Re: [Pharo-project] Keymapping OB conflict (was Re: Chasing Browsers)

2011-12-12 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
All the compilation chain and code management and manipulation tools should be able to work on remote environment. We already discussed and I do not have the time to explain that the design of john was not taking into account that we would like to be able to work with one tool on another

Re: [Pharo-project] Keymapping OB conflict (was Re: Chasing Browsers)

2011-12-12 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Now how can we make progress if we do not change Pharo? Again, we already discussed this many times. I think Pharo is totally off the track: Pharo should concentrate on getting a stable core and enabling distributions on top, not on integrating as much new things as possible. How can

Re: [Pharo-project] Keymapping OB conflict (was Re: Chasing Browsers)

2011-12-11 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
What I would like to see happening is that - keymapping is used / integrated in Pharo 1.4 - then that OB can be loaded on top of Pharo. Remember we are not against OB we just do not have the knowledge to maintain it. So if lukas gets OB working for 1.4 beta then we will

Re: [Pharo-project] Keymapping OB conflict (was Re: Chasing Browsers)

2011-12-11 Thread Lukas Renggli
 - then that OB can be loaded on top of Pharo. Remember we are not against OB we just do not have    the knowledge to maintain it. So if lukas gets OB working for 1.4 beta then we will probably include in Pharo.    Now if OB is working for 1.4 only three months after 1.4 is released then we

Re: [Pharo-project] Keymapping OB conflict (was Re: Chasing Browsers)

2011-12-11 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Lukas I really think that you are exaggerating. Now how can we make progress if we do not change Pharo? You were against changing RB, so how can we do remote tooling? Alain fixed a lot of the problems of 1.3. I think that your bad energy will damage us and I'm immensely sad. May be a dead

Re: [Pharo-project] Keymapping OB conflict (was Re: Chasing Browsers)

2011-12-11 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Thanks for this really bad and sad message. So you are implying that Seaside, Magritte, Pier, OB, PetitParser will not be maintained on Pharo 1.4. This is important for us to know that and this is a really nice stab in our back and this will kill a lot of the effort we build over the years.

Re: [Pharo-project] Keymapping OB conflict (was Re: Chasing Browsers)

2011-12-11 Thread Tudor Girba
Hello gentlemen, Let's loosen up a bit, please :). These are important pieces that nobody wants to see remain behind. But, before we go on, we should first identify the root of these concerns. @Lukas: please, could you point out what are the expected problems? For example, all

Re: [Pharo-project] Keymapping OB conflict (was Re: Chasing Browsers)

2011-12-11 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
Hi Lukas, I just loaded Magritte2 into Pharo 1.4 and it loads well with all tests in green. Also, Magritte-Morph loads and seems to run well... just a small change: replace: PluggableListMorphOfMany with: PluggableListMorph ... beMultipleSelection (now, I want to deprecate

Re: [Pharo-project] Keymapping OB conflict (was Re: Chasing Browsers)

2011-12-11 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi, On 11 Dec 2011, at 15:49, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: Hi Lukas, I just loaded Magritte2 into Pharo 1.4 and it loads well with all tests in green. Also, Magritte-Morph loads and seems to run well... just a small change: replace: PluggableListMorphOfMany with:

Re: [Pharo-project] Keymapping OB conflict (was Re: Chasing Browsers)

2011-12-11 Thread Lukas Renggli
This is important for us to know that and this is a really nice stab in our back and this will kill a lot of the effort we build over the years. I don't understand why you think this is a stab into your back? I have repeated the same concerns over and over again. Now how can we make progress

Re: [Pharo-project] Keymapping OB conflict (was Re: Chasing Browsers)

2011-12-10 Thread Guillermo Polito
Hmm, I'll have a brief look to avoid keymapping to conflict with OB between today and tuesday. I don't think it makes sense to spend any time integrating it with OB (yet) since it's removed from Pharo 1.4. Guille On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 3:32 AM, Lukas Renggli reng...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, then

Re: [Pharo-project] Keymapping OB conflict (was Re: Chasing Browsers)

2011-12-05 Thread Lukas Renggli
Ok, then it must be something else. I don't know why this Keymapping thing, but it is unlikely to work with OB if it was not written for OB. As I said, OB managed its keybindings itself. Lukas On 5 December 2011 03:51, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote: Lukas Renggli wrote OB.

Re: [Pharo-project] Keymapping OB conflict (was Re: Chasing Browsers)

2011-12-04 Thread Lukas Renggli
Maybe you use the wrong browser? AFAIK, only OB implements it. Ahh, thank you Lukas. It seems like a bug in Keymapping. What do you think, Guillermo? Keymapping? I don't think that would work with OB that has its own keymapping. The problem you observe is a long standing bug: if you don't

Re: [Pharo-project] Keymapping OB conflict (was Re: Chasing Browsers)

2011-12-04 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
Lukas Renggli wrote OB. This means, if you select the method and press Cmd+n it should Bummer, Cmd-n with a method name selected in OB system browser still brings up the non-chasing senders browser. -- View this message in context: