Re: New York law banning even purely religious same-sex marriage ceremonies?

2004-03-16 Thread Paul Finkelman
Does this law lead to the conclusion that the state should get out of the business to telling members of the clergy who they can marry. Let the state create legal unions, as in France, and let the clergy marry whoever the clergy want to marry? Paul Finkelman Volokh, Eugene wrote: I took

Re: FYI An Interesting Case

2004-04-11 Thread Paul Finkelman
ou were born -- because of how God made you -- you are inherently immoral? -- Paul Finkelman Chapman Distinguished Professor of Law University of Tulsa College of Law 3120 East 4th Place Tulsa, OK 74104-3189 918-631-3706 (office) 918-631-2194 (fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] It sounds like your ideolo

Re: not defamatory to call Jew a believer in Jesus

2004-05-17 Thread Paul Finkelman
views that she cannot comprehend how anyone would find such an allegation offensive or defamatory. -- Paul Finkelman Chapman Distinguished Professor of Law University of Tulsa College of Law 3120 East 4th Place Tulsa, OK 74104-3189 918-631-3706 (office) 918-631-2194 (fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Religion Clauses question

2004-06-02 Thread Paul Finkelman
partner without undue probate or tax consequences. -- Paul Finkelman Chapman Distinguished Professor University of Tulsa College of Law 3120 East 4th Place Tulsa, Oklahoma 74104-2499 918-631-3706 (office) 918-631-2194 (fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Francis Beckwith wrote: Paul: I don?t see it as a matter

Re: Religion Clauses question

2004-06-03 Thread Paul Finkelman
, as you note, you are not advocating disrciminating against gay people, and so I welcome you to to fold of many people of faith who support equal rights for all Americans! Paul Finkelman Francis Beckwith wrote: On 6/2/04 10:52 PM, Paul Finkelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. Beckwith: It is hard

Re: Religion Clauses question

2004-06-03 Thread Paul Finkelman
what marriage is, and demand a right to have marriage change into what it may become. Such a right would be more correctly described as the right to have things my way. But even heterosexuals do not enjoy the absolute right to have things my way. Jim Henderson Senior Counsel ACLJ -- Paul

Re: Religion Clauses question

2004-06-04 Thread Paul Finkelman
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Re: Religion Clauses question

2004-06-04 Thread Paul Finkelman
. Sarwal wrote: Does your analysis (in your POV) apply with equal force to the transgendered and adult incest situations? If not, why not? - Original Message - From: Paul Finkelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'Law Religion issues for Law Academics' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday

Re: Religion Clauses question

2004-06-04 Thread Paul Finkelman
, then that person would not be akin to segregationists, et al. Right? - Original Message - From: Paul Finkelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Amar D. Sarwal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Law Religion issues for Law Academics [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 3:41 PM Subject: Re: Religion Clauses

Re: The President and the Pope

2004-06-14 Thread Paul Finkelman
which Catholic doctrine he likes; I am sure, however, that His Holiness can see through all of this. Paul Finkelman Mark Tushnet wrote: My intuition is that openness matters, in constraining what a politician will say. But I agree that we're dealing with quite a marginal issue here

Re: The President and the Pope

2004-06-14 Thread Paul Finkelman
of religous bigotry and opposition to foreigners, going back to the immigration quotas of the 1920s and indeed to some of the Party's anti-Catholic roots in the 1850s. Now we have the ironic reversal, the Republicans *want* a hot line to the Pope so he can campaign for them. Paul Finkelman Volokh, Euge

Re: The President and the Pope

2004-06-14 Thread Paul Finkelman
punishment or what some might think is an unjust war. I do find it ironic -- and nothing more than that -- and I am sorry if irony is not something you like to deal with -- that a party which has historically been anti-Catholic would suddenly turn to the Pope for help. Paul Finkelman Volokh

