Re: [Biofuel] Body Counts
Hmmm. I didn't really notice that, but now that you mention it, you're right. I thought it was interesting the big news item that the decision to not use the term stay the course any more turned into. No discussion of the actual war, but lots of talking about how to accurately talk about it I always preferred the term stay and die myself. On 10/24/06, robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I generally get my news from National Public Radio. Has anyone else noticed that as the mid-term elections have drawn close, the news is no longer reporting total US military losses? I've been hearing about October being the worst month this year for US casualties, but there is no longer any mention of the overall American death toll. Is this true of other media outlets, too? Of course, there isn't any discussion of an overall Iraqi death toll, either, though I'm hearing about official deaths in Baghdad on a daily basis. I listened to a Carl Rove interview this afternoon and felt struck that he sounded like a raving lunatic. Maybe he is, and maybe that's how he talks, but I heard a sense of desperation in his voice I hadn't been expecting. He thinks the Republican party will retain its hold on both houses of Congress--as if the Democrats would really DO anything to stop the direction of my country anyway . . . I'd really like a bumper sticker that says: End the war--send the twins!, but I don't think the nice Fatherland Security folks at the border would appreciate my message! robert luis rabelloThe Edge of JusticeAdventure for Your Mindhttp://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] IS WVO BIO-DEGRADABLE?
Thanks Jim Roy --- JAMES PHELPS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes it is, I had 35 gallons that I tilled into garden soil last fall, and it composted in great, but I had to till it a couple of times. Raised a fantastic crop of squash and cucumbers in that spot! Jim - Original Message - From: ROY Washbish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] IS WVO BIO-DEGRADABLE? Thanks Jason Roy --- Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: its biodegradeable, but itll make a godawful sloppy mess. put the sludge into a compost pile, and mix it in real well. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: ROY Washbish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 10:51 AM Subject: [Biofuel] IS WVO BIO-DEGRADABLE? Hi All I had a WVO spill in my basement and am wondering if it is bio-degradable. Can I dump this WVO on the land and expect it to go away? Thanks for your help. Roy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.11/493 - Release Date: 10/23/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.11/494 - Release Date: 10/24/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Forces Join Behind Waste-based Energy
Hi Keith and all, I'm a bit concerned that the forces for burning trash is trying to greenwash itself by tying itself to landfill gas burning. They are very different entities from the pollution generation point of view. If you have landfills they are going to produce methane anyway so it should be utilized. Methane is a greenhouse gasand probably has more impact than carbon dioxide. Burning methane to generate electricity makes sense in the context of landfills. It's cleaner burning than other fossil fuels. Burning trash to generate electricity, has been and will continue to be a bad idea. It is not a consistant or clean burning fuel. It generates dioxins and many other pollutants. The ash still requies a landfill. They produce tons of small particulates each year.Just say no to this union. Tom From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 01:00:07 -0200Subject: [Biofuel] Forces Join Behind Waste-based EnergyFrom: Waste News, Oct. 9, 2006http://www.precaution.org/lib/06/prn_waste-based_energy_plan.061009.h tm[Printer-friendly version]Forces Join Behind Waste-based EnergyBy Joe TruiniIt's the birth of a new partnership, and a new term, to boot.Several waste industry groups, along with a professional and a governmental organization, have formed a loose coalition to promote recovering energy from waste, what they call waste-based energy.The coalition wants to educate lawmakers and the public that waste provides a vast amount of resources to generate energy and that there is a distinction among the various technologies, said Ted Michaels, president of the Integrated Waste Services Association, which represents the waste-to-energy industry."To avoid some confusion, we wanted to make it clear that there was a whole universe of waste-based energy," he said. "Federal and state policy makers ought to look at developing a full range of incentives to encourage waste-based energy projects."Such projects not only include burning waste to create electricity, or waste-to-energy, but other means of converting waste to energy, such as capturing landfill gas."The energy capacity available from solid waste is largely untapped," said John Skinner, executive director and CEO of the Solid Waste Association of North America.Joining SWANA and the ISWA in the partnership are the National Solid Wastes Management Association, the American Society of Mechanical Engineers and the U.S. Conference of Mayors.But the coalition's efforts simply distract from real waste management and energy-saving solutions such as waste prevention, reduction and recycling, said Monica Wilson of the Global Alliance for Incinerator Alternatives.And pushing waste-to-energy and landfill gas projects under the umbrella of renewable energy takes away from other sources such wind and solar power, Wilson said."It just sounds like an attempt to take advantage of America's growing concern over energy costs," she said. "I'd say these folks are trying to move us in the wrong direction."But waste-based energy not only provides reliable and affordable energy, it also can lessen the cost of waste management services for cities, said Tom Cochran, executive director of the U.S. Conference of Mayors.The coalition has not developed an action plan but will work with Congress, federal agencies, state governments and private companies to promote waste-based energy. Its goal is to increase incentives and investment in the industry."We are certainly interested in keeping our eyes open on the Hill for opportunities," Michaels said. "It's a matter of educating folks and letting them know that there is an awful lot of energy that can be tapped in the waste stream."The nation's 89 waste-to-energy plants have total power generation capacity of nearly 2,700 megawatts, about 20 percent of all renewable energy.Contact Waste News reporter Joe Truini at (330) 865-6166 or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Body Counts
Can't wait until the election is over so we can get back to wreckinng the country. More debt. More war. Gay marriage! -The Republicans Zeke Yewdall wrote: Hmmm. I didn't really notice that, but now that you mention it, you're right. I thought it was interesting the big news item that the decision to not use the term stay the course any more turned into. No discussion of the actual war, but lots of talking about how to accurately talk about it I always preferred the term stay and die myself. On 10/24/06, *robert and benita rabello* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I generally get my news from National Public Radio. Has anyone else noticed that as the mid-term elections have drawn close, the news is no longer reporting total US military losses? I've been hearing about October being the worst month this year for US casualties, but there is no longer any mention of the overall American death toll. Is this true of other media outlets, too? Of course, there isn't any discussion of an overall Iraqi death toll, either, though I'm hearing about official deaths in Baghdad on a daily basis. I listened to a Carl Rove interview this afternoon and felt struck that he sounded like a raving lunatic. Maybe he is, and maybe that's how he talks, but I heard a sense of desperation in his voice I hadn't been expecting. He thinks the Republican party will retain its hold on both houses of Congress--as if the Democrats would really DO anything to stop the direction of my country anyway . . . I'd really like a bumper sticker that says: End the war--send the twins!, but I don't think the nice Fatherland Security folks at the border would appreciate my message! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] was...Forces Join Behind Waste-based Energy
Hi Keith, Yes it certainly seems that there is a whole lot of greenwashing going on. Extracting methane from garbage, digesters, intense recycling, composting and reclaiming are all good things to do. My problem is with burning raw garbage and releasing tons of furans, dioxins, heavy metals and all manner of crap into the air. Conglomerates are gearing up to incinerate tons of garbage without adequate scrubbing/emission controls, provisions for handling co2 and calling it renewable energy. Sad indeed. Now why can't we have more of THESE types of facilities. Landfill Gas Fuels New Brick Plant http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1161691802.news regards tallex ---Original Message--- From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Forces Join Behind Waste-based Energy Sent: 25 Oct '06 03:00 From: Waste News, Oct. 9, 2006 http://www.precaution.org/lib/06/prn_waste-based_energy_plan.061009.h tm[Printer-friendly version] Forces Join Behind Waste-based Energy By Joe Truini It's the birth of a new partnership, and a new term, to boot. Several waste industry groups, along with a professional and a governmental organization, have formed a loose coalition to promote recovering energy from waste, what they call waste-based energy. The coalition wants to educate lawmakers and the public that waste provides a vast amount of resources to generate energy and that there is a distinction among the various technologies, said Ted Michaels, president of the Integrated Waste Services Association, which represents the waste-to-energy industry. To avoid some confusion, we wanted to make it clear that there was a whole universe of waste-based energy, he said. Federal and state policy makers ought to look at developing a full range of incentives to encourage waste-based energy projects. Such projects not only include burning waste to create electricity, or waste-to-energy, but other means of converting waste to energy, such as capturing landfill gas. The energy capacity available from solid waste is largely untapped, said John Skinner, executive director and CEO of the Solid Waste Association of North America. Joining SWANA and the ISWA in the partnership are the National Solid Wastes Management Association, the American Society of Mechanical Engineers and the U.S. Conference of Mayors. But the coalition's efforts simply distract from real waste management and energy-saving solutions such as waste prevention, reduction and recycling, said Monica Wilson of the Global Alliance for Incinerator Alternatives. And pushing waste-to-energy and landfill gas projects under the umbrella of renewable energy takes away from other sources such wind and solar power, Wilson said. It just sounds like an attempt to take advantage of America's growing concern over energy costs, she said. I'd say these folks are trying to move us in the wrong direction. But waste-based energy not only provides reliable and affordable energy, it also can lessen the cost of waste management services for cities, said Tom Cochran, executive director of the U.S. Conference of Mayors. The coalition has not developed an action plan but will work with Congress, federal agencies, state governments and private companies to promote waste-based energy. Its goal is to increase incentives and investment in the industry. We are certainly interested in keeping our eyes open on the Hill for opportunities, Michaels said. It's a matter of educating folks and letting them know that there is an awful lot of energy that can be tapped in the waste stream. The nation's 89 waste-to-energy plants have total power generation capacity of nearly 2,700 megawatts, about 20 percent of all renewable energy. Contact Waste News reporter Joe Truini at (330) 865-6166 or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net Next Generation Grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ Earth_Rescue_International http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Earth_Rescue_International/ Tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)
Hi Mike, Yeah, my distiller has that drip thingy too. But I don't trust it very much. It is just too small and the water merely flows over a the carbon granules. So I use a faucet mounted carbon block filter. It is a Pur but Brita and some others make them too. I collect that filtered water and then distill it. I am familiar with Bronson. I think that is the company that Linus Pauling used as his source for vitamin C. Ok about the vit min supplement. You got your bases covered. I take the same stuff, basically.Because Ihave periodontal disease, Ialso take grapefruit seed extract, olive leaf extract, and MSM. If I layoff taking these, I get a bloody toothbrush that reminds me that I need to stay with the program. Oh, and I do take colloidal silver too. Peace light, D. Mindock - Original Message - From: MK DuPree To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) Hi D...regarding removing the gases, the distiller I use finishes the process by dripping the water through a carbon filter. Is this what you're talking about? Regarding the mineral replacement, I take a vitamin and mineral supplementfrom a company called Bronson. They call it "Insurance Formula." It is a formulation basedon a book written by a Dr. Roger J. Williams,The Wonderful World Within You(Bantam, 1977) (How's that for documentation, Bob?)It's been ages since I've read the book, so can't tellyou a damn thing about it. We buy direct from Bronson, not a multilevel deal or anything. Prices seem real good, so have never considered anything else. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: D. Mindock To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 1:58 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was HypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) Hi Mike, Yep, homogenization breaks the particles down to such a small size that they can pass through the gut into the body cavitywhere they put a burden on the immune system. Pastuerization adds to the problem by destroying the "life force" of the milk, the enzymes. Of course the milk has to be from a healthy animal that is grass fed. Soy is controversial in that it has hormonal effects. Also it is a GM crop with all that that implies. But if you seem to be thriving on it, eh, what the heck? WRT distilled water, just take an extra mineral tablet each day. That's what I do. The thing with distillers is that they are poor wrt to removing volatile gases, like benzene, etc. So I run the water through a carbon filter like that from Pur to get those gases out. Also there's the removal of lead, cadmium, etc.,then the distiller cleans up the residual. So the water is pretty clean. It is strange though that the Pur filter allows the flouride to pass through. Who needs that crap? Anyway, the distiller removes it. Peace and light, D. Mindock - Original Message - From: MK DuPree To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis asAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) Hi D and Mike...isn't homogenized milk whipped up into incredibly small particles that actually scar the lining of the esophagus and arteries, thereby, allowing cholesterol to more easily coagulate along the linings? Whether or not it does, I say "soy milk." I know I know...tastes terrible, to some. But I only use it on cereals and a couple of desserts. Plenty of other stuffto be drinking, likeuh, waterdistilled of course...I know I know minerals etc etc...hey...distilledperiod...and don't bother me about taste...if you can taste it, it ain't water you're tasting! Yeah, I'm closed minded on this one!! LOL Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: "D. Mindock" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 2:56 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as AnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) Hi Mike, I think Weston Price would say to drink raw milk. When milk is pastuerized and homogenized, it becomes harmful to the body. So those drinking less of the bad milk in the Harvard study would actually be better off. Myself, I don't drink milk unless I can get it raw and organic. Also, even better, is to add kefir culture to it. I think the Hunzas drink their milk cultured, not straight up.
Re: [Biofuel] was...Forces Join Behind Waste-based Energy
Hi tallex Hi Keith, Yes it certainly seems that there is a whole lot of greenwashing going on. Extracting methane from garbage, digesters, intense recycling, composting and reclaiming are all good things to do. My problem is with burning raw garbage and releasing tons of furans, dioxins, heavy metals and all manner of crap into the air. Yes - ask Greenpeace why they dubbed Tokyo the Dioxin Capital of the World. :-( Conglomerates are gearing up to incinerate tons of garbage without adequate scrubbing/emission controls, provisions for handling co2 and calling it renewable energy. Sad indeed. Now why can't we have more of THESE types of facilities. Landfill Gas Fuels New Brick Plant http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1161691802.news Indeed - I saw that when you posted it, part of the reason I posted this. I don't know about the US in particular, but I get the impression there are a lot of projects like that worldwide, and that it's growing fast, even if it doesn't get the kind of money and sheer force thrown at it that clean coal and clean nukes do, and now clean garbage too (LOL!). Kind of explosive growth in the mad depredations of berserk corporations too, eh? Looks like they're cashing the world in while it's still there - of course it would still be there indefinitely if all these out-of-control bottom-lines weren't so bent on cashing it in, but they don't seem to see it that way. Mass corporate cognitive dissonance. Well so what - it's their days that are numbered, not Gaia's. IMHO. Regards Keith regards tallex ---Original Message--- From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Forces Join Behind Waste-based Energy Sent: 25 Oct '06 03:00 From: Waste News, Oct. 9, 2006 http://www.precaution.org/lib/06/prn_waste-based_energy_plan.061009.h tm[Printer-friendly version] Forces Join Behind Waste-based Energy By Joe Truini It's the birth of a new partnership, and a new term, to boot. Several waste industry groups, along with a professional and a governmental organization, have formed a loose coalition to promote recovering energy from waste, what they call waste-based energy. The coalition wants to educate lawmakers and the public that waste provides a vast amount of resources to generate energy and that there is a distinction among the various technologies, said Ted Michaels, president of the Integrated Waste Services Association, which represents the waste-to-energy industry. To avoid some confusion, we wanted to make it clear that there was a whole universe of waste-based energy, he said. Federal and state policy makers ought to look at developing a full range of incentives to encourage waste-based energy projects. Such projects not only include burning waste to create electricity, or waste-to-energy, but other means of converting waste to energy, such as capturing landfill gas. The energy capacity available from solid waste is largely untapped, said John Skinner, executive director and CEO of the Solid Waste Association of North America. Joining SWANA and the ISWA in the partnership are the National Solid Wastes Management Association, the American Society of Mechanical Engineers and the U.S. Conference of Mayors. But the coalition's efforts simply distract from real waste management and energy-saving solutions such as waste prevention, reduction and recycling, said Monica Wilson of the Global Alliance for Incinerator Alternatives. And pushing waste-to-energy and landfill gas projects under the umbrella of renewable energy takes away from other sources such wind and solar power, Wilson said. It just sounds like an attempt to take advantage of America's growing concern over energy costs, she said. I'd say these folks are trying to move us in the wrong direction. But waste-based energy not only provides reliable and affordable energy, it also can lessen the cost of waste management services for cities, said Tom Cochran, executive director of the U.S. Conference of Mayors. The coalition has not developed an action plan but will work with Congress, federal agencies, state governments and private companies to promote waste-based energy. Its goal is to increase incentives and investment in the industry. We are certainly interested in keeping our eyes open on the Hill for opportunities, Michaels said. It's a matter of educating folks and letting them know that there is an awful lot of energy that can be tapped in the waste stream. The nation's 89 waste-to-energy plants have total power generation capacity of nearly 2,700 megawatts, about 20 percent of all renewable energy. Contact Waste News reporter Joe Truini at (330) 865-6166 or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing
Re: [Biofuel] I did it!
I am finally running my 1983 Chevy Pickup on biodiesel! I first started visiting the biofuels website 5 years ago, and after 5 years I am finally doing it! Well done Bobby! I have a question; how do you separate the impurities from the glycerine? My wife is wanting to use some of it to make soaps. Is it difficult? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_glycsep.html Separating glycerine/FFAs HTH. Best Keith Thanks for the help that many of you have given me. I really appreciate it! Bobby Clark ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Ozone Hole
Hello all. This is going to be a skin burning summer in the south without UV protection, see NASA's Earth Observatory news: Ozone Hole Reaches Record Size http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/NewImages/images.php3?img_id=17436 Best. Juan Information from NOD32 This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System for Linux Mail Servers. http://www.eset.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Carbon Freeze?
Hi Mike, I really like what you wrote about shaking hands with the person who grew your food. The next question might be; if we do not love this planet enough to stop GHG emmissions will their come a time when the climate will not be condusive to growing food? Terry Dyck From: MK DuPree [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Carbon Freeze? Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 09:55:17 -0500 Quote at the end of the article: The point is not whether Gaia is alive or not, but rather, whether we can learn to love life enough to save the planet. -- Colin Wright The challenge to this learning is essentially that most of us are basically unplugged from the planet. When was the last time your feet actually touched the ground and not concrete? When was the last time you looked the grower of your food in the eye and shook his or her hand? How many more questions like this can we all ask? Perhaps this article will help us gain a bit of motivation to accept the challenge, if for no one else, our children. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:00 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Carbon Freeze? http://eatthestate.org/11-03/CarbonFreeze.htm (October 12, 2006) Carbon Freeze? Recently I've been reading Revenge of Gaia by James Lovelock. Though it sounds like a science fiction novel (and some will critique it that way), it is in fact an impassioned plea for recognizing the depth of the climate crisis and a call to action. Gaia, or the notion of a living planet Earth, was proposed by Lovelock in the 1960s when he was a planet scientist for NASA looking at the inert atmosphere of Mars. It occurred to him that life itself on Earth was manipulating the atmosphere to its own benefit. While the Earth Science community has now recognized that our planet does indeed self-regulate its temperature and composition, it shies away from Lovelock's contention that there is an active, willful component to Gaia. Now Lovelock is back, arguing that the regulating mechanisms are failing; in fact, that Gaia has a fever and is raising her temperature to get rid of us. As anthropomorphic as this notion is, Lovelock at 82 is no crackpot. I recently saw him at the University Bookstore, and he comes across as the genteel but sharp-witted English scientist that he is. As a fellow of the Royal Society, Britain's most prestigious science organization, he is on top of the latest climate science. And unlike most scientists, he feels that his objectivity is not compromised by speaking out. Much of the science in the book is familiar: the hockey-stick-like rise in global temperatures in recent years, the dramatic loss of ice in Greenland and the Antarctic and Arctic, the melting permafrost, etc. But Lovelock adds some new twists and goes beyond the smooth and linear temperature increases that characterize the IPCC predictions. For Lovelock, discontinuities and tipping points in the form of sudden temperature rises will bring irreversible change and add up to a bleak future where humanity itself is threatened. Lovelock advances the notion that the Earth is returning to a new hot state, about eight degrees Centigrade warmer, that will last a hundred thousand years or more. Such an episode did occur about 55 million years ago, when massive methane releases overwhelmed the planet. As corroborating evidence that we could enter a new hot state, Lovelock points to his computer simulations that mimic algae growth in the oceans. According to his model, when carbon dioxide levels begin to exceed about 500 parts per million, the ocean algae with their ability to absorb carbon and promote cloud cover become extinct, leading to an abrupt jump in global temperature of around eight degrees. This sort of temperature jump would turn much of the planet into scrub and desert, which together with massive flooding would lead to a catastrophic die-off in the human population. To be sure, these sorts of predictions are speculative at this stage. The new IPCC report is due out next year (and it is rumored to be frightening). But it would be foolish to ignore the possibility that letting carbon dioxide levels rise to 500 ppm would put the lives of billions of people at risk. (Note, according to Paul Roberts' The End of Oil, that even if we stabilized carbon emissions at current levels--a carbon freeze--we will reach 520 ppm by 2100. If we do nothing, we will hit 550 ppm by mid-century.) Even if we have already passed a point of no return, Lovelock advocates replacing our fossil fuels as soon as possible to slow the temperature increases and to buy us more time. He proposes a range of alternative energies, including nuclear fission, until we can develop nuclear fusion, which
Re: [Biofuel] Major Problems Of Surviving Peak Oil
Hi Bob, New Zealand must be the perfect place to live. You have won awards for environmental projects and you are planting seeds to grow diesel trees. Congratulations. Those beaches you mentioned could be in trouble, though, when the sea rises. Terry Dyck From: Bob Molloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Major Problems Of Surviving Peak Oil Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:48:43 +1300 Jeez Mike, No, definitely not New Zealand, we've limited our population to four million and we only have an area just a little larger than the British Isles. Besides we've got an anti-nuclear policy and live under an ozone hole for much of the summer. Anyway we've got too much water and forest and mountains and stuff, the South Pole is just over the horizon, we've got all these beaches that nobody uses, deer and horses and pig that run wild, eels in every stream, fish coming out of our ears and sheep everywhere. You'd hate it. Trust me, Bob. - Original Message - From: MK DuPree To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 1:07 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Major Problems Of Surviving Peak Oil See Stephen Leeb's The Coming Economic Collapse: How You Can Thrive When Oil Costs $200 a Barrel. Leeb would have us buying stocks in various companies because that's his business. The points he makes about why the price of oil must rise to levels far beyond we know today are my reason for directing our attention to the book. It really does come down to a massive population growing exponentially and an economic model promoted by the USA. Bottom line is, we're screwed, at least as far as the world as we've known it run on oil is concerned. Maybe all the JTF List could put our money, talents, and lives together on some remote island or somewhere in New Zealand and start something that might survive through the coming chaos and become a beacon of hope to the world. Use the JTF Credo as our basis for community life. I'm serious! What, aint gonna happen??? Ah well, to unquote something the bard didn't say, all's not well that doesn't end well. Ah well... Mike DuPree ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ Buy, Load, Play. The new Sympatico / MSN Music Store works seamlessly with Windows Media Player. Just Click PLAY. http://musicstore.sympatico.msn.ca/content/viewer.aspx?cid=SMS_Sept192006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Major Problems Of Surviving Peak Oil
Hi Terry, The projected rise in sea levels is about five metres (just over 16 feet) in the next 100 years. That gives us plenty of time to pick up our beach umbrellas and move back a few feet. Over 90 per cent of our population lives with a half-hour drive of the sea so the issue is one of great interest here. In my case it will bring the nearest tidal water (currently 300 yards away) to within a hundred yards of my front lawn and maybe take out a few of my grape vines. It's a worry I tell you. Regards, Bob. - Original Message - From: Terry Dyck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 8:48 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Major Problems Of Surviving Peak Oil Hi Bob, New Zealand must be the perfect place to live. You have won awards for environmental projects and you are planting seeds to grow diesel trees. Congratulations. Those beaches you mentioned could be in trouble, though, when the sea rises. Terry Dyck From: Bob Molloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Major Problems Of Surviving Peak Oil Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:48:43 +1300 Jeez Mike, No, definitely not New Zealand, we've limited our population to four million and we only have an area just a little larger than the British Isles. Besides we've got an anti-nuclear policy and live under an ozone hole for much of the summer. Anyway we've got too much water and forest and mountains and stuff, the South Pole is just over the horizon, we've got all these beaches that nobody uses, deer and horses and pig that run wild, eels in every stream, fish coming out of our ears and sheep everywhere. You'd hate it. Trust me, Bob. - Original Message - From: MK DuPree To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 1:07 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Major Problems Of Surviving Peak Oil See Stephen Leeb's The Coming Economic Collapse: How You Can Thrive When Oil Costs $200 a Barrel. Leeb would have us buying stocks in various companies because that's his business. The points he makes about why the price of oil must rise to levels far beyond we know today are my reason for directing our attention to the book. It really does come down to a massive population growing exponentially and an economic model promoted by the USA. Bottom line is, we're screwed, at least as far as the world as we've known it run on oil is concerned. Maybe all the JTF List could put our money, talents, and lives together on some remote island or somewhere in New Zealand and start something that might survive through the coming chaos and become a beacon of hope to the world. Use the JTF Credo as our basis for community life. I'm serious! What, aint gonna happen??? Ah well, to unquote something the bard didn't say, all's not well that doesn't end well. Ah well... Mike DuPree ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Carbon Freeze?
Hi Terry...you asked, "if we do not love this planetenough to stop GHG emmissions will their come a time when the climate willnot be condusive to growing food?" That is the path upon which we are headed, perhaps irreversibly by now. But I'm only going on the information I continue to read here on the List and elsewhere. Hey, maybe it's all some weird propaganda and not really true, just some junk those "liberals" keep throwing up? Whatever. Did you see Juan Boveda's post on the ozone hole of 2006 being the largest on record? Mass extinction is nothing new on the planet. If someone would care to try and dissuade me, I'd love to be dissuaded, but I'm afraid I'm caving in to the thought of it. There will be survivors and their progeny. I suspect their places on the planet for doing so are already staked out and well fortified. Interesting to think about the ideology that also survives and goes forward. Personally, I don't know how to come grips with it all. More and more I find myself looking forward to going to bed, closing my eyes, and dreaming it all away. Never used to be that way--too much happening to sleep much; too little time to behold it. My wife isbecoming more and moreannoyedwith my mental slippage, especiallyabout something I "can't do anything about." She's Irish andwill keep on smiling come hell or high water, until you break your word with her. Then expectthe ozone hole to grow larger by at least the size of your body. My neighbor manages to keep a smile on his face, but he saw deathup close and perhaps even more absurd in Vietnam. A close friend of mine for years who lives far away from me now also manages to keep smiling, at least when we visit by phone or through email, although recently he admitted to me that he, too, had to fight off thoughts and their effects of what's coming. He cracked up in Pakistan years ago working for the government, but has recovered admirably. So I accept bedtime more readily than ever before in my life, but what troubles me most about this is that it is because I want to. So, yeah, Terry, no moreclimate conduciveto growinganything except maybe cockroaches who apparently have survived through everything for millenia. Crazy cockroaches. Wait...a bulletin on TV...live from the White House...another cockroach. Says we must stay the course. I suspect he would also stand behind this quote, "Free government does not bestow repose upon its' citizens, but sets them in the vanguard of battle to defend the liberty of every man." "Every man" who is a cockroach, he whispers, then smiles that smirky smile he sometimes almost winces to put on his face. I'm not going to bed. I'm going outside to rake leaves and behold an especially colorful autumn. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: "Terry Dyck" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Carbon Freeze? Hi Mike, I really like what you wrote about shaking hands with the person who grew your food. The next question might be; if we do not love this planet enough to stop GHG emmissions will their come a time when the climate will not be condusive to growing food? Terry Dyck From: "MK DuPree" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Carbon Freeze?Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 09:55:17 -0500Quote at the end of the article: The point is not whether Gaia is alive ornot, but rather, whether we can learn to love life enough to save theplanet. -- Colin WrightThe challenge to this learning is essentially that most of us are basicallyunplugged from the planet. When was the last time your feet actuallytouched the ground and not concrete? When was the last time you looked thegrower of your food in the eye and shook his or her hand? How many morequestions like this can we all ask? Perhaps this article will help us gaina bit of motivation to accept the challenge, if for no one else, ourchildren. Mike DuPree- Original Message -From: "Keith Addison" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:00 AMSubject: [Biofuel] Carbon Freeze? http://eatthestate.org/11-03/CarbonFreeze.htm (October 12, 2006) Carbon Freeze? Recently I've been reading "Revenge of Gaia" by James Lovelock. Though it sounds like a science fiction novel (and some will critique it that way), it is in fact an impassioned plea for recognizing the depth of the climate crisis and a call to action. Gaia, or the notion of a living planet Earth, was proposed by Lovelock in the 1960s when he was a planet scientist for NASA looking at the inert atmosphere of Mars. It occurred to him that life itself on Earth was manipulating the atmosphere to its own benefit. While the Earth Science community has now recognized that our planet does indeed self-regulate its temperature and
Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness(WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)
Hi D...good idea collecting the water thru the Pur first then distilling. Muy excellente!!! Linus Pauling...a true hero. Man, sorry to hear about the periodontal stuff. But glad you have a remedy. The colloidal silver I keep hearing about, but haven't tried.Just haven'tfeltthe need. The wife and I don't do the flu shot stuff,but with whatever else we're doing,the years keep rolling byso far without any viral problems. Maybe being a bit ornery helps. Mike - Original Message - From: D. Mindock To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness(WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) Hi Mike, Yeah, my distiller has that drip thingy too. But I don't trust it very much. It is just too small and the water merely flows over a the carbon granules. So I use a faucet mounted carbon block filter. It is a Pur but Brita and some others make them too. I collect that filtered water and then distill it. I am familiar with Bronson. I think that is the company that Linus Pauling used as his source for vitamin C. Ok about the vit min supplement. You got your bases covered. I take the same stuff, basically.Because Ihave periodontal disease, Ialso take grapefruit seed extract, olive leaf extract, and MSM. If I layoff taking these, I get a bloody toothbrush that reminds me that I need to stay with the program. Oh, and I do take colloidal silver too. Peace light, D. Mindock - Original Message - From: MK DuPree To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) Hi D...regarding removing the gases, the distiller I use finishes the process by dripping the water through a carbon filter. Is this what you're talking about? Regarding the mineral replacement, I take a vitamin and mineral supplementfrom a company called Bronson. They call it "Insurance Formula." It is a formulation basedon a book written by a Dr. Roger J. Williams,The Wonderful World Within You(Bantam, 1977) (How's that for documentation, Bob?)It's been ages since I've read the book, so can't tellyou a damn thing about it. We buy direct from Bronson, not a multilevel deal or anything. Prices seem real good, so have never considered anything else. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: D. Mindock To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 1:58 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was HypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) Hi Mike, Yep, homogenization breaks the particles down to such a small size that they can pass through the gut into the body cavitywhere they put a burden on the immune system. Pastuerization adds to the problem by destroying the "life force" of the milk, the enzymes. Of course the milk has to be from a healthy animal that is grass fed. Soy is controversial in that it has hormonal effects. Also it is a GM crop with all that that implies. But if you seem to be thriving on it, eh, what the heck? WRT distilled water, just take an extra mineral tablet each day. That's what I do. The thing with distillers is that they are poor wrt to removing volatile gases, like benzene, etc. So I run the water through a carbon filter like that from Pur to get those gases out. Also there's the removal of lead, cadmium, etc.,then the distiller cleans up the residual. So the water is pretty clean. It is strange though that the Pur filter allows the flouride to pass through. Who needs that crap? Anyway, the distiller removes it. Peace and light, D. Mindock - Original Message - From: MK DuPree To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis asAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) Hi D and Mike...isn't homogenized milk whipped up into incredibly small particles that actually scar the lining of the esophagus and arteries, thereby, allowing cholesterol to more easily coagulate along the linings? Whether or not it does, I say "soy milk." I know I know...tastes terrible, to some. But I only use it on cereals and a couple of desserts. Plenty of other stuffto be drinking, likeuh, waterdistilled of course...I know I know minerals etc
Re: [Biofuel] Ozone Hole
damn, thats a lot of blue. and i thought we had it on the retreat there for a while... Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Juan Boveda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 2:03 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Ozone Hole Hello all. This is going to be a skin burning summer in the south without UV protection, see NASA's Earth Observatory news: Ozone Hole Reaches Record Size http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/NewImages/images.php3?img_id=17436 Best. Juan Information from NOD32 This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System for Linux Mail Servers. http://www.eset.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.11/497 - Release Date: 10/25/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.11/497 - Release Date: 10/25/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Presenter needed for a talk in N Florida
I have been invited to talk for an hour at a farm show in North Florida on November 4th, and I don't feel up to the task. Especially not on this short notice. Is there anyone who would feel up to the task of presenting a talk on biodiesel on this short notice? AP ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
