Re: [plug] your own root server, anyone?
no it is not compliant with RFC 2870 (example section 3.3.2 of that RFC versus its last FAQ at https://www.orsn.org/en/faq/) fooler. On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 5:58 AM, Roberto Verzola wrote: > I don't know enough about the topic to answer this. Maybe the others can. > > Obet > > > On Tue, 23 May 2017 09:30:36 + > Justin Jereza wrote: > >> Wouldn't adhering to https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2870 regarding capacity >> and availability requirements be one of the bigger questions regarding >> this? Is there already a plan for that? >> >> Justin >> >> >> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 3:25 PM Roberto Verzola wrote: >> >> > I was hoping at least a dozen. Actually, if the moderators agree to do it >> > on this list, that should be enough too. My contact person is the guy who >> > taught the Chinese how to set up their own root DNS server (Louis Pouzin). >> > But maybe, he will ask an assistant to teach us, I don't know. >> > >> > Obet >> > > > > -- > Roberto Verzola > _ > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph _ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph
Re: [plug] your own root server, anyone?
The response was not enough, so I didn't pursue it. But I can always contact
the resource person, if there is enough interest.
On a different matter: I'm working on renewable energy nowadays. It is an
industry that's feeling the disruptive impact of
solid-state/digital/computer/information technologies, and I think IT people
might want to look into possibilities. Controllers based on open-source ideas
might find an expanding market here. For instance, grid-connected solar panels
need local intelligence to counter-act "smart" electric meters ("smart" in
maximizing benefit for the utilities that own and program them).
Regards to all,
Obet
On Thu, 25 May 2017 18:45:26 +0800
GMDumlao wrote:
> This must be one of the longest running still active (?) threads I've read.
>
>
> How goes it so far, Obet? Is it still on?
>
> G
>
> On Thursday, 30 June 2016, Roberto Verzola wrote:
> > Dear pluggers,
> >
> > I managed to get in touch with Louis Pouzin, an Internet pioneer who says
> anyone can actually create a root server, if there are others who want to
> try them out. He and colleagues operate one, called OpenRoot. He also
> helped China set up its own.
> >
> > I have asked Louis (and his colleagues) to guide me how to do it and he
> might be willing to do so. If for some reason anyone wants to set an
> alternative root server, if only for the fun of it, anyone here in plug
> wants to join me in this learning process? I suppose there are materials on
> the Internet we can read to learn this thing ourselves, but having access
> to an expert is always useful.
> >
> > We can even do it on this list itself, which might make it little bit
> more active.
> >
> > Let me know...
> >
> > Obet Verzola
> >
> >
> > --
> > Roberto Verzola
> > _
> > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List
> > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug
> > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph
> >
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Re: [plug] your own root server, anyone?
This must be one of the longest running still active (?) threads I've read. How goes it so far, Obet? Is it still on? G On Thursday, 30 June 2016, Roberto Verzola wrote: > Dear pluggers, > > I managed to get in touch with Louis Pouzin, an Internet pioneer who says anyone can actually create a root server, if there are others who want to try them out. He and colleagues operate one, called OpenRoot. He also helped China set up its own. > > I have asked Louis (and his colleagues) to guide me how to do it and he might be willing to do so. If for some reason anyone wants to set an alternative root server, if only for the fun of it, anyone here in plug wants to join me in this learning process? I suppose there are materials on the Internet we can read to learn this thing ourselves, but having access to an expert is always useful. > > We can even do it on this list itself, which might make it little bit more active. > > Let me know... > > Obet Verzola > > > -- > Roberto Verzola > _ > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > _ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph
Re: [plug] your own root server, anyone?
I don't know enough about the topic to answer this. Maybe the others can. Obet On Tue, 23 May 2017 09:30:36 + Justin Jereza wrote: > Wouldn't adhering to https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2870 regarding capacity > and availability requirements be one of the bigger questions regarding > this? Is there already a plan for that? > > Justin > > > On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 3:25 PM Roberto Verzola wrote: > > > I was hoping at least a dozen. Actually, if the moderators agree to do it > > on this list, that should be enough too. My contact person is the guy who > > taught the Chinese how to set up their own root DNS server (Louis Pouzin). > > But maybe, he will ask an assistant to teach us, I don't know. > > > > Obet > > -- Roberto Verzola _ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph
Re: [plug] your own root server, anyone?
Wouldn't adhering to https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2870 regarding capacity and availability requirements be one of the bigger questions regarding this? Is there already a plan for that? Justin On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 3:25 PM Roberto Verzola wrote: > I was hoping at least a dozen. Actually, if the moderators agree to do it > on this list, that should be enough too. My contact person is the guy who > taught the Chinese how to set up their own root DNS server (Louis Pouzin). > But maybe, he will ask an assistant to teach us, I don't know. > > Obet > _ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph
Re: [plug] your own root server, anyone?
I was hoping at least a dozen. Actually, if the moderators agree to do it on this list, that should be enough too. My contact person is the guy who taught the Chinese how to set up their own root DNS server (Louis Pouzin). But maybe, he will ask an assistant to teach us, I don't know. Obet On Tue, 23 May 2017 13:54:29 +0800 JP Loh wrote: > How many people are needed to make it possible? > > On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:35 PM, Roberto Verzola > wrote: > > > Yes, DNS root server. Unfortunately, there was not enough interest so the > > training did not materialize. But the possibility of asking him again is > > there, if there's enough interest. Regards to all, > > > > Obet > > > > > > On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 15:31:27 +0800 > > Zak Elep wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 7:02 PM, Roberto Verzola > > wrote: > > > > Dear pluggers, > > > > > > > > I managed to get in touch with Louis Pouzin, an Internet pioneer who > > says anyone can actually create a root server, if there are others who want > > to try them out. He and colleagues operate one, called OpenRoot. He also > > helped China set up its own. > > > > > > > > I have asked Louis (and his colleagues) to guide me how to do it and > > he might be willing to do so. If for some reason anyone wants to set an > > alternative root server, if only for the fun of it, anyone here in plug > > wants to join me in this learning process? I suppose there are materials on > > the Internet we can read to learn this thing ourselves, but having access > > to an expert is always useful. > > > > > > > > We can even do it on this list itself, which might make it little bit > > more active. > > > > > > Just to be clear, this is for DNS root server, right? :D > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Zakame > > > > > > -- > > > Zak B. Elep || zakame.net > > > 1486 7957 454D E529 E4F1 F75E 5787 B1FD FA53 851D > > > _ > > > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > > > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > > > > > > > > > -- > > Roberto Verzola > > _ > > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > > -- Roberto Verzola _ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph
Re: [plug] your own root server, anyone?
How many people are needed to make it possible? On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:35 PM, Roberto Verzola wrote: > Yes, DNS root server. Unfortunately, there was not enough interest so the > training did not materialize. But the possibility of asking him again is > there, if there's enough interest. Regards to all, > > Obet > > > On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 15:31:27 +0800 > Zak Elep wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 7:02 PM, Roberto Verzola > wrote: > > > Dear pluggers, > > > > > > I managed to get in touch with Louis Pouzin, an Internet pioneer who > says anyone can actually create a root server, if there are others who want > to try them out. He and colleagues operate one, called OpenRoot. He also > helped China set up its own. > > > > > > I have asked Louis (and his colleagues) to guide me how to do it and > he might be willing to do so. If for some reason anyone wants to set an > alternative root server, if only for the fun of it, anyone here in plug > wants to join me in this learning process? I suppose there are materials on > the Internet we can read to learn this thing ourselves, but having access > to an expert is always useful. > > > > > > We can even do it on this list itself, which might make it little bit > more active. > > > > Just to be clear, this is for DNS root server, right? :D > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Zakame > > > > -- > > Zak B. Elep || zakame.net > > 1486 7957 454D E529 E4F1 F75E 5787 B1FD FA53 851D > > _ > > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > > > > > -- > Roberto Verzola > _ > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > _ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph
Re: [plug] your own root server, anyone?
