Re: [Ql-Users] QL Forum online chat

2017-05-15 Thread Dave Park 
That's a missing or malformed DKIM record. As yahoo.com and q-v-d.com are
not the same domain name it is an issue.

This explains it clearly:
https://space.dmarcian.com/how-can-spfdkim-pass-and-yet-dmarc-fail/

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 6:13 AM, Jan Bredenbeek  wrote:

> On 15 May 2017 at 12:35, Graeme Gregory  wrote:
>
> >
> > And to answer original question, the headers are intact and show it
> > passing through yahoo.com SMTP server so its route matches its From:
> > address.
> >
> > If you look at the headers your spam filter should tell you why it
> > selected an email as spam.
>
>
> There are a lot of headers but this is probably the interesting part:
> (I use Gmail on my own domain)
>
> ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com;
>dkim=neutral (body hash did not verify) header.i=@yahoo.com;
>spf=neutral (google.com: 69.163.254.50 is neither permitted nor
> denied by best guess record for domain of
> ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com)
> smtp.mailfrom=ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com;
>dmarc=fail (p=REJECT sp=REJECT dis=NONE) header.from=yahoo.com
> Return-Path: 
> Received: from diego.dreamhost.com (diego.dreamhost.com. [69.163.254.50])
> by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o3si6247470pld.210.2017.05.13.
> 12.18.44
> for 
> (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128);
> Sat, 13 May 2017 12:18:44 -0700 (PDT)
> Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.163.254.50 is neither permitted
> nor denied by best guess record for domain of
> ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com) client-ip=69.163.254.50;
> Authentication-Results: mx.google.com;
>dkim=neutral (body hash did not verify) header.i=@yahoo.com;
>spf=neutral (google.com: 69.163.254.50 is neither permitted nor
> denied by best guess record for domain of
> ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com)
> smtp.mailfrom=ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com;
>dmarc=fail (p=REJECT sp=REJECT dis=NONE) header.from=yahoo.com
>
> Jan.
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Re: [Ql-Users] QL Forum online chat

2017-05-15 Thread John Alexander 
Dilwyn you are a victim of domain keys you need to sort out your Mail man 
instance  to send proper keys not spoof the senders keys causing the mail to be 
rejected often silently
DomainKeys Identified Mail
  
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DomainKeys Identified Mail
 DomainKeys Identified Mail (DKIM) is an email authentication method designed 
to detect email spoofing. It allows...  |  |

  |

 
  From: Graeme Gregory <gra...@xora.org.uk>
 To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com 
 Sent: Monday, 15 May 2017, 11:06
 Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] QL Forum online chat
   


On Mon, 15 May 2017, at 11:01 AM, pg...@q40.de wrote:
> On 15 May 2017 at 10:34, Graeme Gregory wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 15 May 2017, at 10:21 AM, Jan Bredenbeek wrote:
> > > On 13 May 2017 at 21:18, Dilwyn Jones <dilwy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > This is unplanned and short notice, sorry, seven of us are already on
> > > > Online chat tonight (now) if anyone else would like to join in!
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Didn't miss it, but your mail ended up in my spam box (which happens with
> > > more of your mails). Are you sending mail with a Yahoo-address from Yahoo
> > > itself or through your own server?
> > > 
> > That won t make any difference once its been process by mailing list.
> 
> That's not sure, because the yahoo address remains in the "From" 
> field of the email header, which the spam filter might process.
> 
Yes, but it makes no difference if that was faked in original mail or
not once the mailing list has accepted it ;-)

Graeme
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Re: [Ql-Users] QL Forum online chat

2017-05-15 Thread Jan Bredenbeek 
On 15 May 2017 at 12:35, Graeme Gregory  wrote:

>
> And to answer original question, the headers are intact and show it
> passing through yahoo.com SMTP server so its route matches its From:
> address.
>
> If you look at the headers your spam filter should tell you why it
> selected an email as spam.


There are a lot of headers but this is probably the interesting part:
(I use Gmail on my own domain)

ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com;
   dkim=neutral (body hash did not verify) header.i=@yahoo.com;
   spf=neutral (google.com: 69.163.254.50 is neither permitted nor
denied by best guess record for domain of
ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com)
smtp.mailfrom=ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com;
   dmarc=fail (p=REJECT sp=REJECT dis=NONE) header.from=yahoo.com
Return-Path: 
Received: from diego.dreamhost.com (diego.dreamhost.com. [69.163.254.50])
by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o3si6247470pld.210.2017.05.13.12.18.44
for 
(version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128);
Sat, 13 May 2017 12:18:44 -0700 (PDT)
Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.163.254.50 is neither permitted
nor denied by best guess record for domain of
ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com) client-ip=69.163.254.50;
Authentication-Results: mx.google.com;
   dkim=neutral (body hash did not verify) header.i=@yahoo.com;
   spf=neutral (google.com: 69.163.254.50 is neither permitted nor
denied by best guess record for domain of
ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com)
smtp.mailfrom=ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com;
   dmarc=fail (p=REJECT sp=REJECT dis=NONE) header.from=yahoo.com

Jan.

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Re: [Ql-Users] QL Forum online chat

2017-05-15 Thread Graeme Gregory 


On Mon, 15 May 2017, at 11:28 AM, pg...@q40.de wrote:
> On 15 May 2017 at 11:06, Graeme Gregory wrote:
> > On Mon, 15 May 2017, at 11:01 AM, pg...@q40.de wrote:
> > > On 15 May 2017 at 10:34, Graeme Gregory wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Mon, 15 May 2017, at 10:21 AM, Jan Bredenbeek wrote:
> > > > > On 13 May 2017 at 21:18, Dilwyn Jones  wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > This is unplanned and short notice, sorry, seven of us are already 
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > Online chat tonight (now) if anyone else would like to join in!
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > Didn't miss it, but your mail ended up in my spam box (which happens 
> > > > > with
> > > > > more of your mails). Are you sending mail with a Yahoo-address from 
> > > > > Yahoo
> > > > > itself or through your own server?
> > > > > 
> > > > That won t make any difference once its been process by mailing list.
> > > 
> > > That's not sure, because the yahoo address remains in the "From" 
> > > field of the email header, which the spam filter might process.
> > > 
> > Yes, but it makes no difference if that was faked in original mail or
> > not once the mailing list has accepted it ;-)
> 
> If I understood correctly, it ended in a local spambox, after going 
> through the list server. For which the preservation of the "From" 
> flied is a possible explanation.
> 
And to answer original question, the headers are intact and show it
passing through yahoo.com SMTP server so its route matches its From:
address.

If you look at the headers your spam filter should tell you why it
selected an email as spam.

Graeme
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Re: [Ql-Users] QL Forum online chat

2017-05-15 Thread pgraf 
On 15 May 2017 at 11:06, Graeme Gregory wrote:
> On Mon, 15 May 2017, at 11:01 AM, pg...@q40.de wrote:
> > On 15 May 2017 at 10:34, Graeme Gregory wrote:
> > 
> > > On Mon, 15 May 2017, at 10:21 AM, Jan Bredenbeek wrote:
> > > > On 13 May 2017 at 21:18, Dilwyn Jones  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > This is unplanned and short notice, sorry, seven of us are already on
> > > > > Online chat tonight (now) if anyone else would like to join in!
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > Didn't miss it, but your mail ended up in my spam box (which happens 
> > > > with
> > > > more of your mails). Are you sending mail with a Yahoo-address from 
> > > > Yahoo
> > > > itself or through your own server?
> > > > 
> > > That won t make any difference once its been process by mailing list.
> > 
> > That's not sure, because the yahoo address remains in the "From" 
> > field of the email header, which the spam filter might process.
> > 
> Yes, but it makes no difference if that was faked in original mail or
> not once the mailing list has accepted it ;-)

If I understood correctly, it ended in a local spambox, after going 
through the list server. For which the preservation of the "From" 
flied is a possible explanation.

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Re: [Ql-Users] QL Forum online chat

2017-05-15 Thread Graeme Gregory 


On Mon, 15 May 2017, at 11:01 AM, pg...@q40.de wrote:
> On 15 May 2017 at 10:34, Graeme Gregory wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 15 May 2017, at 10:21 AM, Jan Bredenbeek wrote:
> > > On 13 May 2017 at 21:18, Dilwyn Jones  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > This is unplanned and short notice, sorry, seven of us are already on
> > > > Online chat tonight (now) if anyone else would like to join in!
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Didn't miss it, but your mail ended up in my spam box (which happens with
> > > more of your mails). Are you sending mail with a Yahoo-address from Yahoo
> > > itself or through your own server?
> > > 
> > That won t make any difference once its been process by mailing list.
> 
> That's not sure, because the yahoo address remains in the "From" 
> field of the email header, which the spam filter might process.
> 
Yes, but it makes no difference if that was faked in original mail or
not once the mailing list has accepted it ;-)

Graeme
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Re: [Ql-Users] QL Forum online chat

2017-05-15 Thread pgraf 
On 15 May 2017 at 10:34, Graeme Gregory wrote:

> On Mon, 15 May 2017, at 10:21 AM, Jan Bredenbeek wrote:
> > On 13 May 2017 at 21:18, Dilwyn Jones  wrote:
> > 
> > > This is unplanned and short notice, sorry, seven of us are already on
> > > Online chat tonight (now) if anyone else would like to join in!
> > >
> > 
> > Didn't miss it, but your mail ended up in my spam box (which happens with
> > more of your mails). Are you sending mail with a Yahoo-address from Yahoo
> > itself or through your own server?
> > 
> That won t make any difference once its been process by mailing list.

That's not sure, because the yahoo address remains in the "From" 
field of the email header, which the spam filter might process.


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Re: [Ql-Users] QL Forum online chat

2017-05-15 Thread Jan Bredenbeek 
On 13 May 2017 at 21:18, Dilwyn Jones  wrote:

> This is unplanned and short notice, sorry, seven of us are already on
> Online chat tonight (now) if anyone else would like to join in!
>

Didn't miss it, but your mail ended up in my spam box (which happens with
more of your mails). Are you sending mail with a Yahoo-address from Yahoo
itself or through your own server?

Jan.

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Re: [Ql-Users] QL FOrum online chat

2014-11-27 Thread François Van Emelen 


Dilwyn Jones schreef op 26/11/2014 om 22:00:

A few of us are already on the QL FOrum online chat tonight, if anyone wants to 
pop in for a QL chat!

Dilwyn
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I haven't subscribed to the QL Forum (yet)
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Re: [Ql-Users] QL FOrum online chat

2014-11-27 Thread graeme 

On 2014-11-27 10:07, François Van Emelen wrote:

Dilwyn Jones schreef op 26/11/2014 om 22:00:
A few of us are already on the QL FOrum online chat tonight, if anyone 
wants to pop in for a QL chat!


Dilwyn
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I haven't subscribed to the QL Forum (yet)
François Van Emelen



There is no forum membership required its a standard IRC channel

irc.mibbit.net
#qlforum

There are normally a couple of us hanging about, although we might be 
slow to respond as we are at work!


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Re: [Ql-Users] QL Forum Online Chat

2014-11-27 Thread graeme 

On 2014-11-27 20:37, Dilwyn Jones wrote:

After the success of last night’s online chat, several of us are
already online tonight if any more would like to join us.

Just login to QL Forum if you’re a member and click  on the Online Chat 
link.




Or fire up your favourite IRC client and goto

irc.mibbit.net
#qlforum

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Re: [Ql-Users] QL Forum Online Chat

2014-11-27 Thread Dilwyn Jones 

Oh boy, not just typos, can't even get people's names right now...sorry G
Dilwyn

-Original Message- 
From: Dilwyn Jones

Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 8:50 PM
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] QL Forum Online Chat

Sorry, yes, I should have mentioned it's possible to join in without
actually being a member of QL Forum (as Graham says). As a member, I always
join the online chat via the Forum login :-)

Dilwyn

-Original Message- 
From: gra...@xora.org.uk

Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 8:46 PM
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] QL Forum Online Chat

On 2014-11-27 20:37, Dilwyn Jones wrote:

After the success of last night’s online chat, several of us are
already online tonight if any more would like to join us.

Just login to QL Forum if you’re a member and click  on the Online Chat 
link.




Or fire up your favourite IRC client and goto

irc.mibbit.net
#qlforum

Graeme

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Re: [Ql-Users] QL Forum Online Chat

2014-11-27 Thread graeme 
Even in Scotland where Graeme is the more common form no-one ever gets 
it right :-)


G

On 2014-11-27 21:28, Dilwyn Jones wrote:
Oh boy, not just typos, can't even get people's names right now...sorry 
G

Dilwyn

-Original Message- From: Dilwyn Jones
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 8:50 PM
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] QL Forum Online Chat

Sorry, yes, I should have mentioned it's possible to join in without
actually being a member of QL Forum (as Graham says). As a member, I 
always

join the online chat via the Forum login :-)

Dilwyn

-Original Message- From: gra...@xora.org.uk
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 8:46 PM
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] QL Forum Online Chat

On 2014-11-27 20:37, Dilwyn Jones wrote:

After the success of last night’s online chat, several of us are
already online tonight if any more would like to join us.

Just login to QL Forum if you’re a member and click  on the Online 
Chat link.




Or fire up your favourite IRC client and goto

irc.mibbit.net
#qlforum

Graeme

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Re: [Ql-Users] QL Forum online chat tonight

2014-10-09 Thread Alexandre Souza 


   Dilwyn, there are users outside of the usual locations of QL Forum 
users. Like me, as an example?


   When it will be? GST time, please? :)

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- Original Message - 
From: Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk

To: QL-Users list ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 1:43 PM
Subject: [Ql-Users] QL Forum online chat tonight


I hope Peter (vanpeebles on QL Forum) doesn’t mind me copying this here – I 
thought it might be worth a try as I don’t know how many people get Forum 
messages regarding the Online Chat in time, without logging in and 
searching for them.


Peter says that the online chat for QL Forum members will be manned from 
8pm tonight. He points out it’s the last one before the QL Is 30 show.


To join in, all Forum members have to do is login to the forum, and click 
on the ‘Online Chat’ link. Usually there’s anythign from 3 to 6 of us at 
any one time, would be great if we had a load of people on tonight just 
before QL Is 30!


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Re: [Ql-Users] QL Forum online chat tonight

2014-10-09 Thread Graeme Gregory 
We are actually already online.

irc.mibbit.net #qlforum

:-)

Graeme

On Thu, Oct 09, 2014 at 02:26:18PM -0300, Alexandre Souza wrote:
 
Dilwyn, there are users outside of the usual locations of QL Forum
 users. Like me, as an example?
 
When it will be? GST time, please? :)
 
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 - Original Message - From: Dilwyn Jones
 dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk
 To: QL-Users list ql-us...@q-v-d.com
 Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 1:43 PM
 Subject: [Ql-Users] QL Forum online chat tonight
 
 
 I hope Peter (vanpeebles on QL Forum) doesn’t mind me copying this here –
 I thought it might be worth a try as I don’t know how many people get
 Forum messages regarding the Online Chat in time, without logging in and
 searching for them.
 
 Peter says that the online chat for QL Forum members will be manned from
 8pm tonight. He points out it’s the last one before the QL Is 30 show.
 
 To join in, all Forum members have to do is login to the forum, and click
 on the ‘Online Chat’ link. Usually there’s anythign from 3 to 6 of us at
 any one time, would be great if we had a load of people on tonight just
 before QL Is 30!
 
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Re: [Ql-Users] QL Forum online chat tonight

2014-10-09 Thread Dilwyn Jones 
U.K. is on 'summer time' at the moment which is GMT +1hr (like western 
Europe I think). So 8pm UK time will be GMT 7pm (19:00 GMT).


I'm not too sure about Brazil - like some large countries I think you have 
more than one time zone there?? Plus I don't know the dates of Summer Time 
there.


The easiest explanation is that Peter will be online in just over 1 hour 
from now, I think :-)


(I think I might have just made it even more complicated, sorry!)

Dilwyn

-Original Message- 
From: Alexandre Souza

Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 6:26 PM
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] QL Forum online chat tonight


   Dilwyn, there are users outside of the usual locations of QL Forum
users. Like me, as an example?

   When it will be? GST time, please? :)

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- Original Message - 
From: Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk

To: QL-Users list ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 1:43 PM
Subject: [Ql-Users] QL Forum online chat tonight


I hope Peter (vanpeebles on QL Forum) doesn’t mind me copying this here – I 
thought it might be worth a try as I don’t know how many people get Forum 
messages regarding the Online Chat in time, without logging in and 
searching for them.


Peter says that the online chat for QL Forum members will be manned from 
8pm tonight. He points out it’s the last one before the QL Is 30 show.


To join in, all Forum members have to do is login to the forum, and click 
on the ‘Online Chat’ link. Usually there’s anythign from 3 to 6 of us at 
any one time, would be great if we had a load of people on tonight just 
before QL Is 30!


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