> 
> So this is a real thing. Here’s an NPR report about the suit and settlement:
> https://www.npr.org/2025/09/05/nx-s1-5529404/anthropic-settlement-authors-copyright-ai
> 
> And here’s the official settlement website:
> 
> https://www.anthropiccopyrightsettlement.com/
> 
> 
> ...
> 
> Robert
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: [Origami] Anthropic copyright settlement

[Tung Ken Lam via Origami]

Quite a few origami books were in the shadow library that Anthropic downloaded, 
including one of mine. 

Unfortunately, however, these books are excluded from this settlement as US 
copyright registration was required before the the books were dowloaded (to 
qualify for non-statutory damages).

AFAIK, the US is the only country that registers copyright like this, but 
IANAL. US copyright registration is 45 USD per work 
https://www.copyright.gov/about/fees.html

Tung Ken

PS This case is not about the legality of training AI with copyrighted works, 
but the downloading of works from a shadow library.




On Tuesday, 2 December 2025, 16:29:35 GMT, Nicolas TERRY via Origami 
 wrote: 

This is the first time I've ever been truly disappointed that none of my books 
have been pirated :o)

Nicolas


>  
...
In a nutshell, the AI firm Anthropic allegedly used a huge trove of pirated 
publications to train their AI model Claude; they have been sued in a class 
action suit, and rather than face a jury, they have offered to settle, with the 
settlement amount being $3K per pirated work (divided up among authors, 
publishers, and some percentage for unspecified fees).


So this is a real thing. Here’s an NPR report about the suit and settlement:
https://www.npr.org/2025/09/05/nx-s1-5529404/anthropic-settlement-authors-copyright-ai

And here’s the official settlement website:

https://www.anthropiccopyrightsettlement.com/


...

Robert

Re: [Origami] Anthropic copyright settlement

[Laura R via Origami]

😂

> On Dec 2, 2025, at 1:29 PM, Nicolas TERRY via Origami 
>  wrote:
> 
> This is the first time I've ever been truly disappointed that none of my 
> books have been pirated :o)
> 
> Nicolas
> 
> 
>> Normally, when I get an email that says something like “you’ve been chosen 
>> to receive thousands of dollars from this thing you’ve read about in the 
>> news,” I file it in the same junk folder with the offers to share millions 
>> of dollars from the widow of Saddam Hussein, the email from 
>> random-gibber...@gmail.com  that they 
>> represent the IRS and I have to give them my full banking information 
>> immediately to avoid cancellation of my everything, the notices that I’ve 
>> bought 500 bucks of Bitcoin and call this number if this is in error, and 
>> their fellow scammy brethren.
>> 
>> And then, once in a blue moon, it’s something real; and that’s the case now 
>> with the Anthropic copyright settlement.
>> 
>> In a nutshell, the AI firm Anthropic allegedly used a huge trove of pirated 
>> publications to train their AI model Claude; they have been sued in a class 
>> action suit, and rather than face a jury, they have offered to settle, with 
>> the settlement amount being $3K per pirated work (divided up among authors, 
>> publishers, and some percentage for unspecified fees).
>> 
>> So this is a real thing. Here’s an NPR report about the suit and settlement:
>> 
>> https://www.npr.org/2025/09/05/nx-s1-5529404/anthropic-settlement-authors-copyright-ai
>> 
>> And here’s the official settlement website:
>> 
>> https://www.anthropiccopyrightsettlement.com/
>> 
>> That site has a lookup form where authors can see if any of their works were 
>> in the pirated trove (and therefore may be claimed). I found a few of mine, 
>> and, out of curiosity, checked a few other origami authors and found a few 
>> of their works, too.
>> 
>> If you have works that show up in their list, you can make a claim for each 
>> work. There’s much more information on the settlement site, with various 
>> caveats and definitions and eligibility and rules for how each settlement 
>> gets divvy’d up among potential claimants. Since I Am Not a Lawyer, I won’t 
>> try to describe it all here; I’ll just recommend that if you are an origami 
>> author, do a quick search on their lookup form, and if you find one or more 
>> of your books, read further about the claim process, and then decide if you 
>> want to move forward.
>> 
>> HTH,
>> 
>> Robert
>> 
> 

Re: [Origami] Anthropic copyright settlement

[Nicolas TERRY via Origami]

This is the first time I've ever been truly disappointed that none of my 
books have been pirated :o)


Nicolas


Normally, when I get an email that says something like “you’ve been 
chosen to receive /thousands of dollars/ from this thing you’ve read 
about in the news,” I file it in the same junk folder with the offers 
to share millions of dollars from the widow of Saddam Hussein, the 
email from random-gibber...@gmail.com that they represent the IRS and 
I have to give them my full banking information immediately to avoid 
cancellation of my everything, the notices that I’ve bought 500 bucks 
of Bitcoin and call this number if this is in error, and their fellow 
scammy brethren.


And then, once in a blue moon, it’s something real; and that’s the 
case now with the Anthropic copyright settlement.


In a nutshell, the AI firm Anthropic /allegedly/ used a huge trove of 
pirated publications to train their AI model Claude; they have been 
sued in a class action suit, and rather than face a jury, they have 
offered to settle, with the settlement amount being $3K per pirated 
work (divided up among authors, publishers, and some percentage for 
unspecified fees).


So this is a real thing. Here’s an NPR report about the suit and 
settlement:


https://www.npr.org/2025/09/05/nx-s1-5529404/anthropic-settlement-authors-copyright-ai

And here’s the official settlement website:

https://www.anthropiccopyrightsettlement.com/

That site has a lookup form where authors can see if any of their 
works were in the pirated trove (and therefore may be claimed). I 
found a few of mine, and, out of curiosity, checked a few other 
origami authors and found a few of their works, too.


If you have works that show up in their list, you can make a claim for 
each work. There’s much more information on the settlement site, with 
various caveats and definitions and eligibility and rules for how each 
settlement gets divvy’d up among potential claimants. Since I Am Not a 
Lawyer, I won’t try to describe it all here; I’ll just recommend that 
if you are an origami author, do a quick search on their lookup form, 
and if you find one or more of your books, read further about the 
claim process, and then decide if you want to move forward.


HTH,

Robert