Yes, DNS root server. Unfortunately, there was not enough interest so the training did not materialize. But the possibility of asking him again is there, if there's enough interest. Regards to all, Obet On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 15:31:27 +0800 Zak Elep wrote: > On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 7:02 PM, Roberto Verzola wrote: > > Dear pluggers, > > > > I managed to get in touch with Louis Pouzin, an Internet pioneer who says > > anyone can actually create a root server, if there are others who want to > > try them out. He and colleagues operate one, called OpenRoot. He also > > helped China set up its own. > > > > I have asked Louis (and his colleagues) to guide me how to do it and he > > might be willing to do so. If for some reason anyone wants to set an > > alternative root server, if only for the fun of it, anyone here in plug > > wants to join me in this learning process? I suppose there are materials on > > the Internet we can read to learn this thing ourselves, but having access > > to an expert is always useful. > > > > We can even do it on this list itself, which might make it little bit more > > active. > > Just to be clear, this is for DNS root server, right? :D > > > Cheers, > > Zakame > > -- > Zak B. Elep || zakame.net > 1486 7957 454D E529 E4F1 F75E 5787 B1FD FA53 851D > _ > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > -- Roberto Verzola _ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph
Re: [plug] your own root server, anyone?
Hi Obet, I'll pass on this one. Thanks for letting us know. --- mike t. From: Roberto Verzola To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, 6 July 2016, 19:56 Subject: Re: [plug] your own root server, anyone? Ok, Juls. That makes two of us. Mike are you in? I'll give it a few more days. That should be enough for people to decide, then I'll formally request help in learning how to do it. Regards to all, Obet On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 05:02:12 -0600 Juls Briosos wrote: > Please count me in Sir Obet. > > Julius Briosos > On Jul 3, 2016 10:53 PM, "Roberto Verzola" wrote: > > > No it won't be face-to-face. I haven't made the actual arrangements. > > Maybe, if its ok with the moderator here, we can use this list. I want to > > know first if there are others who want to join me in learning, before I > > get in touch with them again. > > > > Obet > > > > On Sun, 3 Jul 2016 22:25:32 +0800 > > JP Loh wrote: > > > > > Is it going to be a face to face arrangement or some form of informal > > webinar? > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 11:07 PM, Roberto Verzola > > wrote: > > > > Yes, it is for the DNS root server. > > > > > > > > According to Louis, a root server does not have to be a monopoly. > > Anyone can set up their own. I really don't know the details, but I'm very > > interested. But learning by onesself is a lonely task. The more the > > merrier. And maybe Louis and his colleagues will be more willing to tutor > > us if there are many who will listen. > > > > > > > > Kelsey mentions a root kit server. I don't really know what this means > > or how different is it from the OpenRoot approach. > > > > > > > > Since this list has been somewhat inactive in the past months, maybe > > we can do the learning process/exchange right here? (with the moderator's > > permission of course...) > > > > > > > > Obet > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 18:40:00 +0800 > > > > Kelsey Hartigan Go wrote: > > > > > > > >> Well the other possibility is a root kit server? China was > > mentioned in > > > >> the email. 😄 > > > >> On Jul 1, 2016 15:31, "Zak Elep" wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 7:02 PM, Roberto Verzola < > > [email protected]> > > > >> > wrote: > > > >> > > Dear pluggers, > > > >> > > > > > >> > > I managed to get in touch with Louis Pouzin, an Internet pioneer > > who > > > >> > says anyone can actually create a root server, if there are others > > who want > > > >> > to try them out. He and colleagues operate one, called OpenRoot. He > > also > > > >> > helped China set up its own. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > I have asked Louis (and his colleagues) to guide me how to do it > > and he > > > >> > might be willing to do so. If for some reason anyone wants to set an > > > >> > alternative root server, if only for the fun of it, anyone here in > > plug > > > >> > wants to join me in this learning process? I suppose there are > > materials on > > > >> > the Internet we can read to learn this thing ourselves, but having > > access > > > >> > to an expert is always useful. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > We can even do it on this list itself, which might make it little > > bit > > > >> > more active. > > > >> > > > > >> > Just to be clear, this is for DNS root server, right? :D > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > Cheers, > > > >> > > > > >> > Zakame > > > >> > > > > >> > -- > > > >> > Zak B. Elep || zakame.net > > > >> > 1486 7957 454D E529 E4F1 F75E 5787 B1FD FA53 851D > > > >> > _ > > > >> > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > > > >> > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > >> > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Roberto Verzola > > > > _ > > > > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > > > > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > > > _ > > > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > > > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > > > > -- > > Roberto Verzola > > _ > > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph -- Roberto Verzola _ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph _ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph
Re: [plug] your own root server, anyone?
Yup, got that. I was pointing out the official docs as part of the learning process. :-) When RealNames was launched in the US a few years ago, they allowed for non-compliant TLD's. Basically, they sold the rights to companies who would buy them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealNames To make this work, the DNS resolvers that would use those networks would resolve only to the local root server. In many of the attempts to do this (RealNames and New.Net) relied on the non-RFC compliant Microsoft Network DNS version to hijack the DNS requests somehow. The controversy around the companies was lost in the political nature that the Internet created, and as the alternative roots ran out of money, they turned to ad sales shortly before the demise of the companies. Its noteworthy that a few of the TLDs proposed by RealNames are now mainstream. I think from a national level, having a 'local' root server for philippine based computers would help us understand our national information technology needs. Another aspect of this would be to set up our own PKS certificate authority -- this would help, specially in areas of national security concerns where the root CA is only made available to 'authorized agencies'. CAs can be used for signing as well as encrypting -- since we would be in control of the CA (instead of say a foreign company) the chance that the root cert can be subpoena'd by a foreign agency is much lower. If we set up the CA for IPSEC signing, the certs can also be used in such a way that visas are used for travel. If you have a signed cert, you can traverse our network ;-) From: Roberto Verzola To: Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Technical Discussion List Cc: Anthony Florendo Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [plug] your own root server, anyone? By the way, this is the Louis Pouzin I'm talking about: http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/workspace/open-root-and-the-grandfather-of-the-internet-97497 Obet On Fri, 8 Jul 2016 06:13:49 +0800 Roberto Verzola wrote: > Hi Anthony, > > The sites you gave are about the official Internet root servers. I'm talking > about alternatives to these servers. In the same way that Linux/GNU and FOSS > are declarations of independence from Microsoft monopoly and control and from > commercial copyrighted software in general, the open root idea is a > declaration of independence from the ICANN monopoly in assigning TLDs. > > Pls check www.open-root.eu and www.orsn.org. > > I don't really know a lot about the details. But I know that the open root > concept is also about freedom. > > By the way, I think setting up such a root might require a static IP address > for the servers, which the bigger companies may have but I don't. > > Greetings to all, > > Obet > > > On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 16:38:52 + (UTC) > Anthony Florendo wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Roberto, > > The IANA site provides some information around how to set up a root > > server.IANA — Domain Name Services > > > > > > | > > | > > | > > | | | > > > > | > > > > | > > | > > | | > > IANA — Domain Name Services > > | | > > > > | > > > > | > > > > > > > > There is also here: > > http://www.root-servers.org/ > > > > From my experience, many ISPs here in the US just run a DNS caching service > > and sometimes just ignores the TTL. Due to the sheer number of requests to > > DNS serves maintained by companies like AT&T, Verizon or Earthlink, the > > servers (or clusters) quickly become populated with almost all the servers > > that their customers visit. > > It seems they adjust the TTL to 30 mins to 4 hours, to reduce the outbound > > UDP calls required for the update > > There were also some attempts in the past to break away from the approved > > TLDs -- there were a couple of companies that set up their own root servers > > and sold "realnames" instead of the usual TLD. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Roberto Verzola > > To: [email protected] > > Cc: Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Technical Discussion List > > ; Michael Tinsay > > Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 5:27 PM > > Subject: Re: [plug] your own root server, anyone? > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > I'm only asking for interest in joining a learning process, not really > > about any commitment to set up a root server. > > > > And for further clarification: I'm not talking of DNS servers for > > subdomains,
Re: [plug] your own root server, anyone?
