It seems that the world menu navigation is not as usable as that of Squeak.
For example, to go to full screen mode:
Squeak: click - move down - click - move down - click
Pharo: click - move down - move right - click - move down - click
What is the advantage of this way?
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Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
I would be more detailed. Why don't you say the menu labels instead of
move
xxx ?
What is the advantage of this way?
I have no idea. What I do am aware of is that we want clean and short
menus
for Pharo. Having looong list menus is unconfortable to work
Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Now sean as mariano mentioned it if some behavior are really used all time
then we will change to
make them easier to use.
I appreciate that - my purpose was about the general flow of sub-menus,
rather than that specific one, which I used as an example (but
Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Maybe they could coexist, since clicking on a menu item with a submenu
doesn't seem to do anything useful now?
Yes this is probably a good suggestion.
But if we click on a menu with a submenu what should happen?
The menu on the right should slide and replace the
thanks, found it :)
Sean DeNigris
s...@clipperadams.com
On Apr 7, 2010, at 11:55 AM, Stéphane Ducasse [via Smalltalk] wrote:
I know that people around me use Setup something
so probably somebody will mention it to you.
What you can also do is to define a Script to do it for
-line popup to
edit a paragraph-long class definition, lol! So:
- refactor source-extract method should be a single-line popup
- and, define new class-edit class definition should be a multi-liner.
Thanks for an awesome environment, and I will continue to contribute any way
I can :)
Sean P
It seems to flow better if they appeared where the user is already looking
i.e. where the active hand is.
Issue 2290 : http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2290.
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On the (on Mac) Cmd+(hold arrow) to rotate through the open windows is pretty
cool, but when you tap the arrow key (instead of holding it), it just goes
back and forth between two windows, which I can't see a use for. It seems
it would be more useful to have the behavior to be: if you hold down
I filed bugs for these:
Issue 2288: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2288 :
Sean P. DeNigris wrote:
* what is with the workflow of the default browser? When you click on a
protocol, the method template appears in the bottom pane, all highlighted
and ready to be replaced
Lukas Renggli wrote:
I don't see why not pre-selecting the template helps? I've quickly
changed that, but clicking on it doesn't select it.
If the template is not pre-selected, single clicking off the template (in
the pane below the bottom of the template) selects it. Also, I think
Lukas Renggli wrote:
I've removed the pre-selection and it does not work (or I
don't understand it).
Yes, you're right (it was working for me because I had to click there once
to deselect it, duh!). So maybe leaving it deselected and having the user
double-click is the best compromise -
Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
- We need you!
I'm in! Just submitted my first bug fix :)
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I would love to contribute to the book (I'm great at catching grammatical
mistakes as I read). It seems like a login is needed - how do I get one?
Thanks.
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I sent some fixes to the package owner, but also posted a link to the mcz
file http://seandenigris.com/files/Setup-SeanDeNigris.47.mcz here , in case
anyone wants it.
* Fix - SetupinstallDevelopment - changed from Installer (which is not
pre-installed in Pharo 1.0) to Gopher.
* Fix -
I made a slew of minor edits. Here were some impressions that I didn't have
enough information to fix:
Announcements @ http://book.pharo-project.org/book/announcements
* I'd like to see a short explanation of the trade-offs involved in
announcements vs. simple message sends. The page speaks
Tudor Girba wrote:
Indeed, please commit it directly in the Setup project.
Done. I didn't know the etiquette of posting to someone else's repository!
It even sounds wrong ;-)
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Pharo image: core
Pharo core version: PharoCore1.1ALPHA #11312
Virtual machine used: Squeak 4.2.4beta1U (Mac)
Class browser used if applicable: Browser
Steps to reproduce:
1. Click System-Software Update
'Error: can''t find EOCD position'
Hi, I think this is a common error caused by corrupt mcz files. Can
you clear your cache and try again?
Sure, how do I clear the cache? Also, it was a totally fresh image downloaded
from the site.
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Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
on which system are you?
Do you use a one click image
Pharo image: core
Pharo core version: PharoCore1.1ALPHA #11312
Virtual machine used: Squeak 4.2.4beta1U (Mac)
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Pharo image: Pharo 1.0
In Monticello Browser, when I click +Repository and select directory,
I'd love to be taken right to the directory where I keep my local
repositories, instead of having to click to the same place over and over.
I
http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2330
Pharo image: Pharo-1.0 #10517
Virtual machine used: Squeak 4.2.4beta1U (Mac)
Class browser used (if applicable): OBSystemBrowserAdaptor
Steps to reproduce:
1. In code pane of OBSystemBrowser:
a. make a change to the code
b. undo the
be added to any other package.
So this defaultDirectory would seem to be a feature not worth its
weight..
On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Sean P. DeNigris [hidden email]
wrote:
http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2329
Pharo image: Pharo 1.0
In Monticello Browser, when
Don't know if this has already mentioned, but you can
programmatically add Directory repositories as follows:
Yes, thanks. I already fixed my image, and it made my life easier, so
I wanted to contribute!
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SmalltalkImage delegates to SystemVersion. Why have both?
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Henrik Johansen wrote:
SqueakSource is currently down. We are sorry for the inconvenience and
working on the problem. In the meantime you can still commit to a
directory repository on your disk and later copy the versions to
SqueakSource.
Oh, thanks. I didn't
Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Alain is our setting expert and we gotstuck on the how do write a setting
chapter.
So I'm happy other people like you push this further.
My experience as a settings beginner. It was actually really easy because:
* '*setting*' is used everywhere, so I did a
Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Sean I cannot find your slice in the inbox.
Is it there?
I just re-uploaded. I see it there now.
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Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Pay attention FillInTheBlank does not exist anymore in 1.1
Ha ha, yes that was kind of the point of the fix ;-) FillInTheBlankMorph
works in 1.1-11317.
Or, maybe you meant the comment '(The former has no request:
initialAnswer:).' - since FillInTheBlank returns an
Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
So it would be good if we could eat the current text when doing the
substitution.
I would add one twist to that: only if the remaining part of the word
matches the tail end of the selected completion.
Equally as disruptive as what you correctly discribed is:
I just dug up MacVim to double-check...
I also always found not adding a space after completion to flow better than
having to delete the space at the end of the word, even if it may require a
few extra key strokes over the course of a line; because I don't have to do
a mental double hop to
Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Open a couple of windows
(browser, workspace, transcript, test runnerr, etc) and then, in the
world,
do a shift + click
Cool feature, thanks.
And, it seems that it shows a list of currently open windows, which is
different from 'the last three types of
There is a conversation on squeak-dev right now about how to handle world
menus / prefs / docking bar.
The participants seem to be leaning toward using pragmas, and I am a strong
voice for compatibility where we can, especially on the fundamentals.
If anyone can/wants to share their experience
Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
isn't WorkingSet something similar
WorkingSet looks way cool! It does for the browser what I was suggesting we
do for the world menu. I will code something up for everyone to play with.
Stand by...
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totally indispensible (e.g. WorkingSet, algernon). I thought it'd be great
to share what we're using to develop that makes a dramatic difference on our
productivity. And, especially whether they work in 1.0 or 1.1 or both.
Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
the menus world of pharo are dynamically generated from pragmas.
Thanks Steph, I know. What I'm getting at is if we can steer squeak to
compatibility by allaying their concerns about a pragma solution.
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I just revisited this. If you use a [fill in favorite word for
pragma/annotation here], you can have the same effect as revisit: or flag:
(or as many custom note types as you want) without adding any methods to
Object.
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Fullscreen mode does not seem to be an actual fullscreen app, but a resizable
window with no title bar or border. I find this confusing as it does not
match expected convention (on the Mac anyway).
http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2356
Steps to reproduce:
1. Go to full screen
I assumed that this method would set the contents of my TextMorph with the
given arguments. However, the contents are set before the font is changed:
string: aString fontName: aName size: aSize wrap: shouldWrap
shouldWrap
ifTrue: [self contentsWrapped: aString]
Okay, I'll file a bug and fix it soon...
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Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
This is why I would love that somebody
- look at the key binding
- look at the key binding implementation
- look at the old package supporting per editor key binding and puths
that to us
Any taker?
I'm in the process of loading KeyBinder,
Preliminarily...
Keymapping
* adds names of shortcut groups, as symbols, in a morph's extension
properties
* changes Morph
- extends with about 15 methods
- overrides handleKeystroke: to invoke any key maps before normal handling
process
KeyBinder
* registers as a keyboard listener with the
Lukas Renggli wrote:
SVI
It is a hack on top of the Pluggable Morphic editor, that is a hack on
top of the Morphic editor, that is a hack on top of the MVC editor,
that is a hack on top of the original Smalltalk-80 editor. No joke.
Hey, I'm doing research on custom key bindings in
I removed all the underscore assignments from Applescript, and manually ran
all the sample scripts that didn't require other projects - they all worked!
I uploaded the new package to http://www.squeaksource.com/Applescript.
Enjoy :)
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Alexandre Bergel wrote:
The squeaksource description of the project says Squeak front-end to
Applescript.
Can you refine a bit? I do not understand what it means.
I'm don't have access to the project, but I updated the wiki with:
Run Applescript scripts from inside your Squeak image!
Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
This is cool Sean. However, you should take care in Pharo about the
InputSensor and EventSensor. We remove them and we have now
InputEventSensor
and friends. I didn't load the packages, but just in case they
use/override
them.
Thanks for the heads up. No
I've got all three running in Squeak 4.1 trunk. Loading in Pharo will be
more complicated due to missing dependencies - maybe not worth it. It might
be better to catalogue how they work and come up with something simple and
flexible from scratch?
There is a solution brewing in my head that
Should I change the title of
http://book.pharo-project.org/book/bookHelp/viewing-the-edit-history/ to
mention RSS, to be more clear?
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I changed the page title to:
1.3 Viewing the Edit History (HTML or RSS)
Is that better?
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From post on Squeak-dev:
Tested in:
* Squeak 4.1-10145
* Pharo 1.1-11364
Squeak:
Installer ss
project: 'SPDProjectUpdates';
install: 'ConfigurationOfExternalWebBrowser'.
(Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfExternalWebBrowser) load
Pharo:
Gofer new
squeaksource: 'SPDProjectUpdates';
What is an external web browser?
What are its goals?
It's an alternative to Scamper. It forwards urls to the underlying OS's
browser e.g. on my mac, it opens the URL in a new Safari window.
And how to we use the code in this package?
ExternalWebBrowser openOnUrl: 'www.squeak.org'
I haven't
Hilaire Fernandes-6 wrote:
Is it portable to different OS? Does it use a VM plugin?
Someone on squeak-dev said it worked on Windows for them.
Not sure about plugins - Applescript and FFI are dependencies.
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I eagerly read all the discussions and offer my humble contribution (posting
to Pharo too, because I think the benefit is cross-platform):
I'm overjoyed that we are digging in and making
Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
if this is based on applescript you get the answer :)
It looks like Applescript is only necessary for pre-unix (OS X?) Macs, so
this could be removed? Also, Andreas mentioned that even Applescript could
be rewritten without its own plugin and use FFI
Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Does anybody with experience have a bit of time to get some text for the
website
You read my mind... stop that!
I've been working on this for a few days. I almost have a summary for
more-knowledgeable folks to critique.
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Motivation: I was trying to delete a category, and found SystemOrganizer via
Method Names. It wasn't immediately obvious how to use it, so I had to whip
out SBE to remind me of SystemOrganization.
In SystemOrganizer:
* Added (overrides Categorizer
Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Now can we do it better :) what I would love it if we can have
SystemOrganization be an instance variable of the SystemDictionary and
may be returned by the categorizer message sent to Smalltalk globals.
This way each instance of SystemDictionary would have its
On May 18, 2010, at 11:42 AM, Stéphane Ducasse [via Smalltalk]
ml-node+2221496-1604744895-217...@n4.nabble.co
m wrote:
Right now SystemOrganization is a global stored in SystemDictionary.
And it would be nice to have a new instance named organizer held by
SystemDictionary that points
to
Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Cool Torsten. I have just tested in Mac and I got a problem since
ExternalWebBrowserMacOS class isApplescriptAvailable uses SMSqueakMap
I had fixed this and made a new ConfigurationOf, but I don't have write
access to the EWB repo, so they are both here:
Since there is a major push in both Squeak and Pharo to be clear about what's
loading where, and get more and more projects loadable; and the community is
fixing projects that we don't own...
I propose:
1. Everyone make your SqS repos globally writable unless you have a reason
not to.
2. SqS
Yanni Chiu wrote:
I don't think using global write is the right way to fix the problem.
Why not? What is the concrete negative scenario that it creates? There are
currently many projects that have this setup, and of course it would be up
to each admin.
Has anybody out there experienced
Yanni Chiu wrote:
It's really up to each project to make it easy/hard to accept
contributions. I don't see what outsiders could do to change that, other
than to ask to become an insider.
Ah, now I see what you're saying. I actually agree. My idea is to
encourage and default to w/r,
Igor Stasenko wrote:
NB Pros:
* as well as for plugin, you can create new
functionality that doesn't exist in any library
* no need to recompile plugin/VM when you making a changes
* all your code is distributed with the Smalltalk code,
but
+1 on missing projects.
What is our plan to replace this functionality? Is the objection to the
idea of projects in general, or just the Squeak implementation?
I found it absolutely priceless to have a world for each task at hand - each
set up for a particular logical task, but having access
We can also be more rigorous about asking user questions on the user list. I
wonder what the difference is between these and Squeak-dev/beginner, which
seem to be more balanced.
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Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
to do what?
which one exactly?
The only thing I use projects for is to separate the different tasks I am
working on at the same time (like spaces on the Mac), so I can have one
world where I'm working on a client project, and a whole other world if I
find a bug in
Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Imagine that we would like to sell pharo (+ seaside) as THE agile platform
for doing TDD.
What would be the changes that we could do support it.
Coming from Ruby, it seemed like BDD was taking over the world, and was the
next step in TDD evolution, but I found few
Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
but is it not just using SSpec?
SSpec is not bad, but needs some work.
Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Did SSpec still loads?
It loads, but most of the tests fail - even though the project itself mostly
works.
Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Does it load in pharo well?
Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
what is important for me is that we distinguish what is related to the UI
flow from the loading of a specific
tests libraries.
RIght now I would like to concentrate on UI flow and tools interaction.
Oh, okay - got it. In that case:
+1 for autotest-like
Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
there is a key point in all this thread.
we are not against ideas.
Ha ha, I never thought otherwise :)
Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
We loved etoys and I did more presentations about it than probably 95%
of
the squeakers population
now we do not
Thanks for all the great feedback! It's great to discuss because it makes me
think about what's really important and why...
Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
I think we should not reinvent the wheel in Pharo. I mean, Morphic is
nice,
although I would like to have native windows so that I can
Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
I know that keith integrated SSpec and SUnit so probably there are
enhancements there.
Thanks Steph, I had checked the Testing project before and its latest
timestamp for SSpec is a few years earlier, so I think the SSpec repo has
the best version.
But it seems
laurent laffont wrote:
here's a documentation on Layout with Morphic GUI. Comments are welcome,
and
thanks to all native english people who can check the text :)
Great document! It was clear and the english was very good. I made some
small grammatical/clarity enhancements.
Also:
*
laurent laffont wrote:
Thank you !
Absolutely :) I'll have more input as I learn more.
laurent laffont wrote:
* should we include info on LayoutPolicies?
Yes ! Do you know how it works ? We should (must) add a section on this.
Could you write it ?
I'm writing some test cases for
I started a high-level overview of layouts. I first inserted it at the top
of your layout page in the book, but it's so general that it didn't seem to
flow with the rest of the tutorial. I'm thinking maybe putting it in a
separate reference section and we can refer to it from the tutorial.
Another awesome screencast! I really like the subtitles.
Two things:
1. It would be awesome to link to the ScriptManager workspaces from the web
page. I just played around in ScriptMan and found you can export to a file
- right click in top left pane, select export.
2. The part in the
For now, you can use the hack that Dale suggested in
http://groups.google.com/group/metacello/browse_thread/thread/a27c95d24974adda/31fdfa02fc18a4e3.
Take a look a ConfigurationOfGemToolsproject. In that method I created a
#'pharo1.0Beta' attribute by looking at the SystemVersion current
Levente Uzonyi-2 wrote:
=Documentation=
Nobody likes to write documentation.
I've started to enjoy writing class comments and tests. Especially when I
go back to system classes (that I figured out every last detail about) a
week later and can pick up where I left off :)
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Cool. Does it work in Squeak?
Early versions did, but I'm not sure this one does. When I first released
it, the Squeak community showed little interest, so
I focused on Pharo.
FWIW, I sorely miss it when working in Squeak.
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To get the ball moving, I ported one of the keyboard shortcut packages,
Keymapping, to Pharo. Maybe if we start playing with it, we'll see what
works and what doesn't, and use it to create something great.
The Metacello configuration is at http://www.squeaksource.com/Keymapping
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Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
I took an evening and look at Keymapper, SVI and KeyBinding based on the
image you gave me.
and here are my conclusions
- SVI seems powerful but too large and complex to me. (this is a
complete
scriptable editor from what I see)
- keyBinder was just
In working on ExternalWebBrowser, I got thinking about loading
platform-specific (i.e. Mac/Windows) code.
ExternalWebBrowser does a check in a classinitialization, and only
installs a library that is required for operation on Macs, if the image is
running on a Mac.
Something about this feels
Norbert Hartl wrote:
The initialization of ExternalWebBrowser does a Smalltalk
addToStartUpList: self.
Ha ha, I didn't know about startUp. I thought why the heck is it called
startUp... and changed it to initializeMe!
Playing with the image, and thanks to your comment, I just got an
Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
...did you know that Metacello let you
handle platform specific code?
I'm assuming you mean [Squeak|Pharo...] platform - we're talking
[Mac|Windows...]
Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Thus, you can define this in the ConfigurationOFfExternalWebBrowser, and
Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
what is the DateAndTime localOffset? Answer the duration we are offset
from UTC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time -
In casual use, when fractions of a second are not important, Greenwich Mean
Time (GMT) can be considered equivalent to UTC or
Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
ahhh sorryand what about conditional loading? and using spec:for or
something like that?
After this discussion, it seems to me that the best strategy is to load the
required code for all OSes, so the image remains cross-OS. This seems like
a better
How would I, from one image, tell another image to execute something?
I searched Google and the Squeak and Pharo lists for:
- [Pharo|Squeak] inter-image communication
- [Pharo|Squeak] script
The results included various references to old projects that I never hear
mentioned now, and
Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
rst?
RemoteSmalltalk?
rst = RemoteSmalltalk = SO COOL!!!
I easily shared objects from a Pharo 1.1 image with 4 other local images -
including a Squeak 4.1 image!
For a hoot:
1. In a Pharo 1.1 image with rST installed doit:
Transcript open.
RSTSamples
This question keeps coming up. Instead of removing the update menu item from
dev, why don't we keep it and override it to pop up a dialog with the
explanation that 1.2 will not be updated and the bleeding edge can be
downloaded at [URL]?
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Adrian Lienhard wrote:
- Photos with short summary as prototyped by Laurent
- On the main website under Community (rather than About), listed
alphabetically by first name
- People are invited to get an entry if they have contributed or if they
are in another way involved in the community
Issue: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2754
Rationale:
http://forum.world.st/Fixed-Issue-2754-DateAndTime-creation-from-string-stream-using-incorrect-default-offset-td2315601.html#a2320867
HTH,
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Adrian Lienhard wrote:
Thanks for sharing this. Is there a way you can put this online
permanently, e.g., in a small blog post? I'm sure this is going to be of
interest to other people...
Yes, I will.
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Noury Bouraqadi-2 wrote:
Yes. But, we need an appropriate set of tools. We (Douai's team) developed
a few tools a while ago as part of the UbiquiTalk project. We had a
remote-workspace working quite fine.
Is this code available? Remote workspace was the first thing I noticed
missing
Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
send the code :)
What is the status of the unique link to stable and trunk discussed at
http://forum.world.st/is-there-an-unique-URL-to-the-latest-pharo-core-or-dev-release-td2317894.html#a2317894
? Having a static url would prevent having to constantly update the
Changed world menu to show menu item in stable release images and show a
dialog explaining where to get the bleeding edge. Behavior in trunk images
is unchanged.
Issue: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2810
Fix in PharoInbox:
laurent laffont wrote:
Thank you all ! I've tried to make a Why Pharo is different screencast,
I'm pleased that it seems to work :)
These screencasts are *priceless!!!* Programming with live objects rocked
my world when I first started with Smalltalk - it was like a child learning
how to
Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Yes. I think that this is better to put it in SmalltalkImage.
Done, new version uploaded to inbox.
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