Re: The President and the Pope

2004-06-14 Thread Paul Finkelman
constitutional (whether the question is justiciable or not) or illegal. If I'm not mistaken, the same (ir)relevancy conclusion is true of Frank Beckwith's latest contribution. On Mon, 14 Jun 2004, Francis Beckwith wrote: On 6/14/04 8:11 PM, "Paul Finkelman"

Symposium on State Blaine Amendments

2004-06-17 Thread Paul Finkelman
I hope it is permissible to post this on the list-serve. I do so in my capacity as faculty advisor to the Tulsa Law Review. -- Paul Finkelman Chapman Distinguished Professor of Law University of Tulsa College of Law 3120 East 4th Place Tulsa, OK 74104-3189 918-631-3706 (office) 918-631-2194

Re: Religion of peace?

2004-11-12 Thread Paul Finkelman
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Re: Religion of peace?

2004-11-14 Thread paul-finkelman
Which is what I guess Quakers try to practice and that most other Christians don't try to practice, or at least have not been very successful at it in the lastg 1800 years or so. Paul Finkelman Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Well, of course, authentic, biblical Christianity is a religion

Re: FW: Student reprimanded for religious absences

2004-11-23 Thread Paul Finkelman
days of school, even though the religious needs only required 4 days. Seems to me, that even if there is a religious exemption, it cannot include travel out of state for family convenience or simply the desire to be with family. Paul Finkelman Volokh, Eugene wrote: Any thoughts

Re: Student reprimanded for religious absences

2004-11-23 Thread Paul Finkelman
exams on Friday or homework on Thrusday that is due Friday? Paul Finkelman Susanna Peters wrote: Not knowing the facts of the situation w/r to travel distance is also problematic. For example my community here in the UP of Michigan is 5 hours away from a coservative or Orthodox synagogue (which

Re: Student reprimanded for religious absences

2004-11-23 Thread Paul Finkelman
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Re: Student reprimanded for religious absences

2004-11-23 Thread Paul Finkelman
(for religious reasons) an hour an 15 min of a required class every friday; can the professor fail he student on attendence? Even if student passes exam, the course requirements are not met if there is an attendance requirement. Paul Finkelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One issue that has not been

Re: Student reprimanded for religious absences

2004-11-24 Thread Paul Finkelman
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Re: Steven Williams case and the Ten Commandments cases

2004-12-16 Thread Paul Finkelman
2nd commandment, You shall have no other gods beside Me. (Tanakah translation.) Paul Finkelman -- Paul Finkelman Chapman Distinguished Professor University of Tulsa College of Law 3120 East 4th Place Tulsa, Oklahoma 74104-2499 918-631-3706 (office) 918-631-2194 (fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL

Re: Steven Williams case and the Ten Commandments cases

2004-12-16 Thread Paul Finkelman
other points. Paul Finkelman Ed Brayton wrote: I must say, as it concerns the 10 commandments issue, that I'm not so concerned about the question of which text of the 10 commandments one uses as I am the question of why anyone rationally believes that they form the basis of our laws in the first

Re: Ten Commandments Basis of Our Laws Position

2004-12-16 Thread Paul Finkelman
are constitutionally free to swear falsely by the name of the Lord (take the Lord's name in vain) Paul Finkelman Sanford Levinson wrote: Is there any reason at all to believe that Roman Law owed anything at all to the Ten Commandments? I take it that Roman Law is the basic source of most European civil

Re: John Lofton/Role Of Judges?

2004-12-16 Thread Paul Finkelman
is this a final exam question for all of us? paul finkelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C'mon, gang, I need some help here. Had only one reply to my Q: What is the role of a judge; what MUST a judge do? And, please, briefly define your terms if you use a word like justice. Thanks. God bless you all

Re: Ten Commandments Basis of Our Laws Position

2004-12-16 Thread Paul Finkelman
and don't flourish in some places that are very Christian Paul Finkelman Newsom Michael wrote: Message But how do you explain the fact that law and morality flourish in some societies that are neither Christian nor Jewish? -Original Message

RE: Are the Ten Commandments the foundation of the Anglo-Americanlegal system?

2004-12-17 Thread paul-finkelman
not wife). That is what makes capitallism run. Paul Finkelman Quoting Volokh, Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm not sure this is quite right. Surely principles such as no killing, no stealing, no beating people up, no defaming people, no destroying their property, and so on -- both those

Re: Are the Ten Commandments the foundation of the Anglo-American legal system?

2004-12-18 Thread paul-finkelman
Jim writes: The Declaration, on the other hand, demonstrates why Englishman everywhere, even in colonial lands, are not subject to denial of representation, etc. So, what does the Ten Commandments have to do with representation? Nothing of course. That is the point. Paul F. Paul

RE: Are the Ten Commandments the foundation ofthe Anglo-Americanlegal system?

2004-12-18 Thread paul-finkelman
ignored by our law. Some of our law -- or at least our economy -- cuts against the 10 C-- Our economy is based on the concept of coveting your neighbors things goods, house (maybe not wife). That is what makes capitallism run. Paul Finkelman Quoting Volokh, Eugene

Re: Are the Ten Commandments the foundation of the Anglo-Americanlegal system?

2004-12-18 Thread paul-finkelman
Divine source, perhaps, but certainly not the God of the Bible, but rather a diestic creator or nature's God. Paul FInkelman Quoting Francis Beckwith [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Very good questions. I think one could teach the logic of the Declaration without saying that it is true. For example

RE: Supposedly Deistic nature of the Declaration of Independence

2004-12-20 Thread paul-finkelman
as the time was from the other direction. antifederalist ministers in New England (especially) denounced the Constitution for not being religious and later denounced Jefferson as an athiest or worse. Paul Finkelman Quoting Sanford Levinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Quite frankly, I think

Re: Are the Ten Commandments the foundation of the Anglo-Americanlegal system?

2004-12-20 Thread Paul Finkelman
for political society. Paul Finkelman -- Paul Finkelman Chapman Distinguished Professor University of Tulsa College of Law 3120 East 4th Place Tulsa, Oklahoma 74104-2499 918-631-3706 (office) 918-631-2194 (fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] David W. New wrote: Even the U.S. Supreme Court acknowledges that the Ten

Re: Supposedly Deistic nature of the Declaration of Independence

2004-12-20 Thread Paul Finkelman
interventionist God, and not simply a creator. Or am I mistaken? Eugene Paul Finkelman writes: Divine source, perhaps, but certainly not the God of the Bible, but rather a diestic creator or nature's God. Paul Finkelman Chapman Distinguished Professor of Law Univ. of Tulsa College of Law 2120

Re: Are the Ten Commandments the foundation ofthe Anglo-Americanlegal system?

2004-12-22 Thread Paul Finkelman
ing or endorsing the religions of others, and basic due process for all. Without these would have the same "universal principles" as other nations, but the moral basis of our society would be vastly different, and much poorer. Paul Finkelman Volokh, Eugene wrote: I appreciate Paul'

Re: Are the Ten Commandments the foundation ofthe Anglo-Americanlegal system?

2004-12-23 Thread Paul Finkelman
a look at his relations with African-Americans, his condescension, and worse. On the subject of race, he was a bad man, pure and simple. -Original Message- From: Paul Finkelman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 10:51 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics

Re: Are the Ten Commandments the foundation ofthe Anglo-Americanlegal system?

2004-12-23 Thread Paul Finkelman
, for example. Lincoln had little to nothing to do with the real defenders of racial justice in America. -Original Message- From: Paul Finkelman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 3:37 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: Are the Ten Commandments

Re: The Amish

2005-01-02 Thread Paul Finkelman
uite wrong; they are not perfect, or saints, or better than anyone else, and the children might actually benefit from being in school and getting out of homes that are abuse, at least for part of the day. Paul Finkelman -- Paul Finkelman Chapman Distinguished Professor of Law University of Tulsa College of Law

Re: The Amish

2005-01-02 Thread Paul Finkelman
the truancy laws, and did seem attractive to Burger. The Amish did not ask for a school district. Paul Finkelman Avi Schick wrote: Professor Levinson Thank you for your clarifications.I still don't see the constitutional dimension that is so clearly visible to you and Professor Finkelman. I

Re: God in the Constitution

2005-01-30 Thread Paul Finkelman
Some New England antifederalists complained that the Constitution did not establish religion. They of course lost the argument. Paul Finkelman -- Paul Finkelman Chapman Distinguished Professor of Law University of Tulsa College of Law 3120 East 4th Place Tulsa, OK 74104-3189 918-631

Re: God in the Constitution

2005-01-30 Thread Paul Finkelman
/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others. -- Paul

Re: God in the Constitution

2005-01-30 Thread Paul Finkelman
__ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as pri

Re: God in the Constitution

2005-01-30 Thread Paul Finkelman
Self servingly, if you are interested in why there was not bill of rights, take a look at Paul Finkelman, James Madison and the Adoption of the Bill of Rights: A Reluctant Paternity, 1990 SUP. CT. REV. 301-47 (1991). It cites the letter you are looking for and quotes from it. Ed Darrell wrote

Re: God in the Constitution

2005-01-31 Thread Paul Finkelman
the messages to others. -- Paul Finkelman Chapman Distinguished Professor University of Tulsa College of Law 3120 East 4th Place Tulsa, Oklahoma 74104-2499 918-631-3706 (office) 918-631-2194 (fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw

Re: evangelize

2005-02-26 Thread Paul Finkelman
discussions of about law and religion. -- Paul Finkelman Chapman Distinguished Professor of Law University of Tulsa College of Law 3120 East 4th Place Tulsa, OK 74104-3189 918-631-3706 (office) 918-631-2194 (fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So be it, but it is important, I believe

Re: evangelize

2005-02-27 Thread Paul Finkelman
ist cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others. -- Paul Finkelman Chapman Distinguished Professor of Law University of Tulsa College of Law

Re: Ten Commandments

2005-03-01 Thread Paul Finkelman
aw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others. -- Paul Finkelman Chapman Distinguished

Re: Ten Commandments

2005-03-02 Thread Paul Finkelman
ogical set of issues that are not nearly as simple as the arguments made by Judge Roy Moore in Alabama or the Texas Legislature (with their Luthern Ten C. monument). -- Paul Finkelman Chapman Distinguished Professor of Law University of Tulsa College of Law 3120 East 4th Place Tulsa, OK 74105

Re: Ten Commandments

2005-03-02 Thread Paul Finkelman
it. Here is the cite and title: The Ten Commandments on the Courthouse Lawn and Elsewhere, 73 Fordham L. Rev. 1477-1520 (2005). -- Paul Finkelman Chapman Distinguished Professor of Law University of Tulsa College of Law 3120 East 4th Place Tulsa, OK 74105 918-631-3706 (voice) 918-631-2194 (fax

Rights of clergy regarding same-sex marriage? -- a free exercise right?

2005-03-15 Thread Paul Finkelman
I wonder if the reverse argument has more power. That is: if a church declares that the sacrament of marriage is available to *any* couple willing to accept it, does the minister of that church have a free exercise right *to perform* that marriage ceremony? -- Paul Finkelman Chapman

Re: Rights of clergy regarding same-sex marriage?

2005-03-15 Thread Paul Finkelman
and rearing, custody, end of life decisions, etc. All the proper jurisdiction of the state; marriage is a relgiious action that should not involve the state. This avoids the separate but equal fear of Jean Dudley Paul Finkelman Jean Dudley wrote: On Mar 15, 2005, at 1:02 PM, James Maule wrote: Civil

Re: Pop Quiz: Justice O'Connor and the Religion Clauses

2005-07-02 Thread Paul Finkelman
t are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others. -- Paul Finkelman Chapman Distinguished Professor of Law University of Tulsa College of Law 3120 East 4th Place Tulsa, OK 74104-3189 918-631-3706 (office) 918-631-2194 (fa

Re: Free speech for chaplains

2005-07-12 Thread Paul Finkelman
against anyone in the chaplin corps who does not understand that his or her first duty is to all the soldiers and sailors and to help them in *their* faith. Paul Finkelman Rick Duncan wrote: I am far less concerned about the chaplins' free speech rights than I am about the EC

Re: Assaults on the England language

2005-07-22 Thread Paul Finkelman
are unconstitutional? I assume you would oppose such a decision, right? Paul Finkelman. Rick Duncan wrote: "Scarberry, Mark" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Put another way, Republicans believe they have at least as good a claim as Democrats to being committed to democratic princip

Re: research question

2005-07-25 Thread Paul Finkelman
Doug is right that Buckley is the best work of history on this subject Paul Finkelman Douglas Laycock wrote: Also Thomas Buckley, Church and State in Revolutionary Virginia 1776-1787 (1977). Eckenrode is a much older book -- early twentieth century I think. Douglas Laycock

Re: Elective Bible Classes

2005-08-02 Thread Paul Finkelman
ple can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others. -- Paul Finkelman Chapman Distinguished Professor of Law University of Tulsa College of Law 3120 East 4th Place Tulsa, OK 74105 918-631-3706 (voice) 918-631-2194 (fa

Re: religiously-motivated political strife

2005-08-03 Thread Paul Finkelman
, some Catholic persecution in the 1830s, and the lynching of Leo Frank by a mob in 1915 (I think that is the right date). You can find citations for these events and further discussions in the following places: Paul Finkelman, The Ten Commandments on the Courthouse Lawn and Elsewhere, 73 Fordham L. Rev. 147

Re: religiously-motivated political strife

2005-08-03 Thread Paul Finkelman
lease note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others. -- Paul Finkelman Chapman Distinguished

Re: religiously-motivated political strife

2005-08-03 Thread Paul Finkelman
of the story. Douglas Laycock University of Texas Law School 727 E. Dean Keeton St. Austin, TX 78705 512-232-1341 (phone) 512-471-6988 (fax) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Paul Finkelman Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 4:43 PM To: Law

Establisment clause and oppressive taxation

2005-08-03 Thread Paul Finkelman
this. Paul Finkelman Pybas, Kevin M wrote: All of the comments are helpful, but let me raise another question that is akin to the one Rick raised. He asked whether, why, and / or how these motivations, or the undesirability of such strife should be used to supply the Establishment

Re: religiously-motivated political strife

2005-08-03 Thread Paul Finkelman
eys were not private property so that might not lead to religious strife, per se, but it does indicate the dangers of allowing religious law to regulate civil society. And that, is what the establishment clause is all about. Paul Finkelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated

Re: Establisment clause and oppressive taxation

2005-08-04 Thread Paul Finkelman
and grape juice to Catholic school admission? Im not sure Madison is helpful here. Frank On 8/3/05 11:27 PM, "Paul Finkelman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would suggest you reread Madison's remonstrance on Religious freedom; one of the clear motivati

Re: Massachusetts proposals to force church disclosures

2005-08-16 Thread Paul Finkelman
states require this type of disclosure? -- Paul Finkelman Chapman Distinguished Professor of Law University of Tulsa College of Law 3120 East 4th Place Tulsa, OK 74104-3189 918-631-3706 (office) 918-631-2194 (fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To post

Re: Floodwaters and Undermined Walls

2005-09-01 Thread Paul Finkelman
, there was no rain and the drought continued. So miuch for the efficacy of prayer.! I suspect that our many friends in Louisian and Mississippi would rather have bottled water or another bus to get out of the city than prayers. Paul Finkelman Gene Summerlin wrote: I'll come to Jim's defense

Re: UC Case: Facts from Complaint

2005-09-06 Thread Paul Finkelman
it. Paul Finkelman -- Paul Finkelman Chapman Distinguished Professor University of Tulsa College of Law 3120 East 4th Place Tulsa, Oklahoma 74104-2499 918-631-3706 (office) 918-631-2194 (fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rick Duncan wrote: If you haven't read the complaint http://www.acsi.org/webfiles/webitems

Re: UC Case: Facts from Complaint

2005-09-06 Thread Paul Finkelman
are as forthcoming and honest as is Paul. They will make great witnesses. Well, got to run. So few minutes in the day, and so many witches to burn and heretics to whip! :-) Cheers, Rick Duncan Paul Finkelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Rick: I would assume that UC has

Re: From the list custodian

2005-09-06 Thread Paul Finkelman
movement. If Rick wants to play the list game, I think it only fair to explore the issue. Paul Finkelman Volokh, Eugene wrote: Folks: I'm sure that people on this list would be able to compile lists of the great sins of atheists and atheistic regimes; of Muslims; of Jews; of Catholics

RE: From the list custodian

2005-09-06 Thread paul-finkelman
religion -- no, here's what's wrong with your religion, and I see lots of downside. Eugene -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Finkelman Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 12:44 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law

Re: Air Force sued over religious intolerance

2005-10-09 Thread Paul Finkelman
genschmitt thinks a Protestant minister is an "evangelist" if he gives last rites to a dying Catholic soldier? Paul Finkelman Gordon James Klingenschmitt wrote: A few points to answer questions that were raised... 1) ALL chaplains are evangelists, in the sense that they promote the

Re: Air Force sued over religious intolerance

2005-10-09 Thread Paul Finkelman
who will listed; but in uniform you should not be doing so. This is not about converting you to a different *Faith* -- rather it is the demand that your behavior is different. Obviously I have no information to comment on the specifics of your preaching so my points are general. Paul Finkelman

Re: Air Force sued over religious intolerance

2005-10-09 Thread Paul Finkelman
. Paul Finkelman Sanford Levinson wrote: . Now as law professors,as teachers of our future leaders,will you actually teach your students thatgovernment should agree with them,and side with Mr. Weinstein and Yale Divinity, and enter the Protestant Chapel to silence

Re: Air Force sued over religious intolerance

2005-10-09 Thread Paul Finkelman
minational service on a small base, where there is only one chaplain, the chaplain cannot refuse, saying "it is against my religion" or cannot then go in and give a sectarian sermon, denouncing those who are not followers of his faith, and then claim that the judge said that is ok. Pa

Re: Air Force sued over religious intolerance

2005-10-09 Thread Paul Finkelman
e." I assume, but am willing to stand corrected, that members of the armed forces can be prohibited from attending political rallies on such grounds. sandy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Paul Finkelman Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 6:45 PM

Re: FYI: An Interesting See You at the Pole Case

2005-10-31 Thread Paul Finkelman
the school but then closed it in the face of a girl, saying, I do not hold the door for Jews. This is not a school sanctioned act -- rather it is the act of a student, but it does illustrate the social climate created by bringing religious zealotry to the school. Paul Finkelman -- Paul

Re: FYI: An Interesting See You at the Pole Case

2005-10-31 Thread Paul Finkelman
bigotry have anything to do with whether or not kids meet together to pray? Surely you're not suggesting that kids should hide their faith at school, as though it was something to be ashamed of. Brad Paul Finkelman wrote on 10/31/2005 12:38:45 PM: WHere I live (Oklahoma) some teachers

Re: FYI: An Interesting See You at the Pole Case

2005-11-05 Thread Paul Finkelman
ck and say they too can say things which are hateful towards minorities? Paul Finkelman Joel Sogol wrote: I dont think I even implied that Rick approved of the conduct only that he views it as part of the larger price Jews must pay for sending our children to publ

Re: FYI: An Interesting See You at the Pole Case

2005-11-06 Thread Paul Finkelman
to file a "hate crimes" report merely because these young women told me about their faith. Indeed, this encounter is one of my warmest memories of my trip to Utah. Paul's anger about the religious _expression_of children makes sosense at all to me. Cheers, Rick

Re: non-disruptive speech ?