Is there really any more to it than 1. install bind* 2. configure it to be "authoritative for ." 3. add entries for com, org, etc...? * or whichever your favorite dns server is It would probably be less interesting to setup the root server itself than it is to setup the app / process that handles registrations. But if that were the case, you can already play around with it on your own domain... On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 8:27 AM, Roberto Verzola wrote: > Hi Mike, > > I'm only asking for interest in joining a learning process, not really about > any commitment to set up a root server. > -- This email is:[ ] actionable [ ] fyi[x] social Response needed: [ ] yes [x] up to you [ ] no Time-sensitive: [ ] immediate[ ] soon [x] none _ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph
Re: [plug] your own root server, anyone?
By the way, this is the Louis Pouzin I'm talking about: http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/workspace/open-root-and-the-grandfather-of-the-internet-97497 Obet On Fri, 8 Jul 2016 06:13:49 +0800 Roberto Verzola wrote: > Hi Anthony, > > The sites you gave are about the official Internet root servers. I'm talking > about alternatives to these servers. In the same way that Linux/GNU and FOSS > are declarations of independence from Microsoft monopoly and control and from > commercial copyrighted software in general, the open root idea is a > declaration of independence from the ICANN monopoly in assigning TLDs. > > Pls check www.open-root.eu and www.orsn.org. > > I don't really know a lot about the details. But I know that the open root > concept is also about freedom. > > By the way, I think setting up such a root might require a static IP address > for the servers, which the bigger companies may have but I don't. > > Greetings to all, > > Obet > > > On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 16:38:52 + (UTC) > Anthony Florendo wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Roberto, > > The IANA site provides some information around how to set up a root > > server.IANA — Domain Name Services > > > > > > | > > | > > | > > | || > > > > | > > > > | > > | > > | | > > IANA — Domain Name Services > >| | > > > > | > > > > | > > > > > > > > There is also here: > > http://www.root-servers.org/ > > > > From my experience, many ISPs here in the US just run a DNS caching service > > and sometimes just ignores the TTL. Due to the sheer number of requests to > > DNS serves maintained by companies like AT&T, Verizon or Earthlink, the > > servers (or clusters) quickly become populated with almost all the servers > > that their customers visit. > > It seems they adjust the TTL to 30 mins to 4 hours, to reduce the outbound > > UDP calls required for the update > > There were also some attempts in the past to break away from the approved > > TLDs -- there were a couple of companies that set up their own root servers > > and sold "realnames" instead of the usual TLD. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Roberto Verzola > > To: [email protected] > > Cc: Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Technical Discussion List > > ; Michael Tinsay > > Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 5:27 PM > > Subject: Re: [plug] your own root server, anyone? > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > I'm only asking for interest in joining a learning process, not really > > about any commitment to set up a root server. > > > > And for further clarification: I'm not talking of DNS servers for > > subdomains, which a big firm might want to do. I'm talking of alternatives > > to the ICANN root server. At least two already exist that I know of, the > > OpenRoot initiative maintains one, and China does too, I am told. > > > > Greetings to all, > > > > Obet > > > > > > On Mon, 4 Jul 2016 08:26:04 + (UTC) > > Michael Tinsay wrote: > > > > > Setting up a root server and operating one, while it goes hand in hand, > > > are two different matters, IMO. At the very least, Obet is inviting us > > > for the former. I am interested, but am on the fence about participating > > > because I'm also thinking of the latter, as it will, for me, justify > > > learning the former. Setting up a root DNS server behind the firewall, > > > as fooler points out, can contribute to the security of the enterprise > > > network. I'm unsure if I can commit to setup and operate one for my > > > present employer. Hence, sitting on the fence for now. > > > > > > From: GMDumlao > > > To: Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Technical Discussion List > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, 3 July 2016, 20:10 > > > Subject: Re: [plug] your own root server, anyone? > > > > > > Of important consideration here are the logistics and business continuity > > > of high availability servers for the purpose. Root server - therefore > > > implying the need for those qualities - lacking those, a root server it > > > ain't. > > > > > > Glenn > > > > > > On Saturday, 2 July 2016, Roberto Verzola wrote: > > > > Hi fooler, > > >
Re: [plug] your own root server, anyone?
Hi Anthony, The sites you gave are about the official Internet root servers. I'm talking about alternatives to these servers. In the same way that Linux/GNU and FOSS are declarations of independence from Microsoft monopoly and control and from commercial copyrighted software in general, the open root idea is a declaration of independence from the ICANN monopoly in assigning TLDs. Pls check www.open-root.eu and www.orsn.org. I don't really know a lot about the details. But I know that the open root concept is also about freedom. By the way, I think setting up such a root might require a static IP address for the servers, which the bigger companies may have but I don't. Greetings to all, Obet On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 16:38:52 + (UTC) Anthony Florendo wrote: > > > > Hi Roberto, > The IANA site provides some information around how to set up a root > server.IANA — Domain Name Services > > > | > | > | > | || > > | > > | > | > | | > IANA — Domain Name Services >| | > > | > > | > > > > There is also here: > http://www.root-servers.org/ > > From my experience, many ISPs here in the US just run a DNS caching service > and sometimes just ignores the TTL. Due to the sheer number of requests to > DNS serves maintained by companies like AT&T, Verizon or Earthlink, the > servers (or clusters) quickly become populated with almost all the servers > that their customers visit. > It seems they adjust the TTL to 30 mins to 4 hours, to reduce the outbound > UDP calls required for the update > There were also some attempts in the past to break away from the approved > TLDs -- there were a couple of companies that set up their own root servers > and sold "realnames" instead of the usual TLD. > > > > > > From: Roberto Verzola > To: [email protected] > Cc: Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Technical Discussion List > ; Michael Tinsay > Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 5:27 PM > Subject: Re: [plug] your own root server, anyone? > > Hi Mike, > > I'm only asking for interest in joining a learning process, not really about > any commitment to set up a root server. > > And for further clarification: I'm not talking of DNS servers for subdomains, > which a big firm might want to do. I'm talking of alternatives to the ICANN > root server. At least two already exist that I know of, the OpenRoot > initiative maintains one, and China does too, I am told. > > Greetings to all, > > Obet > > > On Mon, 4 Jul 2016 08:26:04 + (UTC) > Michael Tinsay wrote: > > > Setting up a root server and operating one, while it goes hand in hand, are > > two different matters, IMO. At the very least, Obet is inviting us for the > > former. I am interested, but am on the fence about participating because > > I'm also thinking of the latter, as it will, for me, justify learning the > > former. Setting up a root DNS server behind the firewall, as fooler points > > out, can contribute to the security of the enterprise network. I'm unsure > > if I can commit to setup and operate one for my present employer. Hence, > > sitting on the fence for now. > > > > From: GMDumlao > > To: Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Technical Discussion List > > > > Sent: Sunday, 3 July 2016, 20:10 > > Subject: Re: [plug] your own root server, anyone? > > > > Of important consideration here are the logistics and business continuity > > of high availability servers for the purpose. Root server - therefore > > implying the need for those qualities - lacking those, a root server it > > ain't. > > > > Glenn > > > > On Saturday, 2 July 2016, Roberto Verzola wrote: > > > Hi fooler, > > > > > > It is good for me, for all kinds of reasons. And I will leave it to > > > people to decide if it will be good for them, for whatever reason. If > > > not, they can simply not join. And probably we will also realize what > > > other reasons it is good for, after we learn how to do it. > > > > > > Obet > > > > > > On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 22:47:53 -0400 > > > fooler mail wrote: > > > > > >> On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 10:28 PM, Michael Tinsay > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> > Aside from the learning experience one gets in setting up a DNS root > > >> > server, what would it be good for? > > >> > > > >> > > >> according in their faq >
Re: [plug] your own root server, anyone?
Hi Roberto, The IANA site provides some information around how to set up a root server.IANA — Domain Name Services | | | | || | | | | | IANA — Domain Name Services | | | | There is also here: http://www.root-servers.org/ >From my experience, many ISPs here in the US just run a DNS caching service >and sometimes just ignores the TTL. Due to the sheer number of requests to >DNS serves maintained by companies like AT&T, Verizon or Earthlink, the >servers (or clusters) quickly become populated with almost all the servers >that their customers visit. It seems they adjust the TTL to 30 mins to 4 hours, to reduce the outbound UDP calls required for the update There were also some attempts in the past to break away from the approved TLDs -- there were a couple of companies that set up their own root servers and sold "realnames" instead of the usual TLD. From: Roberto Verzola To: [email protected] Cc: Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Technical Discussion List ; Michael Tinsay Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [plug] your own root server, anyone? Hi Mike, I'm only asking for interest in joining a learning process, not really about any commitment to set up a root server. And for further clarification: I'm not talking of DNS servers for subdomains, which a big firm might want to do. I'm talking of alternatives to the ICANN root server. At least two already exist that I know of, the OpenRoot initiative maintains one, and China does too, I am told. Greetings to all, Obet On Mon, 4 Jul 2016 08:26:04 + (UTC) Michael Tinsay wrote: > Setting up a root server and operating one, while it goes hand in hand, are > two different matters, IMO. At the very least, Obet is inviting us for the > former. I am interested, but am on the fence about participating because I'm > also thinking of the latter, as it will, for me, justify learning the former. > Setting up a root DNS server behind the firewall, as fooler points out, can > contribute to the security of the enterprise network. I'm unsure if I can > commit to setup and operate one for my present employer. Hence, sitting on > the fence for now. > > From: GMDumlao > To: Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Technical Discussion List > > Sent: Sunday, 3 July 2016, 20:10 > Subject: Re: [plug] your own root server, anyone? > > Of important consideration here are the logistics and business continuity of > high availability servers for the purpose. Root server - therefore implying > the need for those qualities - lacking those, a root server it ain't. > > Glenn > > On Saturday, 2 July 2016, Roberto Verzola wrote: > > Hi fooler, > > > > It is good for me, for all kinds of reasons. And I will leave it to people > > to decide if it will be good for them, for whatever reason. If not, they > > can simply not join. And probably we will also realize what other reasons > > it is good for, after we learn how to do it. > > > > Obet > > > > On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 22:47:53 -0400 > > fooler mail wrote: > > > >> On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 10:28 PM, Michael Tinsay wrote: > >> > >> > Aside from the learning experience one gets in setting up a DNS root > >> > server, what would it be good for? > >> > > >> > >> according in their faq > >> > >> https://www.orsn.org/en/faq/ > >> > >> security against manipulation.. > >> > >> fooler. > > > > > > -- > > Roberto Verzola > > _ > > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > > > _ > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > > -- Roberto Verzola _ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph _ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph
Re: [plug] your own root server, anyone?
I'm in. Won't set up a root server as well. I remember seeing an IETF RFC a couple of years back authored by some people from China. I think it was some proposal to adjust DNS standards such that it extends the GFW's censorship's effectiveness. On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 7:56 PM, Roberto Verzola wrote: > Ok, Juls. That makes two of us. Mike are you in? I'll give it a few more > days. That should be enough for people to decide, then I'll formally request > help in learning how to do it. Regards to all, > > Obet > > On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 05:02:12 -0600 > Juls Briosos wrote: > >> Please count me in Sir Obet. >> >> Julius Briosos >> On Jul 3, 2016 10:53 PM, "Roberto Verzola" wrote: >> >> > No it won't be face-to-face. I haven't made the actual arrangements. >> > Maybe, if its ok with the moderator here, we can use this list. I want to >> > know first if there are others who want to join me in learning, before I >> > get in touch with them again. >> > >> > Obet >> > >> > On Sun, 3 Jul 2016 22:25:32 +0800 >> > JP Loh wrote: >> > >> > > Is it going to be a face to face arrangement or some form of informal >> > webinar? >> > > >> > > On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 11:07 PM, Roberto Verzola >> > wrote: >> > > > Yes, it is for the DNS root server. >> > > > >> > > > According to Louis, a root server does not have to be a monopoly. >> > Anyone can set up their own. I really don't know the details, but I'm very >> > interested. But learning by onesself is a lonely task. The more the >> > merrier. And maybe Louis and his colleagues will be more willing to tutor >> > us if there are many who will listen. >> > > > >> > > > Kelsey mentions a root kit server. I don't really know what this means >> > or how different is it from the OpenRoot approach. >> > > > >> > > > Since this list has been somewhat inactive in the past months, maybe >> > we can do the learning process/exchange right here? (with the moderator's >> > permission of course...) >> > > > >> > > > Obet >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 18:40:00 +0800 >> > > > Kelsey Hartigan Go wrote: >> > > > >> > > >> Well the other possibility is a root kit server? China was >> > mentioned in >> > > >> the email. 😄 >> > > >> On Jul 1, 2016 15:31, "Zak Elep" wrote: >> > > >> >> > > >> > On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 7:02 PM, Roberto Verzola < >> > [email protected]> >> > > >> > wrote: >> > > >> > > Dear pluggers, >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > I managed to get in touch with Louis Pouzin, an Internet pioneer >> > who >> > > >> > says anyone can actually create a root server, if there are others >> > who want >> > > >> > to try them out. He and colleagues operate one, called OpenRoot. He >> > also >> > > >> > helped China set up its own. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > I have asked Louis (and his colleagues) to guide me how to do it >> > and he >> > > >> > might be willing to do so. If for some reason anyone wants to set an >> > > >> > alternative root server, if only for the fun of it, anyone here in >> > plug >> > > >> > wants to join me in this learning process? I suppose there are >> > materials on >> > > >> > the Internet we can read to learn this thing ourselves, but having >> > access >> > > >> > to an expert is always useful. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > We can even do it on this list itself, which might make it little >> > bit >> > > >> > more active. >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Just to be clear, this is for DNS root server, right? :D >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Cheers, >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Zakame >> > > >> > >> > > >> > -- >> > > >> > Zak B. Elep || zakame.net >> > > >> > 1486 7957 454D E529 E4F1 F75E 5787 B1FD FA53 851D >> > > >> > _ >> > > >> > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >> > > >> > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >> > > >> > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > Roberto Verzola >> > > > _ >> > > > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >> > > > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >> > > > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >> > > _ >> > > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >> > > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >> > > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >> > >> > -- >> > Roberto Verzola >> > _ >> > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >> > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >> > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > > > -- > Roberto Verzola > _ > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph _ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List
Re: [plug] your own root server, anyone?
Ok, Juls. That makes two of us. Mike are you in? I'll give it a few more days. That should be enough for people to decide, then I'll formally request help in learning how to do it. Regards to all, Obet On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 05:02:12 -0600 Juls Briosos wrote: > Please count me in Sir Obet. > > Julius Briosos > On Jul 3, 2016 10:53 PM, "Roberto Verzola" wrote: > > > No it won't be face-to-face. I haven't made the actual arrangements. > > Maybe, if its ok with the moderator here, we can use this list. I want to > > know first if there are others who want to join me in learning, before I > > get in touch with them again. > > > > Obet > > > > On Sun, 3 Jul 2016 22:25:32 +0800 > > JP Loh wrote: > > > > > Is it going to be a face to face arrangement or some form of informal > > webinar? > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 11:07 PM, Roberto Verzola > > wrote: > > > > Yes, it is for the DNS root server. > > > > > > > > According to Louis, a root server does not have to be a monopoly. > > Anyone can set up their own. I really don't know the details, but I'm very > > interested. But learning by onesself is a lonely task. The more the > > merrier. And maybe Louis and his colleagues will be more willing to tutor > > us if there are many who will listen. > > > > > > > > Kelsey mentions a root kit server. I don't really know what this means > > or how different is it from the OpenRoot approach. > > > > > > > > Since this list has been somewhat inactive in the past months, maybe > > we can do the learning process/exchange right here? (with the moderator's > > permission of course...) > > > > > > > > Obet > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 18:40:00 +0800 > > > > Kelsey Hartigan Go wrote: > > > > > > > >> Well the other possibility is a root kit server? China was > > mentioned in > > > >> the email. 😄 > > > >> On Jul 1, 2016 15:31, "Zak Elep" wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 7:02 PM, Roberto Verzola < > > [email protected]> > > > >> > wrote: > > > >> > > Dear pluggers, > > > >> > > > > > >> > > I managed to get in touch with Louis Pouzin, an Internet pioneer > > who > > > >> > says anyone can actually create a root server, if there are others > > who want > > > >> > to try them out. He and colleagues operate one, called OpenRoot. He > > also > > > >> > helped China set up its own. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > I have asked Louis (and his colleagues) to guide me how to do it > > and he > > > >> > might be willing to do so. If for some reason anyone wants to set an > > > >> > alternative root server, if only for the fun of it, anyone here in > > plug > > > >> > wants to join me in this learning process? I suppose there are > > materials on > > > >> > the Internet we can read to learn this thing ourselves, but having > > access > > > >> > to an expert is always useful. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > We can even do it on this list itself, which might make it little > > bit > > > >> > more active. > > > >> > > > > >> > Just to be clear, this is for DNS root server, right? :D > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > Cheers, > > > >> > > > > >> > Zakame > > > >> > > > > >> > -- > > > >> > Zak B. Elep || zakame.net > > > >> > 1486 7957 454D E529 E4F1 F75E 5787 B1FD FA53 851D > > > >> > _ > > > >> > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > > > >> > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > >> > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Roberto Verzola > > > > _ > > > > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > > > > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > > > _ > > > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > > > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > > > > -- > > Roberto Verzola > > _ > > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph -- Roberto Verzola _ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph
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Please count me in Sir Obet. Julius Briosos On Jul 3, 2016 10:53 PM, "Roberto Verzola" wrote: > No it won't be face-to-face. I haven't made the actual arrangements. > Maybe, if its ok with the moderator here, we can use this list. I want to > know first if there are others who want to join me in learning, before I > get in touch with them again. > > Obet > > On Sun, 3 Jul 2016 22:25:32 +0800 > JP Loh wrote: > > > Is it going to be a face to face arrangement or some form of informal > webinar? > > > > On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 11:07 PM, Roberto Verzola > wrote: > > > Yes, it is for the DNS root server. > > > > > > According to Louis, a root server does not have to be a monopoly. > Anyone can set up their own. I really don't know the details, but I'm very > interested. But learning by onesself is a lonely task. The more the > merrier. And maybe Louis and his colleagues will be more willing to tutor > us if there are many who will listen. > > > > > > Kelsey mentions a root kit server. I don't really know what this means > or how different is it from the OpenRoot approach. > > > > > > Since this list has been somewhat inactive in the past months, maybe > we can do the learning process/exchange right here? (with the moderator's > permission of course...) > > > > > > Obet > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 18:40:00 +0800 > > > Kelsey Hartigan Go wrote: > > > > > >> Well the other possibility is a root kit server? China was > mentioned in > > >> the email. 😄 > > >> On Jul 1, 2016 15:31, "Zak Elep" wrote: > > >> > > >> > On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 7:02 PM, Roberto Verzola < > [email protected]> > > >> > wrote: > > >> > > Dear pluggers, > > >> > > > > >> > > I managed to get in touch with Louis Pouzin, an Internet pioneer > who > > >> > says anyone can actually create a root server, if there are others > who want > > >> > to try them out. He and colleagues operate one, called OpenRoot. He > also > > >> > helped China set up its own. > > >> > > > > >> > > I have asked Louis (and his colleagues) to guide me how to do it > and he > > >> > might be willing to do so. If for some reason anyone wants to set an > > >> > alternative root server, if only for the fun of it, anyone here in > plug > > >> > wants to join me in this learning process? I suppose there are > materials on > > >> > the Internet we can read to learn this thing ourselves, but having > access > > >> > to an expert is always useful. > > >> > > > > >> > > We can even do it on this list itself, which might make it little > bit > > >> > more active. > > >> > > > >> > Just to be clear, this is for DNS root server, right? :D > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Cheers, > > >> > > > >> > Zakame > > >> > > > >> > -- > > >> > Zak B. Elep || zakame.net > > >> > 1486 7957 454D E529 E4F1 F75E 5787 B1FD FA53 851D > > >> > _ > > >> > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > > >> > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > > >> > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Roberto Verzola > > > _ > > > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > > > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > > _ > > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > > -- > Roberto Verzola > _ > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph _ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph
Re: [plug] your own root server, anyone?
Hi Mike, I'm only asking for interest in joining a learning process, not really about any commitment to set up a root server. And for further clarification: I'm not talking of DNS servers for subdomains, which a big firm might want to do. I'm talking of alternatives to the ICANN root server. At least two already exist that I know of, the OpenRoot initiative maintains one, and China does too, I am told. Greetings to all, Obet On Mon, 4 Jul 2016 08:26:04 + (UTC) Michael Tinsay wrote: > Setting up a root server and operating one, while it goes hand in hand, are > two different matters, IMO. At the very least, Obet is inviting us for the > former. I am interested, but am on the fence about participating because I'm > also thinking of the latter, as it will, for me, justify learning the former. > Setting up a root DNS server behind the firewall, as fooler points out, can > contribute to the security of the enterprise network. I'm unsure if I can > commit to setup and operate one for my present employer. Hence, sitting on > the fence for now. > > From: GMDumlao > To: Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Technical Discussion List > > Sent: Sunday, 3 July 2016, 20:10 > Subject: Re: [plug] your own root server, anyone? > > Of important consideration here are the logistics and business continuity of > high availability servers for the purpose. Root server - therefore implying > the need for those qualities - lacking those, a root server it ain't. > > Glenn > > On Saturday, 2 July 2016, Roberto Verzola wrote: > > Hi fooler, > > > > It is good for me, for all kinds of reasons. And I will leave it to people > > to decide if it will be good for them, for whatever reason. If not, they > > can simply not join. And probably we will also realize what other reasons > > it is good for, after we learn how to do it. > > > > Obet > > > > On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 22:47:53 -0400 > > fooler mail wrote: > > > >> On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 10:28 PM, Michael Tinsay wrote: > >> > >> > Aside from the learning experience one gets in setting up a DNS root > >> > server, what would it be good for? > >> > > >> > >> according in their faq > >> > >> https://www.orsn.org/en/faq/ > >> > >> security against manipulation.. > >> > >> fooler. > > > > > > -- > > Roberto Verzola > > _ > > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > > > _ > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > > -- Roberto Verzola _ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph
Re: [plug] your own root server, anyone?
Setting up a root server and operating one, while it goes hand in hand, are two different matters, IMO. At the very least, Obet is inviting us for the former. I am interested, but am on the fence about participating because I'm also thinking of the latter, as it will, for me, justify learning the former. Setting up a root DNS server behind the firewall, as fooler points out, can contribute to the security of the enterprise network. I'm unsure if I can commit to setup and operate one for my present employer. Hence, sitting on the fence for now. From: GMDumlao To: Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Technical Discussion List Sent: Sunday, 3 July 2016, 20:10 Subject: Re: [plug] your own root server, anyone? Of important consideration here are the logistics and business continuity of high availability servers for the purpose. Root server - therefore implying the need for those qualities - lacking those, a root server it ain't. Glenn On Saturday, 2 July 2016, Roberto Verzola wrote: > Hi fooler, > > It is good for me, for all kinds of reasons. And I will leave it to people to > decide if it will be good for them, for whatever reason. If not, they can > simply not join. And probably we will also realize what other reasons it is > good for, after we learn how to do it. > > Obet > > On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 22:47:53 -0400 > fooler mail wrote: > >> On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 10:28 PM, Michael Tinsay wrote: >> >> > Aside from the learning experience one gets in setting up a DNS root >> > server, what would it be good for? >> > >> >> according in their faq >> >> https://www.orsn.org/en/faq/ >> >> security against manipulation.. >> >> fooler. > > > -- > Roberto Verzola > _ > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > _ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph _ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph
Re: [plug] your own root server, anyone?
No it won't be face-to-face. I haven't made the actual arrangements. Maybe, if its ok with the moderator here, we can use this list. I want to know first if there are others who want to join me in learning, before I get in touch with them again. Obet On Sun, 3 Jul 2016 22:25:32 +0800 JP Loh wrote: > Is it going to be a face to face arrangement or some form of informal webinar? > > On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 11:07 PM, Roberto Verzola wrote: > > Yes, it is for the DNS root server. > > > > According to Louis, a root server does not have to be a monopoly. Anyone > > can set up their own. I really don't know the details, but I'm very > > interested. But learning by onesself is a lonely task. The more the > > merrier. And maybe Louis and his colleagues will be more willing to tutor > > us if there are many who will listen. > > > > Kelsey mentions a root kit server. I don't really know what this means or > > how different is it from the OpenRoot approach. > > > > Since this list has been somewhat inactive in the past months, maybe we can > > do the learning process/exchange right here? (with the moderator's > > permission of course...) > > > > Obet > > > > > > On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 18:40:00 +0800 > > Kelsey Hartigan Go wrote: > > > >> Well the other possibility is a root kit server? China was mentioned in > >> the email. 😄 > >> On Jul 1, 2016 15:31, "Zak Elep" wrote: > >> > >> > On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 7:02 PM, Roberto Verzola > >> > wrote: > >> > > Dear pluggers, > >> > > > >> > > I managed to get in touch with Louis Pouzin, an Internet pioneer who > >> > says anyone can actually create a root server, if there are others who > >> > want > >> > to try them out. He and colleagues operate one, called OpenRoot. He also > >> > helped China set up its own. > >> > > > >> > > I have asked Louis (and his colleagues) to guide me how to do it and he > >> > might be willing to do so. If for some reason anyone wants to set an > >> > alternative root server, if only for the fun of it, anyone here in plug > >> > wants to join me in this learning process? I suppose there are materials > >> > on > >> > the Internet we can read to learn this thing ourselves, but having access > >> > to an expert is always useful. > >> > > > >> > > We can even do it on this list itself, which might make it little bit > >> > more active. > >> > > >> > Just to be clear, this is for DNS root server, right? :D > >> > > >> > > >> > Cheers, > >> > > >> > Zakame > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Zak B. Elep || zakame.net > >> > 1486 7957 454D E529 E4F1 F75E 5787 B1FD FA53 851D > >> > _ > >> > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > >> > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > >> > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > >> > > > > > > > -- > > Roberto Verzola > > _ > > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > _ > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph -- Roberto Verzola _ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph
Re: [plug] your own root server, anyone?
Is it going to be a face to face arrangement or some form of informal webinar? On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 11:07 PM, Roberto Verzola wrote: > Yes, it is for the DNS root server. > > According to Louis, a root server does not have to be a monopoly. Anyone can > set up their own. I really don't know the details, but I'm very interested. > But learning by onesself is a lonely task. The more the merrier. And maybe > Louis and his colleagues will be more willing to tutor us if there are many > who will listen. > > Kelsey mentions a root kit server. I don't really know what this means or how > different is it from the OpenRoot approach. > > Since this list has been somewhat inactive in the past months, maybe we can > do the learning process/exchange right here? (with the moderator's permission > of course...) > > Obet > > > On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 18:40:00 +0800 > Kelsey Hartigan Go wrote: > >> Well the other possibility is a root kit server? China was mentioned in >> the email. 😄 >> On Jul 1, 2016 15:31, "Zak Elep" wrote: >> >> > On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 7:02 PM, Roberto Verzola >> > wrote: >> > > Dear pluggers, >> > > >> > > I managed to get in touch with Louis Pouzin, an Internet pioneer who >> > says anyone can actually create a root server, if there are others who want >> > to try them out. He and colleagues operate one, called OpenRoot. He also >> > helped China set up its own. >> > > >> > > I have asked Louis (and his colleagues) to guide me how to do it and he >> > might be willing to do so. If for some reason anyone wants to set an >> > alternative root server, if only for the fun of it, anyone here in plug >> > wants to join me in this learning process? I suppose there are materials on >> > the Internet we can read to learn this thing ourselves, but having access >> > to an expert is always useful. >> > > >> > > We can even do it on this list itself, which might make it little bit >> > more active. >> > >> > Just to be clear, this is for DNS root server, right? :D >> > >> > >> > Cheers, >> > >> > Zakame >> > >> > -- >> > Zak B. Elep || zakame.net >> > 1486 7957 454D E529 E4F1 F75E 5787 B1FD FA53 851D >> > _ >> > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >> > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >> > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >> > > > > -- > Roberto Verzola > _ > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph _ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph
Re: [plug] your own root server, anyone?
Of important consideration here are the logistics and business continuity of high availability servers for the purpose. Root server - therefore implying the need for those qualities - lacking those, a root server it ain't. Glenn On Saturday, 2 July 2016, Roberto Verzola wrote: > Hi fooler, > > It is good for me, for all kinds of reasons. And I will leave it to people to decide if it will be good for them, for whatever reason. If not, they can simply not join. And probably we will also realize what other reasons it is good for, after we learn how to do it. > > Obet > > On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 22:47:53 -0400 > fooler mail wrote: > >> On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 10:28 PM, Michael Tinsay wrote: >> >> > Aside from the learning experience one gets in setting up a DNS root >> > server, what would it be good for? >> > >> >> according in their faq >> >> https://www.orsn.org/en/faq/ >> >> security against manipulation.. >> >> fooler. > > > -- > Roberto Verzola > _ > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > _ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph
Re: [plug] your own root server, anyone?
Hi fooler, It is good for me, for all kinds of reasons. And I will leave it to people to decide if it will be good for them, for whatever reason. If not, they can simply not join. And probably we will also realize what other reasons it is good for, after we learn how to do it. Obet On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 22:47:53 -0400 fooler mail wrote: > On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 10:28 PM, Michael Tinsay wrote: > > > Aside from the learning experience one gets in setting up a DNS root > > server, what would it be good for? > > > > according in their faq > > https://www.orsn.org/en/faq/ > > security against manipulation.. > > fooler. -- Roberto Verzola _ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph
Re: [plug] your own root server, anyone?
On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 10:28 PM, Michael Tinsay wrote: > Aside from the learning experience one gets in setting up a DNS root > server, what would it be good for? > according in their faq https://www.orsn.org/en/faq/ security against manipulation.. fooler. _ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph
Re: [plug] your own root server, anyone?
domain name system or dns is a service to map names into ip address as end to end communication is done via ip address and not thru names... humans are easily to remember names than numbers.. the growth of number of hosts on the internet is hardly to maintain in your /etc/hosts file.. hence the birth of dns... dns name space is hierarchical.. similar to the unix filesystem... the dns root which is the dot (.) is equivalent to root or forward slash (/) in unix filesystem.. dns top level domain or first level domain like com, edu, org, ph is equivalent to sub folder under root filesystem.. the second level domain is the child sub folder of its parent sub folder under root filesystem... here is how dns works when an application (eg. ping, telnet, browser, ssh, etc) resolve the name to an ip address in linux system... for example you ping www.xxx.com... the ping application make a function call gethostbyaddr(3)... that function consult your /etc/nsswitch.conf settings $ grep ^hosts /etc/nsswitch.conf hosts: files dns the order of "hosts" lookup is that it will consult the "files" first which is your /etc/hosts file... if www.xxx.com is found there.. it will return the ip address... if not it will consult "dns" which is your dns resolver found in /etc/resolv.conf.. $ grep nameserver /etc/resolv.conf nameserver AAA.BBB.CCC.DDD nameserver EEE.FFF.GGG. application will asks dns resolver server AAA.BBB.CCC.DDD that what is the IP address of www.xxx.com? if the name being asked found in its dns cache.. it will return the ip address back to the application... if not in its dns cache... your dns resolver server and not the application will asks root dns server(s)... it asks root dns server what is the ip address of www.xxx.com? .. root dns server will response since im not the authoritative zone of www.xxx.com... ill give you the list of all .com servers as referral.. dns resolver server AAA.BBB.CCC.DDD asks one of those .com servers.. what is the ip address of www.xxx.com? that .com server will response since im not the authoritative of www.xxx.com... ill give you the list or the dns server of xxx.com dns resolver server asks xxx.com dns server, what is the ip address of www.xxx.com.. because xxx.com dns server is the authoritative zone of that name... it will look at its database if there is an entry for www.xxx.com.. if there is.. it will return the ip address... otherwise it will return an error code 3 (or name doesnt exist.. see rfc 1035 section 4.1.1 for more details) dns resolver AAA.BBB.CCC.DDD will store the information www.xxx.com in its dns cache and it will only expire once the ttl value got from the authoritative zone goes to zero.. and the dns resolver return the ip address of www.xxx.com back to the application.. and the application can now communicate thru ip addresss... in case dns resolver AAA.BBB.CCC.DDD is down or not responding.. gethostbyaddr(3) will consult EEE.FFF.GGG... to see the action that i mentioned above.. we will use dig as the application to trace the delegation or referral until it reaches the authoritative zone of xxx.com $ dig +trace www.xxx.com ; <<>> DiG 9.8.2rc1-RedHat-9.8.2-0.37.rc1.el6_7.6 <<>> +trace www.xxx.com ;; global options: +cmd . 226540 IN NS j.root-servers.net. . 226540 IN NS c.root-servers.net. . 226540 IN NS i.root-servers.net. . 226540 IN NS d.root-servers.net. . 226540 IN NS e.root-servers.net. . 226540 IN NS b.root-servers.net. . 226540 IN NS l.root-servers.net. . 226540 IN NS h.root-servers.net. . 226540 IN NS g.root-servers.net. . 226540 IN NS k.root-servers.net. . 226540 IN NS f.root-servers.net. . 226540 IN NS m.root-servers.net. . 226540 IN NS a.root-servers.net. ;; Received 228 bytes from 10.228.31.90#53(10.228.31.90) in 12 ms com.172800 IN NS e.gtld-servers.net. com.172800 IN NS b.gtld-servers.net. com.172800 IN NS j.gtld-servers.net. com.172800 IN NS m.gtld-servers.net. com.172800 IN NS i.gtld-servers.net. com.172800 IN NS f.gtld-servers.net. com.172800 IN NS a.gtld-servers.net. com.172800 IN NS g.gtld-servers.net. com.172800 IN NS h.gtld-servers.net. com.172800 IN NS l.gtld-servers.net. com.172800 IN NS k.gtld-servers.net. com.172800 IN NS
Re: [plug] your own root server, anyone?
Aside from the learning experience one gets in setting up a DNS root server, what would it be good for? From: Juls Briosos To: The Main Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Discussion List Sent: Saturday, 2 July 2016, 2:28 Subject: Re: [plug] your own root server, anyone? Kelsey :-):-) :-) spies might be listening on this thread..On Jul 2, 2016 12:37 AM, "Roberto Verzola" wrote: Yes, it is for the DNS root server. According to Louis, a root server does not have to be a monopoly. Anyone can set up their own. I really don't know the details, but I'm very interested. But learning by onesself is a lonely task. The more the merrier. And maybe Louis and his colleagues will be more willing to tutor us if there are many who will listen. Kelsey mentions a root kit server. I don't really know what this means or how different is it from the OpenRoot approach. Since this list has been somewhat inactive in the past months, maybe we can do the learning process/exchange right here? (with the moderator's permission of course...) Obet On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 18:40:00 +0800 Kelsey Hartigan Go wrote: > Well the other possibility is a root kit server? China was mentioned in > the email. 😄 > On Jul 1, 2016 15:31, "Zak Elep" wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 7:02 PM, Roberto Verzola > > wrote: > > > Dear pluggers, > > > > > > I managed to get in touch with Louis Pouzin, an Internet pioneer who > > says anyone can actually create a root server, if there are others who want > > to try them out. He and colleagues operate one, called OpenRoot. He also > > helped China set up its own. > > > > > > I have asked Louis (and his colleagues) to guide me how to do it and he > > might be willing to do so. If for some reason anyone wants to set an > > alternative root server, if only for the fun of it, anyone here in plug > > wants to join me in this learning process? I suppose there are materials on > > the Internet we can read to learn this thing ourselves, but having access > > to an expert is always useful. > > > > > > We can even do it on this list itself, which might make it little bit > > more active. > > > > Just to be clear, this is for DNS root server, right? :D > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Zakame > > > > -- > > Zak B. Elep || zakame.net > > 1486 7957 454D E529 E4F1 F75E 5787 B1FD FA53 851D > > _ > > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > > -- Roberto Verzola _ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph _ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph _ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph
Re: [plug] your own root server, anyone?
Kelsey :-):-) :-) spies might be listening on this thread.. On Jul 2, 2016 12:37 AM, "Roberto Verzola" wrote: > Yes, it is for the DNS root server. > > According to Louis, a root server does not have to be a monopoly. Anyone > can set up their own. I really don't know the details, but I'm very > interested. But learning by onesself is a lonely task. The more the > merrier. And maybe Louis and his colleagues will be more willing to tutor > us if there are many who will listen. > > Kelsey mentions a root kit server. I don't really know what this means or > how different is it from the OpenRoot approach. > > Since this list has been somewhat inactive in the past months, maybe we > can do the learning process/exchange right here? (with the moderator's > permission of course...) > > Obet > > > On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 18:40:00 +0800 > Kelsey Hartigan Go wrote: > > > Well the other possibility is a root kit server? China was mentioned in > > the email. 😄 > > On Jul 1, 2016 15:31, "Zak Elep" wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 7:02 PM, Roberto Verzola > > > wrote: > > > > Dear pluggers, > > > > > > > > I managed to get in touch with Louis Pouzin, an Internet pioneer who > > > says anyone can actually create a root server, if there are others who > want > > > to try them out. He and colleagues operate one, called OpenRoot. He > also > > > helped China set up its own. > > > > > > > > I have asked Louis (and his colleagues) to guide me how to do it and > he > > > might be willing to do so. If for some reason anyone wants to set an > > > alternative root server, if only for the fun of it, anyone here in plug > > > wants to join me in this learning process? I suppose there are > materials on > > > the Internet we can read to learn this thing ourselves, but having > access > > > to an expert is always useful. > > > > > > > > We can even do it on this list itself, which might make it little bit > > > more active. > > > > > > Just to be clear, this is for DNS root server, right? :D > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Zakame > > > > > > -- > > > Zak B. Elep || zakame.net > > > 1486 7957 454D E529 E4F1 F75E 5787 B1FD FA53 851D > > > _ > > > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > > > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > > > > > > -- > Roberto Verzola > _ > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph _ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph
Re: [plug] your own root server, anyone?
Yes, it is for the DNS root server. According to Louis, a root server does not have to be a monopoly. Anyone can set up their own. I really don't know the details, but I'm very interested. But learning by onesself is a lonely task. The more the merrier. And maybe Louis and his colleagues will be more willing to tutor us if there are many who will listen. Kelsey mentions a root kit server. I don't really know what this means or how different is it from the OpenRoot approach. Since this list has been somewhat inactive in the past months, maybe we can do the learning process/exchange right here? (with the moderator's permission of course...) Obet On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 18:40:00 +0800 Kelsey Hartigan Go wrote: > Well the other possibility is a root kit server? China was mentioned in > the email. 😄 > On Jul 1, 2016 15:31, "Zak Elep" wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 7:02 PM, Roberto Verzola > > wrote: > > > Dear pluggers, > > > > > > I managed to get in touch with Louis Pouzin, an Internet pioneer who > > says anyone can actually create a root server, if there are others who want > > to try them out. He and colleagues operate one, called OpenRoot. He also > > helped China set up its own. > > > > > > I have asked Louis (and his colleagues) to guide me how to do it and he > > might be willing to do so. If for some reason anyone wants to set an > > alternative root server, if only for the fun of it, anyone here in plug > > wants to join me in this learning process? I suppose there are materials on > > the Internet we can read to learn this thing ourselves, but having access > > to an expert is always useful. > > > > > > We can even do it on this list itself, which might make it little bit > > more active. > > > > Just to be clear, this is for DNS root server, right? :D > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Zakame > > > > -- > > Zak B. Elep || zakame.net > > 1486 7957 454D E529 E4F1 F75E 5787 B1FD FA53 851D > > _ > > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > > -- Roberto Verzola _ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph
Re: [plug] your own root server, anyone?
Well the other possibility is a root kit server? China was mentioned in the email. 😄 On Jul 1, 2016 15:31, "Zak Elep" wrote: > On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 7:02 PM, Roberto Verzola > wrote: > > Dear pluggers, > > > > I managed to get in touch with Louis Pouzin, an Internet pioneer who > says anyone can actually create a root server, if there are others who want > to try them out. He and colleagues operate one, called OpenRoot. He also > helped China set up its own. > > > > I have asked Louis (and his colleagues) to guide me how to do it and he > might be willing to do so. If for some reason anyone wants to set an > alternative root server, if only for the fun of it, anyone here in plug > wants to join me in this learning process? I suppose there are materials on > the Internet we can read to learn this thing ourselves, but having access > to an expert is always useful. > > > > We can even do it on this list itself, which might make it little bit > more active. > > Just to be clear, this is for DNS root server, right? :D > > > Cheers, > > Zakame > > -- > Zak B. Elep || zakame.net > 1486 7957 454D E529 E4F1 F75E 5787 B1FD FA53 851D > _ > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > _ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph
Re: [plug] your own root server, anyone?
On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 7:02 PM, Roberto Verzola wrote: > Dear pluggers, > > I managed to get in touch with Louis Pouzin, an Internet pioneer who says > anyone can actually create a root server, if there are others who want to try > them out. He and colleagues operate one, called OpenRoot. He also helped > China set up its own. > > I have asked Louis (and his colleagues) to guide me how to do it and he might > be willing to do so. If for some reason anyone wants to set an alternative > root server, if only for the fun of it, anyone here in plug wants to join me > in this learning process? I suppose there are materials on the Internet we > can read to learn this thing ourselves, but having access to an expert is > always useful. > > We can even do it on this list itself, which might make it little bit more > active. Just to be clear, this is for DNS root server, right? :D Cheers, Zakame -- Zak B. Elep || zakame.net 1486 7957 454D E529 E4F1 F75E 5787 B1FD FA53 851D _ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph
