Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related Different Roads

2005-01-13 Thread Judy Taylor
jt: I agree with James that faith(without corresponding actions - read obedience) is dead being alone. So here we are back to life vs death. Judyt On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:24:45 -0800 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Judy Taylor wrote: jt: No problem DaveH; all I'm

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-13 Thread Bill Taylor
jt: What is this Bill some kind of gnosticism? God's Spirit anoints and works alongside God's Word - so "How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall

RE: [TruthTalk] Role of Law - of God or otherwise

2005-01-13 Thread Slade Henson
If I read you correctly, you're asking "Does God allow people to worship him differently than the Jewish?" And the answer ifs Yes. One of my professors sees the Jerusalem Council in Acts as permission to denominationalize. There are other factors involved. Can one still be a believer and

RE: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related Different Roads

2005-01-13 Thread Slade Henson
That could be another conclusion to draw, John. Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, 13 January, 2005 00.11To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related Different

RE: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related Different Roads

2005-01-13 Thread Slade Henson
Why don't you? You ask him, then I'll do the cross examination, okay? Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of ShieldsFamilySent: Wednesday, 12 January, 2005 20.25To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk]

RE: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related Different Roads

2005-01-13 Thread Slade Henson
I guess I just butted right on in there for the underdog, didn't I? I think it comes from those awful attorneys I work with. They taught me. It's their fault. They made me do it. :) Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Debbie Sawczak
The below is something I definitely did not write. Please pay no attention to the intro line, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 11:21 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re:

RE: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related Different Roads

2005-01-13 Thread Slade Henson
I don't have a problem with how long it takes to answer, Dave. I miss many a post myself. It's a combination problem...sometimes I don't get them, sometimes I don't read them. Sometimes I simply don't want to answer because I know it will get me nowhere and I'd rather waste my time on

RE: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related #2

2005-01-13 Thread Slade Henson
Oh, man...that answer was a disappointment. I thought for SURE you'd have a harem or something. Only ONE? I thought you guys were supposed to try to keep up with Solomon! Do you know any Mormons who have more than one wife? Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Slade Henson
Nah...it was written by Izzy...in response to Bill Taylor Bill it appears to me that your theological construct forces one to believe that the worst thing you could do is to tell someone about Jesus Christ. If they never hear about Jesus they are guaranteed a ticket to heaven. If

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Debbie Sawczak
Thank you, Bill. I don't think I'll pursue the 'negative-option marketing' plan just now. It is not a good way of putting it. I am the slow one--I think slowly, and communicate slowly, and when I rush I get it wrong. I am trying to work out all of what the Trinitarian position means. I

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related Different Roads

2005-01-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
Christians: Those who worship the One true God who has REVEALED Himself through the Bible. Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: Sorry to be so tardy with this, Izzy Kay. I've had too many irons in the fire lately. So many questions to answer, and only so many hours to sleep. Tonight I'm

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/12/2005 8:42:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the mind is the home of faith which is wrong. And for this you decided the guy was hell bound? Get a grip. The mind and where it places it's interests is used by Paul to define that which is spiritual and

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related Different Roads

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/12/2005 8:43:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kay, if you dont mind we would still like to hear DaveHs definition. Izzy What was "our" definition, by the way? JD

RE: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related Different Roads

2005-01-13 Thread Slade Henson
"Our" definition continues to be overly vague and broad and, IMO, would still include Dave H. Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, 13 January, 2005 09.16To:

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/12/2005 9:27:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, there is that problem if you press it to the logical conclusion, isn't there? Same with the all-babies-go-to-heaven view. In that case, best kill your kid before s/he reaches the age of accountability,

RE: [TruthTalk] Judaizers within the Messianic Movement

2005-01-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade Henson Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 8:17 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Judaizers within the Messianic Movement Prophets who speak lies are very apt to pull people away

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related #2

2005-01-13 Thread David Miller
Dave Hansen wrote: Perry mentioned that it was referring to judges who judge in behalf of God (I hope I've got that right, Perry). But if that were the case, I don't understand why Jesus would refer to theos (Jn 10:3435), suggesting a deity to be worshiped, to be used in his defense. The

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
Debbie, I hear you. We dont have to have it all figured out thankfully. We just have to trust and obey a loving God. BTW, I love the song Maybe Theres a Loving God by Sara Grovesits so awesome. (Im playing it on the computer as I type.) Izzy

RE: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related Different Roads

2005-01-13 Thread Slade Henson
Still overly vague and broad. This would include many brands of people and many different denominations. Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Thursday, 13 January, 2005 08.40To:

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/12/2005 10:07:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Debbie wrote When I said God sees the end from the beginning, I didn't mean foreknowledge. I meant that the person's whole life-direction is one. And by that I meant, if they reject the message after

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related Different Roads

2005-01-13 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: Thank you, Kevin. I appreciate your positively framed answer. Now I more fully understand why you feel LDS folks should be excluded from being considered Christian. Kevin Deegan wrote: Christians: Those who worship the One true God who has REVEALED Himself through the Bible.

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Taylor Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 9:02 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life? Bill it appears to me that your theological

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related #2

2005-01-13 Thread Dave Hansen
Slade Henson wrote: Oh, man...that answer was a disappointment. I thought for SURE you'd have a harem or something. Only ONE? DAVEH: I thought coming to TT would be a good place to find another, but now I'm not so sure :-\ I thought you guys were supposed to try to keep

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/12/2005 10:57:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why is it that whenever some TTers cannot agree on certain (usually non-essential) points of theology, instead of plainly explaining their position and then letting it go at that, they instead resort to

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related Different Roads

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/12/2005 11:26:22 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: but the bottom line is "Are we walking in it" because we will be judged on "deeds done in the flesh" or "obedience" rather than what some are calling doctrinal "orthodoxy" Yeah -- that pesky old doctrine

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
I said, for the life of me, I don't get it. I am sorry. You caught the brunt of my frustration. I have posted numerous times on the sufficiency of Christ's finished work to save babies the same way he has saved everyone else,believers included.We do not need a second gospel to get

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 10:21 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life? In a message dated 1/12/2005 7:48:06 PM

RE: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related Different Roads

2005-01-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
Izzy in blue: DAVEH: Sorry to be so tardy with this, Izzy Kay. I've had too many irons in the fire lately. So many questions to answer, and only so many hours to sleep. Tonight I'm dragging my tail. (No jokes related to the devil, please!) LOL!!! Anyway..Some folks consider

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-13 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] What I find curious is why you find the word Christian so sacred that it must only include those who truly believe in Christ. Does one come into relationship with Christ by joining the Christian religion, or by simple faith in Jesus Christ? Well, I have

RE: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related #2

2005-01-13 Thread Slade Henson
Hehehe... Reported or alleged to is very different than a definitive or a resoundingYES, he did/does have three wives. Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Dave HansenSent: Thursday, 13 January, 2005 09.55To:

RE: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related Different Roads

2005-01-13 Thread Slade Henson
How many denominations accept the Catechism? Or the deutero-canonical books? K. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of ShieldsFamilySent: Thursday, 13 January, 2005 10.09To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk]

RE: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related #2

2005-01-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
But when I have trouble getting a definition from a Christian (present company excluded, of course!) of Christian, it kinda makes me wonder why the reticence? And that's just a simple question. DaveH, since you have defined a mormon, I will give my definition of a Christian. One who is

RE: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related #2

2005-01-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Hansen Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 1:38 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related #2 Slade Henson wrote: How many wives do you have, Dave? DAVEH: Just one,

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Bill Taylor
That's perfectly fine, Debbie. I think (if I may take a little license with what you wrote) that a lot of the misunderstandings come in via the door of missed opportunities, and I mean on the part of the Trinitarians, to fully answer questions when asked. I am fairly confident that most

RE: [TruthTalk] Role of Law - of God or otherwise

2005-01-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
I will say this, however. I appreciate the love Dave H has. His love far exceeds ANY one else. If there is one thing you can learn from this man, it is love. I have no desire whatsoever to join the Mormon Church and I know Dave H has no desire to become Messianic. Since we two are

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Bill Taylor
I would say -- "How about them Dodgers?" Bill :) What if I said that "free moral agency" is a problem for God -- who is not a free moral agent; that His "all knowing" acclaim (a claim heeped on Him by others) is a comparative statement, His knowledge compared to our

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Judy Taylor
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:10:22 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 1/12/2005 8:42:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the mind is the home of faith which is wrong. And for this you decided the guy was hell bound? Get a grip. jt:

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
Perry, thanks for the thoughtful post. I agree. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 9:12 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

Re: [TruthTalk] Creationism

2005-01-13 Thread David Miller
Bill Taylor wrote: I was under the impression that the Carbon dating of the blood from its bones had given indication of a fairly recent date (within a few thousand years). I am unaware of any carbon dating being done on this specimen. Such a thought would never enter the mind of the

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-13 Thread Bill Taylor
Judy, You are impossible! If I answer you at all, it will be ata time that I would otherwise be wasting anyway. I did highlight one statement below. You can take a peak at it if you like. Bill - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Bill Taylor
Now that you've vented, please go back and reread what I've written. Bill - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 7:47 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Taylor Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 9:47 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life? Now that you've vented, please go back and

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Bill Taylor
Yeah, Izzy, I know. At that point I was just beginning to brew. The pot boiled later on -- poor Debbie!I think that your answer is a practical-outworking part of the full answer, but it does not address the theological 'whys' of this issue. Like why were those babies even alive in the first

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
Exactly. Iron sharpens iron. (And mud muddies the muddled?) Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 7:56 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Whose

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Bill Taylor
Excuse me, Judy, for what do I need to repent? At the time this took place you apologized to me for your accusation and admitted that you had judged him without first understanding his position. Are you now taking that back and turning on me? I am at a loss to know how to take you. You

Re: [TruthTalk] Creationism

2005-01-13 Thread Bill Taylor
Thanks for the helpful information. If you come across anything more, would you please let me know about it. I am very interested. Bill - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 8:38 AM Subject: Re:

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-13 Thread Judy Taylor
jt: Howloving and how comforting for you to let me know I am a waste of time Bill. Oh well, I can't say I expected much more than a big "rejection" sticker from you - but then hope springs eternal :). You are definitely not open to question or examine anything you have been taught by the

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Judy Taylor
jt: Bill if I apologized to you back then it may have been for misunderstanding Newbigin, it certainly wasn't for consigning him to hell which was your accusation yesterday and which incidentally John has picked up on. Amazing how bad news spreads. I am not turning on you, nor am I reframing

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
Yeah, Izzy, I know. At that point I was just beginning to brew. The pot boiled later on -- poor Debbie!I think that your answer is a practical-outworking part of the full answer, but it does not address the theological 'whys' of this issue. Like why were those babies even alive in the

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Bill Taylor
Bill, you call what I wrote above “venting”??? I call it calm, sincere questions which you have avoided answering by calling it venting. This is what I would call “venting”: Judy, You are impossible! Bill Izzy I am glad we are getting to know each other better. No, That is the truth!

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2005-01-13 Thread Bill Taylor
Good bye, everyone. I hope that you were at least to a certain degree edified by my contribution. I pray the best for you all. Bill Taylor

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related #2

2005-01-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
Very interesting this talk of plural wives Any member of the "Utah" Mormons would be EX'ed if it was public knowledge or he publicly spoke of multiple wives in this life. Of course you can be sealed to more than one in the Temple. In the afterlife you can have a harem full.

RE: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related Different Roads

2005-01-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
Correct, so what is your point?Slade Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still overly vague and broad. This would include many brands of people and many different denominations. Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Thursday,

RE: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related Different Roads

2005-01-13 Thread Slade Henson
My pointis why do youcontinue to exclude David from the "Christian" category? He said he worships GOD, though he believes there are other gods. Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Thursday, 13 January,

Re: [TruthTalk] Why the Eternal Sonship of Christ Matters to Me

2005-01-13 Thread David Miller
Bill Taylor wrote: Please do not take offense at this, but it concerns me very much the way you are wont to re-direct a discussion away from the big picture which holds it all together. Perhaps this is not so great a problem -- your method -- in the physical sciences, but I find it quite

Re: [TruthTalk] Bill says goodbye?

2005-01-13 Thread David Miller
Bill Taylor wrote: Good bye, everyone. I hope that you were at least to a certain degree edified by my contribution. I pray the best for you all. I have greatly appreciated your contribution. I consider you to be the greatest theologian on TruthTalk. I sure hope you are not saying goodbye

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
Nice talk, Bill. I did ask questions for clarification, and this is what I get? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Taylor Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 10:31 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread David Miller
Bill Taylor wrote: I am fairly confident that most Trinitarians would agree with me on the wooing. I am certain that James and Thomas Torrance do in fact believe this, and teach it (although dear old J.B. is now deceased). The wooing is but one aspect of a thoroughly participatory salvation

RE: [TruthTalk] Why the Eternal Sonship of Christ Matters to Me

2005-01-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
Oracles that should be remembered, as spoken by David Miller! Izzy -Original Message- 1.So rather than using my theology to interpret the passage, I let the passage speak for itself and then adjust my theology to align with all the remaining passages of Scripture. 2.

Re: [TruthTalk] Role of Law - of God or otherwise

2005-01-13 Thread David Miller
Izzy wrote: I agree that DaveH is a kindly person of exemplary manners-his words are always loving. However, is it loving to try to evangelize others to a damning religion? I think not. We do have to be careful how we interpret love. I'm sure Jesus did not appear to be loving the times he

RE: [TruthTalk] Role of Law - of God or otherwise

2005-01-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
Amen, David, amen. Izzy -Original Message- Now which of these two people, given the facts established, should be considered to be the most loving? I think it would be Jack. Proverbs 27:5-6 (5) Open rebuke is better than secret love. (6) Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the

RE: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related Different Roads

2005-01-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
My pointis why do youcontinue to exclude David from the "Christian" category? He said he worships GOD, though he believes there are other gods. Only God can really exclude him. Now according to the definition I provided of Christian One valid way of determining what fits that definition is to

Re: [TruthTalk] Judaizers within the Messianic Movement

2005-01-13 Thread David Miller
David Miller wrote: ... the Lord told me that I was functioning as a prophet ... SLADE wrote: How clear was this message? Was it riddled with parables? Was the message clear, concise, and very much to the point? The message was very clear, but perhaps not the absolute clearest revelation

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-13 Thread David Miller
Perry wrote: ... if you want to open up the definition to include everyone who may use the name of Christ in the name of their Church, or may claim to believe in Him but does not, and says they follow Him, but do not, or claims that some strange alien jesus from Kolob is the same one as the

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related Why Prophets?

2005-01-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
I was just wanting your definition of Mormon you have since sent it. Thanks Do you disagree with the fact that for a Mormon the Living Prophet is the ultimate Authority on this earth? How do you determine just WHEN to FOLLOW the PROPHET?Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: Hey

Re: [TruthTalk] Role of Law - of God or otherwise

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 2:54:45 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If I read you correctly, you're asking "Does God allow people to worship him differently than the Jewish?" And the answer ifs Yes. One of my professors sees the Jerusalem Council in Acts as permission to

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related Different Roads

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 4:44:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyway..Some folks consider Mormons to be those who belong to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. A broader definition would be...Mormons are those who belong to one of the denominations

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
DavidM, perhaps we are not far apart but I still feel very uncomfortable with your definition I knew a guy who told everyone how much he loved his wife. He said he was never happier than when he was a married man and his wife was wonderful. Anumber of years into the marriage they broke up after

RE: [TruthTalk]

2005-01-13 Thread Slade Henson
HUH? Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Bill TaylorSent: Thursday, 13 January, 2005 11.37To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: [TruthTalk] Good bye, everyone. I hope that you were at least to a certain degree

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related #2

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 7:23:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Slade Henson wrote: How many wives do you have, Dave? DAVEH: Just one, Kay. But not because JSmith said so, right DaveH? Izzy I don't think Dave or his lovely ever met Smith. Was it a temple

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 7:14:02 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I said, for the life of me, I don't get it. I am sorry. You caught the brunt of my frustration. I have posted numerous times on the sufficiency of Christ's finished work to save babies the same way he has

Re: [TruthTalk] Role of Law - of God or otherwise

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 7:27:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Slade, I agree that DaveH is a kindly person of exemplary mannershis words are always loving. However, is it loving to try to evangelize others to a damning religion? I think not. Izzy You pretend that

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 7:33:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would say -- "How about them Dodgers?" Bill :) What if I said that "free moral agency" is a problem for God -- who is not a free moral agent; that His "all knowing" acclaim (a claim