2005-11-06 Thread Paul Finkelman
ad the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others. -- Paul Finkelman Chapman Distinguished Professor of Law University of Tulsa College of Law 3120 East 4th Place Tulsa, OK 74104-3189 918-631-3706 (office) 918-631-2194 (fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___

Re: non-disruptive speech ?

2005-11-06 Thread Paul Finkelman
nk it would be quite reasonable to bas such speech in a public school. As far as I know, Atheists to not campaign to rid the world of Christians nor harass them about it. I have never heard of Christians being beaten up, harassed, ridiculed by school administraors, (or for that matter lynched) by athies

Re: Free Exercise Clause and government employees

2005-11-08 Thread Paul Finkelman
m with you: it is an establishment clause violation. Paul Finkelman Alan Brownstein wrote: Good questions, Eugene. I'm glad to hear that students are studying Talmud at UCLA. And I doubt there is a problem with a faculty member joining them if they meet in an open classroom as a Jewish Study Group. But I have

Re: Voters Oust Dover School Board

2005-11-09 Thread Paul Finkelman
other belief systems of creation. But, these belief systems don't belong in a science class. Paul Finkelman David W. New wrote: I was sad to see the leaders of the intelligent design movement in Pennsylvania lose their seats in yesterday's election. For a long time, the supporters

Re: A note about the Atheist Legal Center, or at least its founder

2005-12-12 Thread Paul Finkelman
was wondering if I would be more comfortable hanging out with the other side. After your posting, I now have a better undertanding of him. Paul Finkelman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Volokh, Eugene Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 1:11 PM

Re: A note about the Atheist Legal Center, or at least its founder

2005-12-13 Thread Paul Finkelman
can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others. -- Paul Finkelman Chapman Distinguished Professor of Law University of Tulsa College of Law 3120 East 4th Place Tulsa, OK

Re: I've met and conferred with my fellow Jewish Conspirators --

2005-12-14 Thread Paul Finkelman
Subject: Re: I've met and conferred with my fellow Jewish Conspirators -- From: "Paul Finkelman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:53:09 -0800 To: "Law Religion

Re: Santa Claus in school

2005-12-15 Thread Paul Finkelman
or wrongly) forward the messages to others. -- Paul Finkelman Chapman Distinguished Professor of Law University of Tulsa College of Law 3120 East 4th Place Tulsa, OK 74104-3189 918-631-3706 (office) 918-631-2194 (fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Dover Intelligent-Design Case

2005-12-20 Thread Paul Finkelman
and Santa Claus? Thus, in oder to get religion into the science class you hae to reject the scriptural account of creation and offer some sort of faux theory of religion that is neither religious nor scientific. Paul Finkelman Ed Brayton wrote: If you can't get the decision from the court's website

Re: Dover Intelligent-Design Case

2005-12-20 Thread Paul Finkelman
to happen in some places only after hell (if there is a hell) freezes over. paul finkelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although I do not disagree with the result in this case, I am troubled by the idea of judges deciding what is or what is not science. As far as I can tell, a Kuhnian

Re: Dover Intelligent-Design Case

2005-12-20 Thread Paul Finkelman
religious believers well-served by those who subscribe to a by any means necessary approach to the legal and political project of officializing Christianity? Steve Sanders Quoting Paul Finkelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Perhaps it is a holiday gift for those who celebrate the anniversary of the birth

Re: Dover Intelligent-Design Case

2005-12-20 Thread Paul Finkelman
could be persuaded by the facts, and that instead he must be a liberal activist out to attack all religion in America. But, in this case, maybe the judge actually read the scientific evidence. Paul Finkelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/20/2005 12:39:32 P.M

Re: Dover Case

2005-12-21 Thread Paul Finkelman
call yourself or someone else calls you. Most law professors of course are not Dr., despite the JD degree. Paul (Call me Paul) Finkelman, Ph.D. -- Paul Finkelman Chapman Distinguished Professor of Law University of Tulsa College of Law 3120 East 4th Place Tulsa, OK 74105 918-631-3706 (voice

Re: Calmness, politeness, and political balance

2005-12-24 Thread Paul Finkelman
It should have read, Moderation in pursuit of civility is no vice Paul Finkelman wrote: To paraphrase Barry Goldwater, Moderation in the pursuit of civility is not vice. Paul Finkelman Volokh, Eugene wrote: At times, people have admonished me for not being ideologically evenhanded in my

Encyclopedia entry on Intelligent Design

2006-01-11 Thread Paul Finkelman
Finkelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] or Jamie Ehrlich, the project manager at Civil Liberties [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Paul Finkelman Chapman Distinguished Professor of Law University of Tulsa College of Law 3120 East 4th Place Tulsa, OK 74105 918-631-3706 (voice) 918-631-2194 (fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Racist Man Sentenced To Attend Black Church

2006-01-17 Thread Paul Finkelman
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Re: Racist Man Sentenced To Attend Black Church

2006-01-17 Thread Paul Finkelman
in a mostly black school for a month; go live in a dorm at an HBCU for a month, etc. OR the court could just send him to the slammer for a disorderly conduct. Paul Finkelman Volokh, Eugene wrote: Wouldn't there be an Establishment Clause problem, though? -Original Message- From

Re: Racist Man Sentenced To Attend Black Church

2006-01-17 Thread Paul Finkelman
aying longer in jail) has been treated as coercion. Am I mistaken about those cases? Do people think those cases are mistaken? Do they think the cases are inapplicable here? Eugene -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Paul Finke

Re: Pink Triangles and Religious Liberty

2006-01-26 Thread Paul Finkelman
, and let the two persecuted groups meet together in a place of refuge. Paul Finkelman Quoting Rick Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Steve: I agree with your point about whiny victims and the culture of complaint. But here is the problem. One group of whiny complainers asks for a Pink Triangle

most important recent decisions

2006-02-14 Thread Paul Finkelman
. -- Paul Finkelman Chapman Distinguished Professor of Law University of Tulsa College of Law 3120 East 4th Place Tulsa, OK 74105 918-631-3706 (voice) 918-631-2194 (fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu

Re: most important recent decisions

2006-02-15 Thread Paul Finkelman
, NY 11367 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 718.340.4447 - Original Message - From: Paul Finkelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lawprof [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]; ConLaw Prof conlawprof@lists.ucla.edu mailto:conlawprof@lists.ucla.edu; Law

Re: most important recent decisions

2006-02-15 Thread Paul Finkelman
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Finkelman Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:21 AM To: Lawprof; ConLaw Prof; Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: most important recent decisions I am trying to get a sense of what the most important recent US Sup. Ct. decisions are for the past 4

Re: Missouri declares Christianity its official religion.

2006-03-03 Thread Paul Finkelman
e messages to others. -- Paul Finkelman Chapman Distinguished Professor of Law University of Tulsa College of Law 3120 East 4th Place Tulsa, OK 74104-3189 918-631-3706 (office) 918-631-2194 (fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To post, send message to Religi

Re: Catholic Charities Issue

2006-03-11 Thread Paul Finkelman
. Paul Finkelman Rick Duncan wrote: The Boston Globe has two good articles today on the decision by the Archdiocese to end its adoption services rather than submit to the government's antidiscrimination rules requiring the Church to place children with homosexual couples despite its sincerely

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