Re: [Biofuel] Gardening and Tires

2006-04-11 Thread Doug Foskey
1: In Australia, pallets are chipped (then the nails etc are sorted recycled) The chips go to mulch, etc. 2: Tractor tyres, with the sidewall cut out would make a good bed. (Use a pointy carving knife to cut the walls out- do not tell the wife! Women just do not understand! (TIC)) Lay

Re: [Biofuel] small oil presses, WVO and sustainability

2006-04-11 Thread Keith Addison
Well, I really appreciate all the responses to my post. However, I'm still at a loss as to what I can do, given only one acre of land and the need for a productive crop rotation from the same piece of land every year. So far, I saw one post that questioned whether you need crop rotation at

Re: [Biofuel] [IP] Is the US preparing to bomb Iran?

2006-04-11 Thread Keith Addison
How's about all dropping shares/stocks in oil and related products/goods, What if you'd have to buy them first but you haven't got any money? just dumping them and investing in gold? :-) That's worse than Euros, revolutionary talk, the Empire won't like it. You don't happen to have any WMDs

Re: [Biofuel] storing biodiesel in veggie oil 55g drums

2006-04-11 Thread Keith Addison
Hi James I recently scored 14 (!!!) 55g drums of new canola oil for free. Good score! :-) The pint/quart of canola left would add 0.23-0.46% triglycerides to 55 gallons of biodiesel. Even if your processing is good that's just enough to bump you out of the standards requirements. Bob and

Re: [Biofuel] sulphuric acids

2006-04-11 Thread Keith Addison
The extra water might not make any difference, as Joe Street and I were saying a month or so back. Some water is acceptable, but just how much is not easy to say, so it's safer to get rid of any and all water if you can. But your 93% sulphuric is worth a try. Start with low-FFA oil, preferably

[Biofuel] Fw: Honoring the Sacred Core of Islam

2006-04-11 Thread D. Mindock
Title: Honoring the Sacred Core of Islam I am forwarding this article as a way to introduce youto Stephan's writings. Peace, D. Mindock My Groups | stephendinan Main Page Forward freely...Honoring the Sacred Core of IslamSacred America series #12by

Re: [Biofuel] [IP] Is the US preparing to bomb Iran?

2006-04-11 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Keith, I hope you are right about Americans. Are enough of them agitating Congress so that some action will be taken that will rid us of the Dumb-Duo? Geez, it'd be so nice. (Maybe you see things more clearly from Tokyo.) Some people have been saying maybe you can only see the US from

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Honoring the Sacred Core of Islam

2006-04-11 Thread Hakan Falk
Interesting, but why do not tell that Christianity is the one of God's spin off that, historically and presently, is the most violent, indifferent and brutal version. Islam is probably on average least violent, even if you look at current statistics also. If you truly worship God, you

Re: [Biofuel] storing biodiesel in veggie oil 55g drums

2006-04-11 Thread james demer
Thanks for the great advice all! I will not worry about the trace amounts of oil this go-around. I like your idea Kieth of building a stand and making a lid from fiberglass. Today is my day off so I think I'll dust off the welder... Thanks, James On 4/11/06, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Biofuel] The Accidental Farmer

2006-04-11 Thread Ron Shirley Walker
THIS MIGHT BE USEFUL FOR YOU ETHANOL USERS I once saw in an old copy of Mother Earth News where a farmer had a good crop of corn but every one else had a good crop too and the market had taken a dive. He decided to convert his crop to ethanol. He had to go through all sorts of rigmarole to

Re: [Biofuel] Documentation on Wood Properties

2006-04-11 Thread Fritz Friesinger
Hi Jim,Michael, not to forget,that wood,sligthly burned will autoprotect (retard the fire) it self when burned and so keep the structural strengt longer! Fritz - Original Message - From: JJJN To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 11:52 PM

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Honoring the Sacred Core of Islam

2006-04-11 Thread lres1
Title: Honoring the Sacred Core of Islam We started with family structure, progressed to group structure, handing of power from patriarchs to the people, to the decline in racism, and the vote for women, we are now at the stage where religion needs to harmonize. The radicals are but few that

Re: [Biofuel] Separating Glycerine

2006-04-11 Thread Thomas Kelly
Ken, Thanks for your response. You wrote: "That's pretty clean oil -- should only have maybe 11g of FFA per liter,which will need about 5g (3ml) of85% H3PO4 (per liter oil) to separate.Sounds like you're using about 300X too much phosphoric acid." Each 4.5 gal cubie contains the

Re: [Biofuel] The Accidental Farmer

2006-04-11 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Ron, and all More about solar stills here: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_manual/manual15.html The Manual for the Home and Farm Production of Alcohol Fuel by S.W. Mathewson Chapter 15 SOLAR STILLS Best Keith THIS MIGHT BE USEFUL FOR YOU ETHANOL USERS I once saw in an

[Biofuel] Pallets, was Gardening and Tires

2006-04-11 Thread mark manchester
I remember this pallet recycling problem was discussed here a couple years ago. People were talking about using the reclaimed pallet wood in housing construction, like the lath strips you find in old plaster walls... I think it was Steve Spence was building his house that way? but that could be

Re: [Biofuel] Separating Glycerine

2006-04-11 Thread Thomas Kelly
Todd, I appreciate your response. I think you hit the nail on the head when you 1. suggested that I added too much acid 2. questioned how long I waited I added 1L 85%H3PO4 to each of 12 cubies. The next morning I did not see separation, nor did I see the mineral precip on the

Re: [Biofuel] Gardening and Tires

2006-04-11 Thread Burak
Hello Long time ago I have read an intelligent use of old tires to grow vegetation on desert. Basically they were reclaiming some of the desert back. They would make a carpet of tires which were chained together. They would fill them with dirt and grow orange trees if I am not mistaken. The

[Biofuel] Loose Change -- new video sheds new light on 9/11

2006-04-11 Thread D. Mindock
The video brings up new info that I've not seen before. The video makers did do a lot of work to pull a lot sources together. The 9/11tradgedy was, in spite of all the effort by the gov, a bungled job. It doesn't stand up to intelligent scrutiny. Now it is our job toget thedisgusting

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Honoring the Sacred Core of Islam

2006-04-11 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Doug and all We started with family structure, progressed to group structure, handing of power from patriarchs to the people, to the decline in racism, and the vote for women, we are now at the stage where religion needs to harmonize. The radicals are but few that influence/control a

Re: [Biofuel] Separating Glycerine

2006-04-11 Thread Appal Energy
Thomas, If you use one of those 1,000,000 candlepower flashlights and shine it through the HDPE container, you should be able to see the separation easily enough as well as the initial curdling.. As for putting the potassium phosphate on the compost pile? The better method would be to

Re: [Biofuel] Loose Change -- new video sheds new light on 9/11

2006-04-11 Thread Bob Carr
Hi just went to check this movie out and got a warning that it could be a fraud attempt. Could this be the big brother intervention that other threads have warned about?I wonder? Bob - Original Message - From: D. Mindock To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Tuesday,

Re: [Biofuel] Loose Change -- new video sheds new light on 9/11

2006-04-11 Thread Appal Energy
copy the url proper (not the entire hotlink) and paste it into your browser. Todd Swearingen Bob Carr wrote: Hi just went to check this movie out and got a warning that it could be a fraud attempt. Could this be the big brother intervention that other threads have warned about? I wonder?

Re: [Biofuel] Loose Change -- new video sheds new light on 9/11

2006-04-11 Thread Doug Turner
Bob I noticed the fraud warning as well so I googled "Loose Change" and was directed to the site. Seems legit. Doug Turner -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Bob CarrSent: April 11, 2006 12:41 PMTo:

Re: [Biofuel] Loose Change -- new video sheds new light on 9/11

2006-04-11 Thread Michael Redler
I've done some research on events discussed in this video.The facts about Operation North Woods was in fact discussed in Noam Chomsky's book Hegemony or Survival. It has a lot of credible information.In a documentary, it'sabsolutely critical to be accurate with ALL YOUR RESEARCH.On July

[Biofuel] Biodiesel test results

2006-04-11 Thread Keith Addison
Greetings all I mentioned a few months ago that we're doing some research collaboration with a local biofuels company here. They have biodiesel projects running in Japan and Southeast Asia, along with a business partnership with the chemistry professor at a major Japanese technical university

Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel test results

2006-04-11 Thread Darryl McMahon
Keith, well done! Super stuff and great information in the on-going wars of words regarding home brew quality. For my own clarification, all these tests were on acid-base process batches, correct? Any chance of getting similar testing done on single-stage base method, just for comparison

Re: [Biofuel] Loose Change -- new video sheds new light on 9/11

2006-04-11 Thread lres1
WW II could/would have been incited without AH. However it could not have been achieved without Sloan, Standard oil, Ford and guess who? $36M was the payoff from memory to Sloan of GM because his factory that produced military equipment/vehicles was bombed by the US. Hence the compensation.

Re: [Biofuel] NYTimes.com: With Big Boost From Sugar Cane, Brazil Is Satisfying Its Fuel Needs

2006-04-11 Thread I. S.
The nice thing about Brazil's ethanol program is the closed-loop cycle thatthey use. The sugar cane is harvested and brought to the mill where it pressed into a sugary syrup and dry mass. The dry mass is burned in efficient double-stage heat-capture boilers (at least in the better plants) to

Re: [Biofuel] The Accidental Farmer

2006-04-11 Thread I. S.
I just checked the journeytoforever site on ethanol stills - a FANTASTIC resource! Enough info to set up any kind ofhigh-quality system, with references - Once again I'm amazed at the concentration and quality of information - gracias!Peter I. SolemRon Shirley Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [Biofuel] small oil presses, WVO and sustainability

2006-04-11 Thread I. S.
Photovoltaics are pretty sustainable; let me explain why I think so before I get jumped! The original cells made in the fifties at Bell Labs are still generating power today; very long lifetimes exist with well built silicon infrastructure. New third generation silicon technology has the potential

Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: [IP] Is the US preparing to bomb Iran?]

2006-04-11 Thread I. S.
Today on the University ofCalifornia,Santa Cruz campus, an organized group of student protestors succeded in shutting down the campus job fair until the military recruiters were forced to leave! One student who was taking photos of police surveillance officers was arrested, but the students

Re: [Biofuel] Loose Change -- new video sheds new light on 9/11

2006-04-11 Thread I. S.
At the risk of generating a huge amount of hate mail, I have to point out that Bush's real crime was ignoring the FBI warnings as well as failing to act on the August 6th presidential daily briefing titled "Osama Bin Ladin determined to strike inside US". No warning to the airlines - why not?

Re: [Biofuel] Loose Change -- new video sheds new light on 9/11

2006-04-11 Thread marilyn
I just got the same message. Is everyone getting it? Mailyn Hi just went to check this movie out and got a warning that it could be a fraud attempt. Could this be the big brother intervention that other threads have warned about? I wonder? Bob - Original Message - From: D. Mindock

Re: [Biofuel] Loose Change -- new video sheds new light on 9/11

2006-04-11 Thread marilyn
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote: copy the url proper (not the entire hotlink) and paste it into your browser. Todd Swearingen The message was in the content of my email, but it did not interfere with pasting the URL into my browser. Marilyn Bob Carr wrote: Hi just went to check this

Re: [Biofuel] Separating Glycerine

2006-04-11 Thread Derick Giorchino
My experience has been like this . I started in late summer to try to separate the cocktail. As with the wvo I used small test batches. The separation took much longer than I would have thought. But I did get separation. The batches I did seemed to get better with time but the temp was high 95 deg

Re: [Biofuel] Separating Glycerine

2006-04-11 Thread Ken Provost
On Apr 11, 2006, at 3:43 PM, Derick Giorchino wrote: My experience has been like this . I started in late summer to try to separate the cocktail. As with the wvo I used small test batches. The separation took much longer than I would have thought. But I did get separation. I think we're

[Biofuel] was.. Loose Change

2006-04-11 Thread AltEnergyNetwork
No, I've seen these warnings before. I think that it is someones antivirus/spyware program or mail server doing it. regards tallex ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Loose Change -- new video sheds new light on 9/11 Sent: 11 Apr '06 13:43

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Honoring the Sacred Core of Islam

2006-04-11 Thread Jason Katie
i dont really take stock in any religion, so i think i can see a lot of the problems with this topic. first of all, god does not create power, but gather it from those who believe in him/her/them, making it an item of thought. coming from so many places and people who have their own versions

Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel test results

2006-04-11 Thread JJJN
Thanks again Keith, I had great confidence in the tests at JtF before but even more now. I make them all a routine part of processing - when I have oil. That problem is starting to work out so today the future is not as black as yesterday. I also would like to say thanks for the organic

Re: [Biofuel] sulphuric acids

2006-04-11 Thread JJJN
Keith, Should he add 2-3 % more acid to make up the amount he is missing or would this just add more water? Keith Addison wrote: The extra water might not make any difference, as Joe Street and I were saying a month or so back. Some water is acceptable, but just how much is not easy to say,

Re: [Biofuel] Loose Change -- new video sheds new light on 9/11 - second thoughts

2006-04-11 Thread Martin Kemple
These are all good points, I.S. For more skepticism on Loose Change, see: http://www.indybay.org/news/2005/12/1787340.php and a number of websites cited therein. I haven't sorted it all through yet, and even the above site could itself be a dupe. Who knows? Bottom line for me, though, is that we

[Biofuel] WoodGas/Sysgas compressed for vehicle Fuel

2006-04-11 Thread Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD)
Why not compress Woodgas and run it in larger vehicles, buss, trucks and such. The vehicles would need to be large enoughto handle the storage tanks. Woodgas is about: CO 22% H2 18% CH4 3% CO26% N2 51% The excessive N2 in the gas causesproblem withstorage. So why not use a

[Biofuel] he he he - dump find!

2006-04-11 Thread Michael Luich
Is it so wrong that i'm gigling over finding what seems to be a perfectly good 40gal electric hot water heater at the dump?! Today's dump run yielded a wonderful find. An electric hot water heater! It looked in great shape sitting there. No obvious problems, and only rust stains on the bottom, no

Re: [Biofuel] sulphuric acids

2006-04-11 Thread Tom Rothweiler
I do not know if you will get the same chemical reaction with 93% vs. 95%. It may not be a simple calculation that more would be needed, as chemical reactions can differ with the amount of concentrate, heat, etc. You can buy 95%-98% sulfuric acid, ACS Reagent Grade at ChemLab Supply in

[Biofuel] Re fraud warning - Re: Loose Change -- new video sheds new light on 9/11

2006-04-11 Thread Keith Addison
Relax folks, or relax about this anyway. The list server put the fraud warning there, we all should have got it. MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from t.ymlp.com claiming to be... We asked the list's host service to add blanket MailScanner protection for the list last year

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Honoring the Sacred Core of Islam

2006-04-11 Thread Hakan Falk
I think that we are at the same footing in this, only that the jihad for the muslims, is not comparable to the exodus for the Jews or the crusades for the Christians. It is a Christian translation, to connect it with any sort of violence. As I understand Jihad, it is more comparable with

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Honoring the Sacred Core of Islam

2006-04-11 Thread lres1
- Original Message - From: Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Honoring the Sacred Core of Islam i dont really take stock in any religion, so i think i can see a lot of the problems with

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Honoring the Sacred Core of Islam

2006-04-11 Thread Jason Katie
hmmm, i didnt mean book as such , but yes i agree - Original Message - From: lres1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Honoring the Sacred Core of Islam - Original Message - From: Jason Katie

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Honoring the Sacred Core of Islam

2006-04-11 Thread Jason Katie
i did not explain myself well on the topic of the exodus, i meant the slavery and oppression leading to it. the exodus was an escape from the cruelties of greed and power. - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, April 11,

Re: [Biofuel] Loose Change -- new video sheds new light on 9/11 -second thoughts

2006-04-11 Thread lres1
Remember Bush was head of the CIA and other 3 letter agencies, do not think he has moved and left no connections from senior to Junior. What other countries can get father son as their tops with direct involvement and connections to 3 letter agencies? So why not impeach two Presidents

Re: [Biofuel] he he he - dump find!

2006-04-11 Thread Zeke Yewdall
Some friends of mine dumpster dived professionally (I guess that's what you'd call it) last summer. And sold the stuff at garage sales. For a while they were making more than I was as an engineer. They found some mighty good stuff -- all kinds of almost brand new or actually brand new clothes,

[Biofuel] pressure ready tanks

2006-04-11 Thread Jason Katie
does anyone know what i could use CO2 tanks for? i may have the opportunity to lift a couple from a scrap pile in the near future. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

Re: [Biofuel] sulphuric acids

2006-04-11 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Jim Keith, Should he add 2-3 % more acid to make up the amount he is missing or would this just add more water? It would add more water (if it's water) but I don't know about the just. I'd say first try it as-is. Following that, the three variables you have to play with in the first

Re: [Biofuel] sulphuric acids

2006-04-11 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Tom I do not know if you will get the same chemical reaction with 93% vs. 95%. It may not be a simple calculation that more would be needed, as chemical reactions can differ with the amount of concentrate, heat, etc. True, but I don't think that's a concern here. Could be wrong, but IMO

Re: [Biofuel] [SPAM] Re: Fw: Honoring the Sacred Core of Islam

2006-04-11 Thread Gary L. Green
Keith,Got you copy of Overnight Sensation on the shelves somewhere?On 11 Apr 2006, at 23:45, Keith Addison wrote:You might enjoy this. 1981. Nobody listened. Frank Zappa on Crossfire, 1986 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org