Re: [SoaS] [Marketing] [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:28 PM, [email protected] wrote: > On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 10:14 PM, Walter Bender > wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:06 PM, [email protected] >> wrote: >>> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Walter Bender >>> wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:52 PM, [email protected] wrote: > On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Walter Bender > wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:33 PM, [email protected] >> wrote: >>> Hi Walter, >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Walter Bender >>> wrote: I've been doing some work on the Get Sugar landing page in the wiki, which has been the source of some confusion amongst our potential user community. My proposed modifications (See http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Walter/Get_Sugar) are an attempt to streamline and consolidate the instructions for first-time users. Feedback and testing requested. >>> >>> Some feedback >>> >>> For the Mac side of things I think we would be better dealing with it >>> from a direct boot option and then having a separate virtualisation >>> option as in terms of GUI say VirtualBox is the same across all >>> platforms. >> >> Do we have a robust direct boot option? I thought that was still >> causing more headaches than it was worth (from the support >> perspective). > > 64 bit yes, and the other graphics issues will be fixed by Fedora 14 > beta (if they're not already). Where are the instructions for the 64-bit version? The only instructions I can find (http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Mac) refer to a helper CD. >>> >>> Not sure about the wiki but they're here: >>> >>> http://spins.fedoraproject.org/soas/#downloads >>> >>> There are two problems with the Mac platform: >>> 1) Linux doesn't support 32 bit platforms from 64 bit EFI systems. >>> This is a kernel issue and is the case on all platforms. Someone I >>> know at one of the major server companies was going to have a look at >>> this for me as all their new servers will be 64 bit and are EFI based >>> and while they will only support 64 bit on them they have customers >>> that will want to run 32 bit. I've followed up but not heard anything >>> back. >>> >>> 2) Graphics support due to some random way the Mac platform deals with >>> its GPU initialisation. This will be fixed for F-14 (and so SoaSv4). >>> The patches might also fix #1 but I don't have Macs to test. >>> >>> # 2 should be in the F-14 beta so testers would be welcome on 64 bit >>> and it would be interesting to see if it also fixes #1 as well. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Peter >>> >> >> Is there a recommended way to create the Live USB on a Mac? Or is it >> still recommended to create the stick on a GNU/Linux or Windows box? > > TBH I have no idea as I don't have access to one to be able to test. > Its certainly a platform that could do with more developer testing but > as my nearest Mac that I can test on is a 4 hour round trip its only > something I do every now and again when I'm at my mates place and I > normally do that using a pre created key. > > I know that liveusb creator was created with the a background idea of > supporting Mac platforms in the future. Its written in QT and with the > underlying Mac platform supporting all the Linux style commands out of > the box it wouldn't be hard to add Mac support if someone has a > project they wish to do or support. Its been discussed but > unfortunately people have been busy so its dropped down their priority > list. > > Peter > OK. I'll recommend that people use a different platform for creating their sticks. thanks for all the feedback. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ SoaS mailing list [email protected] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas
Re: [SoaS] [Marketing] [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 10:14 PM, Walter Bender wrote: > On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:06 PM, [email protected] > wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Walter Bender >> wrote: >>> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:52 PM, [email protected] >>> wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Walter Bender wrote: > On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:33 PM, [email protected] > wrote: >> Hi Walter, >> >> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Walter Bender >> wrote: >>> I've been doing some work on the Get Sugar landing page in the wiki, >>> which has been the source of some confusion amongst our potential user >>> community. My proposed modifications (See >>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Walter/Get_Sugar) are an attempt to >>> streamline and consolidate the instructions for first-time users. >>> Feedback and testing requested. >> >> Some feedback >> >> For the Mac side of things I think we would be better dealing with it >> from a direct boot option and then having a separate virtualisation >> option as in terms of GUI say VirtualBox is the same across all >> platforms. > > Do we have a robust direct boot option? I thought that was still > causing more headaches than it was worth (from the support > perspective). 64 bit yes, and the other graphics issues will be fixed by Fedora 14 beta (if they're not already). >>> >>> Where are the instructions for the 64-bit version? The only >>> instructions I can find >>> (http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Mac) refer to a helper >>> CD. >> >> Not sure about the wiki but they're here: >> >> http://spins.fedoraproject.org/soas/#downloads >> >> There are two problems with the Mac platform: >> 1) Linux doesn't support 32 bit platforms from 64 bit EFI systems. >> This is a kernel issue and is the case on all platforms. Someone I >> know at one of the major server companies was going to have a look at >> this for me as all their new servers will be 64 bit and are EFI based >> and while they will only support 64 bit on them they have customers >> that will want to run 32 bit. I've followed up but not heard anything >> back. >> >> 2) Graphics support due to some random way the Mac platform deals with >> its GPU initialisation. This will be fixed for F-14 (and so SoaSv4). >> The patches might also fix #1 but I don't have Macs to test. >> >> # 2 should be in the F-14 beta so testers would be welcome on 64 bit >> and it would be interesting to see if it also fixes #1 as well. >> >> Regards, >> Peter >> > > Is there a recommended way to create the Live USB on a Mac? Or is it > still recommended to create the stick on a GNU/Linux or Windows box? TBH I have no idea as I don't have access to one to be able to test. Its certainly a platform that could do with more developer testing but as my nearest Mac that I can test on is a 4 hour round trip its only something I do every now and again when I'm at my mates place and I normally do that using a pre created key. I know that liveusb creator was created with the a background idea of supporting Mac platforms in the future. Its written in QT and with the underlying Mac platform supporting all the Linux style commands out of the box it wouldn't be hard to add Mac support if someone has a project they wish to do or support. Its been discussed but unfortunately people have been busy so its dropped down their priority list. Peter ___ SoaS mailing list [email protected] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas
Re: [SoaS] [Marketing] [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:06 PM, [email protected] wrote: > On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Walter Bender > wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:52 PM, [email protected] >> wrote: >>> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Walter Bender >>> wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:33 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Hi Walter, > > On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Walter Bender > wrote: >> I've been doing some work on the Get Sugar landing page in the wiki, >> which has been the source of some confusion amongst our potential user >> community. My proposed modifications (See >> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Walter/Get_Sugar) are an attempt to >> streamline and consolidate the instructions for first-time users. >> Feedback and testing requested. > > Some feedback > > For the Mac side of things I think we would be better dealing with it > from a direct boot option and then having a separate virtualisation > option as in terms of GUI say VirtualBox is the same across all > platforms. Do we have a robust direct boot option? I thought that was still causing more headaches than it was worth (from the support perspective). >>> >>> 64 bit yes, and the other graphics issues will be fixed by Fedora 14 >>> beta (if they're not already). >> >> Where are the instructions for the 64-bit version? The only >> instructions I can find >> (http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Mac) refer to a helper >> CD. > > Not sure about the wiki but they're here: > > http://spins.fedoraproject.org/soas/#downloads > > There are two problems with the Mac platform: > 1) Linux doesn't support 32 bit platforms from 64 bit EFI systems. > This is a kernel issue and is the case on all platforms. Someone I > know at one of the major server companies was going to have a look at > this for me as all their new servers will be 64 bit and are EFI based > and while they will only support 64 bit on them they have customers > that will want to run 32 bit. I've followed up but not heard anything > back. > > 2) Graphics support due to some random way the Mac platform deals with > its GPU initialisation. This will be fixed for F-14 (and so SoaSv4). > The patches might also fix #1 but I don't have Macs to test. > > # 2 should be in the F-14 beta so testers would be welcome on 64 bit > and it would be interesting to see if it also fixes #1 as well. > > Regards, > Peter > Is there a recommended way to create the Live USB on a Mac? Or is it still recommended to create the stick on a GNU/Linux or Windows box? thanks. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ SoaS mailing list [email protected] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas
Re: [SoaS] [Marketing] [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Walter Bender wrote: > On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:52 PM, [email protected] > wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Walter Bender >> wrote: >>> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:33 PM, [email protected] >>> wrote: Hi Walter, On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Walter Bender wrote: > I've been doing some work on the Get Sugar landing page in the wiki, > which has been the source of some confusion amongst our potential user > community. My proposed modifications (See > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Walter/Get_Sugar) are an attempt to > streamline and consolidate the instructions for first-time users. > Feedback and testing requested. Some feedback For the Mac side of things I think we would be better dealing with it from a direct boot option and then having a separate virtualisation option as in terms of GUI say VirtualBox is the same across all platforms. >>> >>> Do we have a robust direct boot option? I thought that was still >>> causing more headaches than it was worth (from the support >>> perspective). >> >> 64 bit yes, and the other graphics issues will be fixed by Fedora 14 >> beta (if they're not already). > > Where are the instructions for the 64-bit version? The only > instructions I can find > (http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Mac) refer to a helper > CD. Not sure about the wiki but they're here: http://spins.fedoraproject.org/soas/#downloads There are two problems with the Mac platform: 1) Linux doesn't support 32 bit platforms from 64 bit EFI systems. This is a kernel issue and is the case on all platforms. Someone I know at one of the major server companies was going to have a look at this for me as all their new servers will be 64 bit and are EFI based and while they will only support 64 bit on them they have customers that will want to run 32 bit. I've followed up but not heard anything back. 2) Graphics support due to some random way the Mac platform deals with its GPU initialisation. This will be fixed for F-14 (and so SoaSv4). The patches might also fix #1 but I don't have Macs to test. # 2 should be in the F-14 beta so testers would be welcome on 64 bit and it would be interesting to see if it also fixes #1 as well. Regards, Peter ___ SoaS mailing list [email protected] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas
Re: [SoaS] [Marketing] [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:52 PM, [email protected] wrote: > On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Walter Bender > wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:33 PM, [email protected] >> wrote: >>> Hi Walter, >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Walter Bender >>> wrote: I've been doing some work on the Get Sugar landing page in the wiki, which has been the source of some confusion amongst our potential user community. My proposed modifications (See http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Walter/Get_Sugar) are an attempt to streamline and consolidate the instructions for first-time users. Feedback and testing requested. >>> >>> Some feedback >>> >>> For the Mac side of things I think we would be better dealing with it >>> from a direct boot option and then having a separate virtualisation >>> option as in terms of GUI say VirtualBox is the same across all >>> platforms. >> >> Do we have a robust direct boot option? I thought that was still >> causing more headaches than it was worth (from the support >> perspective). > > 64 bit yes, and the other graphics issues will be fixed by Fedora 14 > beta (if they're not already). Where are the instructions for the 64-bit version? The only instructions I can find (http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Mac) refer to a helper CD. regards. -walter > >> I agree that we should note that the VM solution works on all >> platforms, not just the Mac. >> >>> >>> Also I'd like to note that its been discussed in the past about doing >>> images for particular virtualisation platforms and the reason we've >>> shied away from that is because all virtualisation platforms support >>> booting of .iso files and its then easy to do an install from there. >>> By doing this it allows us to ship and QA a single image and support >>> it on both physical and virtual platforms. If we support VIrtualBox we >>> should probably also support VMWare, Hyper-V, KVM and Xen. Who's going >>> to do all that testing when we have barely the resources to do a >>> single image. >> >> It seems that Tom has been testing Virtual Box. If other VMs have >> testers, we can add those to the list. > > I've no doubt but the release team have no idea how they're created. > So if he wishes to provide the support that's fine by me. Myself I use > KVM personally and have 1000s of VMWare vms at work. I've never used > VirtualBox. When the open virtual exchange option works well where you > could import a single "open virtual image" into any VM platform > actually works I think it would be great but having dealt with those > problems with associated companies its not currently worth the pain > and the live iso image on all platforms is still the one that works > consistently everywhere. > > Peter > -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ SoaS mailing list [email protected] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas
Re: [SoaS] [Marketing] [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Walter Bender wrote: > On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:33 PM, [email protected] > wrote: >> Hi Walter, >> >> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Walter Bender >> wrote: >>> I've been doing some work on the Get Sugar landing page in the wiki, >>> which has been the source of some confusion amongst our potential user >>> community. My proposed modifications (See >>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Walter/Get_Sugar) are an attempt to >>> streamline and consolidate the instructions for first-time users. >>> Feedback and testing requested. >> >> Some feedback >> >> For the Mac side of things I think we would be better dealing with it >> from a direct boot option and then having a separate virtualisation >> option as in terms of GUI say VirtualBox is the same across all >> platforms. > > Do we have a robust direct boot option? I thought that was still > causing more headaches than it was worth (from the support > perspective). 64 bit yes, and the other graphics issues will be fixed by Fedora 14 beta (if they're not already). > I agree that we should note that the VM solution works on all > platforms, not just the Mac. > >> >> Also I'd like to note that its been discussed in the past about doing >> images for particular virtualisation platforms and the reason we've >> shied away from that is because all virtualisation platforms support >> booting of .iso files and its then easy to do an install from there. >> By doing this it allows us to ship and QA a single image and support >> it on both physical and virtual platforms. If we support VIrtualBox we >> should probably also support VMWare, Hyper-V, KVM and Xen. Who's going >> to do all that testing when we have barely the resources to do a >> single image. > > It seems that Tom has been testing Virtual Box. If other VMs have > testers, we can add those to the list. I've no doubt but the release team have no idea how they're created. So if he wishes to provide the support that's fine by me. Myself I use KVM personally and have 1000s of VMWare vms at work. I've never used VirtualBox. When the open virtual exchange option works well where you could import a single "open virtual image" into any VM platform actually works I think it would be great but having dealt with those problems with associated companies its not currently worth the pain and the live iso image on all platforms is still the one that works consistently everywhere. Peter ___ SoaS mailing list [email protected] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas
Re: [SoaS] [Marketing] [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:33 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Hi Walter, > > On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Walter Bender > wrote: >> I've been doing some work on the Get Sugar landing page in the wiki, >> which has been the source of some confusion amongst our potential user >> community. My proposed modifications (See >> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Walter/Get_Sugar) are an attempt to >> streamline and consolidate the instructions for first-time users. >> Feedback and testing requested. > > Some feedback > > For the Mac side of things I think we would be better dealing with it > from a direct boot option and then having a separate virtualisation > option as in terms of GUI say VirtualBox is the same across all > platforms. Do we have a robust direct boot option? I thought that was still causing more headaches than it was worth (from the support perspective). I agree that we should note that the VM solution works on all platforms, not just the Mac. > > Also I'd like to note that its been discussed in the past about doing > images for particular virtualisation platforms and the reason we've > shied away from that is because all virtualisation platforms support > booting of .iso files and its then easy to do an install from there. > By doing this it allows us to ship and QA a single image and support > it on both physical and virtual platforms. If we support VIrtualBox we > should probably also support VMWare, Hyper-V, KVM and Xen. Who's going > to do all that testing when we have barely the resources to do a > single image. It seems that Tom has been testing Virtual Box. If other VMs have testers, we can add those to the list. > > Peter > ___ > Marketing mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing > Thanks. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ SoaS mailing list [email protected] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas
