Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola APCOR
At one time they did go to trucking here and now they are going back to the Med freg's. I think it has to do with all the storms we have here in Florida and to move help into areas and to be able to talk. I know when they did the trucking it just did not work. - Original Message - From: "Steve Helton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 4:22 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola APCOR >I am in SW Ohio and everyone here in my part of the country has abandoned > MEDCOM based on what I stated before. The hospitals in my area that the > squads communicate to are getting encrypted radios on the trunked system. > I > just attended a radio training class for one of the newest digital trunked > systems to go on line and the legal eagles were very specific about NOT > communicating patient info on clear channels. Their legal opinion was that > it violated HIPPA. I am not aware of anyone in my part of the country that > still uses MEDCOM for that reason. I was an active field paramedic for > over > 15 years and we used MEDCOM exclusively for communications to the > hospitals > including the EKG transmit function but that was way back in the 70's, > 80's > and early 90's. We had the mobile repeater in our vehicles and the MEDCOM > clamshell radio that we took to the patient. We covered a 4 county area so > the mobile repeater was critical. > > > > Steve Helton, N8RTY > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -Original Message- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Riley Frazee > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 16:00 > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola APCOR > > HIPPA only deals with patient specific information examples are, SOC. SEC > number birth date, name, pts address, pts phone number etc. not their > medical information. you are still allowed to give your medical report > over > the radio, an 85 y.o. female that is complaining of severe abdominal pain > etc. etc. as long as you do not say her name ex: ms. Jones is > complaining of severe abdomincal pain today etc. etc. and son on with > your medical.. If you have information about eht federal law on medical > privacy please do email it to me as i would like to see it if there is > such > a law our service would need to update... soon than we had planned thanks > Riley. (Asst. EMS Director) > >>From: "Steve Helton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: [email protected] >>To: >>Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola APCOR >>Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 15:45:41 -0400 >> >>The reason these radios are now coming on the market is that the Federal >>law >>on medical privacy (HIPPA) is requiring the encryption of any medical >>information between the field units and the hospitals. Squads that >>transmit >>patient info in the clear face severe penalties. Some of the squads have >>gone to digital cell phones and some are now going to encrypted radios on >>their trunked public safety radio system as more areas switch to trunking >>system. All of the MEDCOM UHF frequencies are being abandoned since >>encryption is not a provision of the APCOR radios. The only frequencies >>that >>we are still hearing activity on is the two MEDCOM "dispatch" channels >>which >>are being used by the medical helicopters for actual dispatch only >>(location >>coordinates, etc.) but not patient information. >> >> >> >>Steve Helton, N8RTY >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>-Original Message- >>From: [email protected] >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Coy Hilton >>Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 00:24 >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola APCOR >> >>Eric, Wasn't the MX500 at one time, Motorolas Cadilac HT? Did they >>have the same conector problems? We had only one in our entire Fire >>dept. It seemed to have few but weard problems. That goes back 25 >>years. >>73 >>AC0Y >> >> >> >>--- In [email protected], Eric Lemmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>wrote: >> > Al, >> > >> > I picked up a 12 watt APCOR unit a year ago, but have not found >>the time or >> > patience to repair it, let alone try to modify it. The Coronary >>Observation >> > Radios act as vehicular repeaters, and operate on the UHF "Med" >>channels in >> > reverse- that is receive low, transmit high. They are based upon >>the MX300 >> > modules, and us
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola APCOR
I am in SW Ohio and everyone here in my part of the country has abandoned MEDCOM based on what I stated before. The hospitals in my area that the squads communicate to are getting encrypted radios on the trunked system. I just attended a radio training class for one of the newest digital trunked systems to go on line and the legal eagles were very specific about NOT communicating patient info on clear channels. Their legal opinion was that it violated HIPPA. I am not aware of anyone in my part of the country that still uses MEDCOM for that reason. I was an active field paramedic for over 15 years and we used MEDCOM exclusively for communications to the hospitals including the EKG transmit function but that was way back in the 70's, 80's and early 90's. We had the mobile repeater in our vehicles and the MEDCOM clamshell radio that we took to the patient. We covered a 4 county area so the mobile repeater was critical. Steve Helton, N8RTY [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Riley Frazee Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 16:00 To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola APCOR HIPPA only deals with patient specific information examples are, SOC. SEC number birth date, name, pts address, pts phone number etc. not their medical information. you are still allowed to give your medical report over the radio, an 85 y.o. female that is complaining of severe abdominal pain etc. etc. as long as you do not say her name ex: ms. Jones is complaining of severe abdomincal pain today etc. etc. and son on with your medical.. If you have information about eht federal law on medical privacy please do email it to me as i would like to see it if there is such a law our service would need to update... soon than we had planned thanks Riley. (Asst. EMS Director) >From: "Steve Helton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: >Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola APCOR >Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 15:45:41 -0400 > >The reason these radios are now coming on the market is that the Federal >law >on medical privacy (HIPPA) is requiring the encryption of any medical >information between the field units and the hospitals. Squads that transmit >patient info in the clear face severe penalties. Some of the squads have >gone to digital cell phones and some are now going to encrypted radios on >their trunked public safety radio system as more areas switch to trunking >system. All of the MEDCOM UHF frequencies are being abandoned since >encryption is not a provision of the APCOR radios. The only frequencies >that >we are still hearing activity on is the two MEDCOM "dispatch" channels >which >are being used by the medical helicopters for actual dispatch only >(location >coordinates, etc.) but not patient information. > > > >Steve Helton, N8RTY >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >-Original Message- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Coy Hilton >Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 00:24 >To: [email protected] >Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola APCOR > >Eric, Wasn't the MX500 at one time, Motorolas Cadilac HT? Did they >have the same conector problems? We had only one in our entire Fire >dept. It seemed to have few but weard problems. That goes back 25 >years. >73 >AC0Y > > > >--- In [email protected], Eric Lemmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >wrote: > > Al, > > > > I picked up a 12 watt APCOR unit a year ago, but have not found >the time or > > patience to repair it, let alone try to modify it. The Coronary >Observation > > Radios act as vehicular repeaters, and operate on the UHF "Med" >channels in > > reverse- that is receive low, transmit high. They are based upon >the MX300 > > modules, and use a separate channel element for each frequency. > > > > The service manual for the 1 watt models P24ESN3150A and >P24ESN3151A is > > 6881021C05, which costs just $ 3.06- an incredible price. The >service manual > > for the 12 watt model P44ESN3191A is 6881021C10, which costs $ >35.37. > > > > One of the reasons the APCOR units are plentiful on the surplus >market is > > because the MX300 system is plagued with connector problems, sort >of the Edsel > > of radio designs. The unit I have was removed from service only a >few months > > before I bought it. What's really scary is that it was junk, but >was being > > carried on an ambulance in Huntington Beach, CA! > > > > I have read a few articles about converting the APCOR into a Ham >repeater, but > > none of them sp
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola APCOR
The Privacy issues is a real valid point, But here in the Chicago Metro area Every Ambulance still use 155.340 in the Clear to relay personal info to the Local Hospital while transporting the patient. I Have a friend who a few yrs back did Convert one of the units to a Low power Emergency 440 Repeater Don KA9QJG Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola APCOR
Steve Helton wrote: > The reason these radios are now coming on the market is that the Federal law > on medical privacy (HIPPA) is requiring the encryption of any medical > information between the field units and the hospitals. Squads that transmit > patient info in the clear face severe penalties. Some of the squads have > gone to digital cell phones and some are now going to encrypted radios on > their trunked public safety radio system as more areas switch to trunking > system. All of the MEDCOM UHF frequencies are being abandoned since > encryption is not a provision of the APCOR radios. The only frequencies that > we are still hearing activity on is the two MEDCOM "dispatch" channels which > are being used by the medical helicopters for actual dispatch only (location > coordinates, etc.) but not patient information. Actually, the reason they got rid of the Apcor's and Biocom's is that they were 3-lead ECG, and hospitals went to 5-lead. Nobody was able to do 5-lead ECG in a normal 25Khz bandwidth FM channel. So it all just went away. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola APCOR
HIPPA only deals with patient specific information examples are, SOC. SEC number birth date, name, pts address, pts phone number etc. not their medical information. you are still allowed to give your medical report over the radio, an 85 y.o. female that is complaining of severe abdominal pain etc. etc. as long as you do not say her name ex: ms. Jones is complaining of severe abdomincal pain today etc. etc. and son on with your medical.. If you have information about eht federal law on medical privacy please do email it to me as i would like to see it if there is such a law our service would need to update... soon than we had planned thanks Riley. (Asst. EMS Director) >From: "Steve Helton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: >Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola APCOR >Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 15:45:41 -0400 > >The reason these radios are now coming on the market is that the Federal >law >on medical privacy (HIPPA) is requiring the encryption of any medical >information between the field units and the hospitals. Squads that transmit >patient info in the clear face severe penalties. Some of the squads have >gone to digital cell phones and some are now going to encrypted radios on >their trunked public safety radio system as more areas switch to trunking >system. All of the MEDCOM UHF frequencies are being abandoned since >encryption is not a provision of the APCOR radios. The only frequencies >that >we are still hearing activity on is the two MEDCOM "dispatch" channels >which >are being used by the medical helicopters for actual dispatch only >(location >coordinates, etc.) but not patient information. > > > >Steve Helton, N8RTY >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >-Original Message- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Coy Hilton >Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 00:24 >To: [email protected] >Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola APCOR > >Eric, Wasn't the MX500 at one time, Motorolas Cadilac HT? Did they >have the same conector problems? We had only one in our entire Fire >dept. It seemed to have few but weard problems. That goes back 25 >years. >73 >AC0Y > > > >--- In [email protected], Eric Lemmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >wrote: > > Al, > > > > I picked up a 12 watt APCOR unit a year ago, but have not found >the time or > > patience to repair it, let alone try to modify it. The Coronary >Observation > > Radios act as vehicular repeaters, and operate on the UHF "Med" >channels in > > reverse- that is receive low, transmit high. They are based upon >the MX300 > > modules, and use a separate channel element for each frequency. > > > > The service manual for the 1 watt models P24ESN3150A and >P24ESN3151A is > > 6881021C05, which costs just $ 3.06- an incredible price. The >service manual > > for the 12 watt model P44ESN3191A is 6881021C10, which costs $ >35.37. > > > > One of the reasons the APCOR units are plentiful on the surplus >market is > > because the MX300 system is plagued with connector problems, sort >of the Edsel > > of radio designs. The unit I have was removed from service only a >few months > > before I bought it. What's really scary is that it was junk, but >was being > > carried on an ambulance in Huntington Beach, CA! > > > > I have read a few articles about converting the APCOR into a Ham >repeater, but > > none of them spent a lot of print space to extol its virtues. > > > > 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY > > > > Al Wolfe wrote: > > > > > Hi, all, > > > One of the few Dayton acquisitions this year was a Motorola >APCOR unit. > > > Apparently it was designed for medical/EMT use and is supposed >to be able to > > > do full duplex. Does anyone have any technical info on this unit >they would > > > care to share? It looks like it might make a decent >field/temporary/portable > > > repeater. > > > > > > Al, K9SI > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola APCOR
I don't know what state you are in but, Florida is doing a big overhaul of the Med Freg and getting ALL the health care people back on them. They have switched them all to 12.5 freg's. with a plan on what PL tone they must use. Just had on center install a Vertex VXR-7000 with a 2nd one on hot standby. - Original Message - From: "Steve Helton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 3:45 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola APCOR > The reason these radios are now coming on the market is that the Federal > law > on medical privacy (HIPPA) is requiring the encryption of any medical > information between the field units and the hospitals. Squads that > transmit > patient info in the clear face severe penalties. Some of the squads have > gone to digital cell phones and some are now going to encrypted radios on > their trunked public safety radio system as more areas switch to trunking > system. All of the MEDCOM UHF frequencies are being abandoned since > encryption is not a provision of the APCOR radios. The only frequencies > that > we are still hearing activity on is the two MEDCOM "dispatch" channels > which > are being used by the medical helicopters for actual dispatch only > (location > coordinates, etc.) but not patient information. > > > > Steve Helton, N8RTY > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -Original Message- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Coy Hilton > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 00:24 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola APCOR > > Eric, Wasn't the MX500 at one time, Motorolas Cadilac HT? Did they > have the same conector problems? We had only one in our entire Fire > dept. It seemed to have few but weard problems. That goes back 25 > years. > 73 > AC0Y > > > > --- In [email protected], Eric Lemmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> Al, >> >> I picked up a 12 watt APCOR unit a year ago, but have not