Re: [SoaS] [IAEP] [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page
Hi... I have been advocating for SoaS to run on both Intel and PowerPC platforms all along. I think Sugar Labs has done pretty well with getting it up and running on the Intel machines and should continue working in that direction. At the same time, there are still a lot of the old PowerPC Macs floating around. They are well built and last a long time. It is pretty hard to convince a principal (or superintendent or school board) that they should buy new hardware if the old stuff is still working... especially in these lean times. There are some folks in SoCal who are playing around with getting Sugar to run on the old Macs. They were inspired when someone was given a set of the old Mac "clamshell" machines. So far they haven't reported back whether they have had any success, but I know they are working on it. Most of these are folks who met Sugar at the Southern California Linux Expo (SCaLE) in the last 2 years. I'd like to remind all of you that SCaLE 9X will take place at the Los Angeles Airport Hilton Hotel on Feb 25-27, 2011. It would be great if some of you from Sugar Labs could attend, and even present. There are a lot of open-source advocates in the Southern California area, and this is the time and place to encourage them to volunteer some time with Sugar Labs. Here is a link to the Call For Papers if you would like to do a presentation: http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale9x/blog/scale-9x-call-papers There will probably also be a OLPC/SugarLabs booth again. Volunteers to help there would be very welcome! Caryl Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 09:34:55 +1200 From: [email protected] To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [SoaS] [IAEP] [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page On 16 September 2010 09:00, Tabitha Roder wrote: If we support VIrtualBox we should probably also support VMWare, Hyper-V, KVM and Xen. Who's going to do all that testing when we have barely the resources to do a single image. Peter I am a teacher of sorts and have been into loads of education institutes from pre school through to tertiary. Apple is everywhere so we have to solve this problem. Apple designs vertically integrated systems. If schools & teachers decide to adopt this philosophy, they take the risk that they can't use external stuff. I don't know if Sugar Labs have the capacity to remedy this. I think that Sugar Labs should focus on making quality software, and push responsibility for adoption downstream to distributions and companies/orgs that want to promote Sugar's adoption. I'm sorry for my lack of sympathy, but I don't see Sugar running natively on a Mac platform as a priority for Sugar Labs. It's a priority, but we have many priorities and few resources. I use Virtualbox and have a geek master to turn to for help when I need it. I have not heard of those other virtual machine things and all the teachers I know that have tried a virtual machine have done so with Virtualbox or something called bootcamp (which might not even be a virtual machine, who knows?) You're right there, Boot Camp[1] is not virtualisation. It is more like an installer to make things easier for people to install a second operating system. It assists people with repartitioning their hard drives and so forth. I think that Boot Camp is a good route to investigate if someone has the energy. Perhaps some intrepid Mac users could adapt current tutorials[3] for Sugar. Tim [1] http://www.apple.com/support/bootcamp/ [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BootCamp [2] http://www.helium.com/items/421906-how-to-install-linux-on-an-intel-mac-with-boot-camp [note: marketing list removed from discussion] ___ SoaS mailing list [email protected] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas ___ SoaS mailing list [email protected] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas
Re: [SoaS] [IAEP] [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page
On 16 September 2010 09:00, Tabitha Roder wrote: > If we support VIrtualBox we >> should probably also support VMWare, Hyper-V, KVM and Xen. Who's going >> to do all that testing when we have barely the resources to do a >> single image. >> >> Peter >> >> > I am a teacher of sorts and have been into loads of education institutes > from pre school through to tertiary. Apple is everywhere so we have to solve > this problem. > Apple designs vertically integrated systems. If schools & teachers decide to adopt this philosophy, they take the risk that they can't use external stuff. I don't know if Sugar Labs have the capacity to remedy this. I think that Sugar Labs should focus on making quality software, and push responsibility for adoption downstream to distributions and companies/orgs that want to promote Sugar's adoption. I'm sorry for my lack of sympathy, but I don't see Sugar running natively on a Mac platform as a priority for Sugar Labs. It's a priority, but we have many priorities and few resources. > I use Virtualbox and have a geek master to turn to for help when I need it. > I have not heard of those other virtual machine things and all the teachers > I know that have tried a virtual machine have done so with Virtualbox or > something called bootcamp (which might not even be a virtual machine, who > knows?) You're right there, Boot Camp[1] is not virtualisation. It is more like an installer to make things easier for people to install a second operating system. It assists people with repartitioning their hard drives and so forth. I think that Boot Camp is a good route to investigate if someone has the energy. Perhaps some intrepid Mac users could adapt current tutorials[3] for Sugar. Tim [1] http://www.apple.com/support/bootcamp/ [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BootCamp [2] http://www.helium.com/items/421906-how-to-install-linux-on-an-intel-mac-with-boot-camp [note: marketing list removed from discussion] ___ SoaS mailing list [email protected] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas
Re: [SoaS] [IAEP] [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page
I suspect that it may be better to just support just running Sugar inside VirtualBox. You are probably more likely to find school users have this open source flavour deployed than the other virtual machine engines. I suspect that there is a good chance that issues related to getting Sugar to work inside this will very probably overlap and resolve those with other products. Late last year, I met some technical contacts with Oracle (Sun) who indicated that they are happy to provide support to enable Sugar to work inside VirtualBox. Could this be worth following up? Regards Roland On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 6:33 AM, [email protected] wrote: > Hi Walter, > > On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Walter Bender > wrote: > > I've been doing some work on the Get Sugar landing page in the wiki, > > which has been the source of some confusion amongst our potential user > > community. My proposed modifications (See > > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Walter/Get_Sugar) are an attempt to > > streamline and consolidate the instructions for first-time users. > > Feedback and testing requested. > > Some feedback > > For the Mac side of things I think we would be better dealing with it > from a direct boot option and then having a separate virtualisation > option as in terms of GUI say VirtualBox is the same across all > platforms. > > Also I'd like to note that its been discussed in the past about doing > images for particular virtualisation platforms and the reason we've > shied away from that is because all virtualisation platforms support > booting of .iso files and its then easy to do an install from there. > By doing this it allows us to ship and QA a single image and support > it on both physical and virtual platforms. If we support VIrtualBox we > should probably also support VMWare, Hyper-V, KVM and Xen. Who's going > to do all that testing when we have barely the resources to do a > single image. > > Peter > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > [email protected] > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > -- Roland Gesthuizen - ICT Coordinator - Westall Secondary College http://www.westallsc.vic.edu.au "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed it is the only thing that ever has." --Margaret Mead ___ SoaS mailing list [email protected] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas
