Re:[tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

2010-09-17 Thread Allen Esterson
On 16 September Mike Smith wrote: …the first scientists were all very religious men. Bacon, Copernicus, Kepler, Newton, and Darwin for example. Leaving aside that Darwin was hardly among the first scientists, it is erroneous to state he was religious. On the contrary, he had ceased to believe

[tips] Random Thought: Yom Kippur and Teaching

2010-09-17 Thread Louis E. Schmier
Ah, a cool, inviting 65 degrees this morning. Well, the dark, pre-dawn streets are for me one of the most sustaining and invigorating spiritual places I know. Power walking on the asphalt outside gets me to my inside where I confront my faults, think of the ultimate goals of my life

Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

2010-09-17 Thread John Kulig
It sounds like Mike Smith's comments contain an idea common in the study of religion, the separation of religion spirituality, and while it is a stretch to link the former to science, the latter is easily done. When spirituality is measured (and factor analyzed) a sense of transcendence is

Re: [tips] In the good old days

2010-09-17 Thread John Kulig
My Mind,Brain,Evolution text has NO color photos (Linden's Accidental Mind), and costs about $20 used. I just told the class yesterday to know everything, and there are D grades. Three stat students stop in during my office hour almost daily ... am I stuck in a Twilight Zone time warp?? :-0

Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

2010-09-17 Thread Dr. Bob Wildblood
John Kulig wrote: But in general, Christian religions have not been exactly at the forefront of science. Though the Catholic church is ultimately accepting of scientific advances - sooner or later - example being the acceptance of Darwinian theory as established science and more than just a

Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

2010-09-17 Thread John Kulig
Bob: I'm not going to defend Pope Benedict, but let me elaborate. In 1996 address to Pontifical Academy of Sciences, JohnPaul II: ... new knowledge has lead to the recognition of the [Darwinian] theory of evolution as more than a hypothesis. Further: A theory is a metascientific elaboration

Re: [tips] In the good old days

2010-09-17 Thread michael sylvester
Stat texts included practice problems but the answers to the problems were not at the back pages of the text.The answers were printed in a separate booklet and only the prof had a copy of the answers. Michael omnicentric Sylvester,PhD Daytona Beach,Flori --- You are currently subscribed to

RE:[tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

2010-09-17 Thread Mike Palij
On Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 20:02:51 -0500, Michael Smith wrote: Well, I didn't mean anything very deep. Just that the first scientists were all very religious men. Bacon, Copernicus, Kepler, Newton, and Darwin for example. They saw (like Aquinus) that an orderly, rational, lawful universe was

[tips] Mexican tipsters

2010-09-17 Thread michael sylvester
Enjoy the 200th anniversary celebrations. Michael omnicentric Sylvester,PhD Daytona Beach,Florida --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=4927 or send a blank email

Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

2010-09-17 Thread Louis E. Schmier
As an historian, I'll attest that Michael Smith is right. Some of you are showing your anti-religion bias. Newton, for example, felt that his greatest work was not the Mathamatica Principia, but his commentary on the Bible. So, if you think Michael's explanation is shallow, for starters, I

Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

2010-09-17 Thread michael sylvester
Was Thomas Aquinas deistic or christian? Didn't he write a PRNCIPA? Michael --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=4931 or send a blank email to

Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

2010-09-17 Thread Louis E. Schmier
There is no such term as deistic in the Middle Ages. That belief is one of many outgrowth of the Reformation. Aquinaes, Dominican, was as Christian as they come. In a shallow explanation, he felt that to merely say, I believe wasn't a sufficient argument against the Islamic Moors,

RE: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

2010-09-17 Thread Marc Carter
I'm not showing an anti-religion bias at all. The fact that Newton felt his greatest work was his commentary on the Bible in no wise shows that thoughtful theologians are responsible for the development of science -- it merely shows that Newton was religious (he was also, btw, something of an

RE: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

2010-09-17 Thread Allen Esterson
Mike Palij wrote: Perhaps Allen Esterson can comment on one of Raju's claims such as the following; quoting from the Wikipedia entry: |Raju built on E.T. Whittaker's beliefs that Albert Einstein's theories |of special and general relativity built on the earlier work of Henri Poincaré. |Raju

Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

2010-09-17 Thread Paul Brandon
An interesting point made by Gleick: When Newton said 'I do not make an hypothesis' )or something to that effect -- my Latin is a bit rusty ;-) he was not (as sometimes said) rejecting the use of hypotheses in general in science. In fact, he was talking in a specific context. The best

Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

2010-09-17 Thread don allen
Hi Paul- I believe that the phrase you're looking for is, Hypothesis non fungo. You are correct in assuming that he was not rejecting hypotheses in general, but merely admitting that he had no clue as to the mechanisms underlying gravity. -Don. - Original Message - From: Paul Brandon

Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

2010-09-17 Thread Michael Smith
Well...there's way too much there to comment on. But a couple of comments anyway: Some thoughts about Marc Carter's post. Marc said that my original contention was that: thoughtful theologians were responsible for modern science, not that the collection of people who invented science were

[tips] sleep

2010-09-17 Thread don allen
Hi All- For those of you who teach about sleep there is a good video on line that talks about some of the recent research in this area shows how important it is in learning. http://fora.tv/2009/08/11/Matt_Walker_Secrets_of_the_Sleeping_Brain or: http://tinyurl.com/kq89yj -Don. Don Allen