found > the time or >> patience to repair it, let alone try to modify it. The Coronary > Observation >> Radios act as vehicular repeaters, and operate on the UHF "Med" > channels in >> reverse- that is receive low, transmit high. They are based upon > the MX300 >> modules, and use a separate channel element for each frequency. >> >> The service manual for the 1 watt models P24ESN3150A and > P24ESN3151A is >> 6881021C05, which costs just $ 3.06- an incredible price. The > service manual >> for the 12 watt model P44ESN3191A is 6881021C10, which costs $ > 35.37. >> >> One of the reasons the APCOR units are plentiful on the surplus > market is >> because the MX300 system is plagued with connector problems, sort > of the Edsel >> of radio designs. The unit I have was removed from service only a > few months >> before I bought it. What's really scary is that it was junk, but > was being >> carried on an ambulance in Huntington Beach, CA! >> >> I have read a few articles about converting the APCOR into a Ham > repeater, but >> none of them spent a lot of print space to extol its virtues. >> >> 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY >> >> Al Wolfe wrote: >> >> > Hi, all, >> > One of the few Dayton acquisitions this year was a Motorola > APCOR unit. >> > Apparently it was designed for medical/EMT use and is supposed > to be able to >> > do full duplex. Does anyone have any technical info on this unit > they would >> > care to share? It looks like it might make a decent > field/temporary/portable >> > repeater. >> > >> > Al, K9SI > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola APCOR
The reason these radios are now coming on the market is that the Federal law on medical privacy (HIPPA) is requiring the encryption of any medical information between the field units and the hospitals. Squads that transmit patient info in the clear face severe penalties. Some of the squads have gone to digital cell phones and some are now going to encrypted radios on their trunked public safety radio system as more areas switch to trunking system. All of the MEDCOM UHF frequencies are being abandoned since encryption is not a provision of the APCOR radios. The only frequencies that we are still hearing activity on is the two MEDCOM "dispatch" channels which are being used by the medical helicopters for actual dispatch only (location coordinates, etc.) but not patient information. Steve Helton, N8RTY [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Coy Hilton Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 00:24 To: [email protected] Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola APCOR Eric, Wasn't the MX500 at one time, Motorolas Cadilac HT? Did they have the same conector problems? We had only one in our entire Fire dept. It seemed to have few but weard problems. That goes back 25 years. 73 AC0Y --- In [email protected], Eric Lemmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Al, > > I picked up a 12 watt APCOR unit a year ago, but have not found the time or > patience to repair it, let alone try to modify it. The Coronary Observation > Radios act as vehicular repeaters, and operate on the UHF "Med" channels in > reverse- that is receive low, transmit high. They are based upon the MX300 > modules, and use a separate channel element for each frequency. > > The service manual for the 1 watt models P24ESN3150A and P24ESN3151A is > 6881021C05, which costs just $ 3.06- an incredible price. The service manual > for the 12 watt model P44ESN3191A is 6881021C10, which costs $ 35.37. > > One of the reasons the APCOR units are plentiful on the surplus market is > because the MX300 system is plagued with connector problems, sort of the Edsel > of radio designs. The unit I have was removed from service only a few months > before I bought it. What's really scary is that it was junk, but was being > carried on an ambulance in Huntington Beach, CA! > > I have read a few articles about converting the APCOR into a Ham repeater, but > none of them spent a lot of print space to extol its virtues. > > 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY > > Al Wolfe wrote: > > > Hi, all, > > One of the few Dayton acquisitions this year was a Motorola APCOR unit. > > Apparently it was designed for medical/EMT use and is supposed to be able to > > do full duplex. Does anyone have any technical info on this unit they would > > care to share? It looks like it might make a decent field/temporary/portable > > repeater. > > > > Al, K9SI Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola APCOR
Coy, I've never seen an MX500, but I remember using the MX300R for an Air Force project back in the mid-80's. This was a ruggedized model that was encased in a black rubber jacket. Although somewhat reliable, they were pretty expensive- about $3,800 per copy with DVP encryption. The problems I referred to in the APCOR were similar to those seen in the 300-series handheld radios of the same vintage, where each of the functional elements in the radio was in a plug-in module. My buddies in the radio business said that every 300-series radio built had a problem with contact corrosion of looseness at least once in its lifetime- which was remarkably short. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY Coy Hilton wrote: > Eric, Wasn't the MX500 at one time, Motorola's Cadillac HT? Did they > have the same connector problems? We had only one in our entire Fire > dept. It seemed to have few but weird problems. That goes back 25 > years. > 73 > AC0Y Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