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 8:44:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If they never hear about Jesus they are guaranteed a ticket to heaven. Actually, once again, you missed the point. No one is saying this. Romans 2:15 -16 speaks only of a maybe situation :

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-13 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] The term Christian as I have defined it does not lose all meaning. Only those who profess an attempt to follow Christ would be included. This would exclude Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Pagans, etc. who do not see that Jesus Christ holds such a

Re: [TruthTalk] Role of Law - of God or otherwise

2005-01-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
John says: Would God's tolerance of other religions , alla Ninevah God did not TOLERATE Nineveh he laid it waste details in the Bible; Read it. Nahum 2:8,3:7 I think the interesting thing is God sends a preacher to one of Israels greatest enemies Asyria. No wonder Jonah was not keen on the idea.

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related #2

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 8:44:31 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One who is truly in (the real) Christ. (Not a member of a church.) How do we know if we are truly in the real Chist? Off the top of my head I will say we are: 1) Filled with His Spirit 2) Walk in His

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
David do you also use this approach on Sodomites? If a Sodomite claims to follow Jesus is he a Christian? If you tell him so don't you give him a False Hope? That is the problem with your False definition. Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Charles Perry Locke

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 8:45:36 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Judy, You are impossible! If I answer you at all, it will be at a time that I would otherwise be wasting anyway. I did highlight one statement below. You can take a peak at it if you like. Bill Where

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-13 Thread Terry Clifton
Charles Perry Locke wrote: From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] What I find curious is why you find the word Christian so sacred that it must only include those who truly believe in Christ. Does one come into relationship with Christ by joining the Christian religion, or by simple faith in

Re: [TruthTalk] Bill says goodbye?

2005-01-13 Thread Terry Clifton
David Miller wrote: Bill Taylor wrote: Good bye, everyone. I hope that you were at least to a certain degree edified by my contribution. I pray the best for you all. I have greatly appreciated your contribution. I consider you to be the greatest theologian on TruthTalk. I sure hope you

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Slade Henson
Try this buk buk buk buk b'gock! :^ -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, 13 January, 2005 16.12To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 2:13:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Try this buk buk buk buk b'gock! :^ -- slade AAA -- the theater of the mind I've heard that eggs taste better than tripe? John

Re: [TruthTalk] Role of Law - of God or otherwise

2005-01-13 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/13/2005 2:54:45 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If I read you correctly, you're asking "Does God allow people to worship him differently than the Jewish?" And the answer ifs Yes. One of my professors sees the

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Slade Henson
That I wouldn't know, but I would venture to guess, uh... YES! However, I'd have to ask my brother who married a Mexican gal whose mother cooks a killer menudo (did I spell that correctly?) -- or so I've heard. I eat vegetarian at his home (that's a joke... kinda). By the way,

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
If you knew you were going to die tomorrow, and you had a chance to tell me something, what would it be? BYE! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/13/2005 8:45:36 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Judy, You are impossible! If I answer you at all, it will be at a time

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
Speaking of such, I am of the opinion (have I ever been taught this???) that we are born with a propensity to sinnot actually already condemned by sin (since we havent yet). So, in that case, anyone who dies prior to actually sinning is not under Gods judgment, and does not go to hell. Is

RE: [TruthTalk] Role of Law - of God or otherwise

2005-01-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
Slade, I agree that DaveH is a kindly person of exemplary mannershis words are always loving. However, is it loving to try to evangelize others to a damning religion? I think not. Izzy You pretend that your reality is Dave's and then you draw your conclusion. Izzy believes thus and

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-13 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you knew you were going to die tomorrow, and you had a chance to tell me something, what would it be? I's like to know the answer to that one from anyone on this list. John === I would say that I am a little afraid because I have

RE: [TruthTalk] Judaizers within the Messianic Movement

2005-01-13 Thread Slade Henson
I just skimmed most of this. But I'm not understanding why God would allegedly tell you something contrary to His Wordsuch as this age of this and that. Sounds like dispensationalism to mewhich is clearly NOT Scriptural. I'm not going to debate over this, but I ask...was it God you heard

Re: [TruthTalk] Role of Law - of God or otherwise

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 2:42:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: = In more than one place in God's word, we are warned not to add to or take from God's word. The punishment is having your name removed from the book of life if I

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 2:51:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: By the way, John... The financing on the home and property came through.. in duplicate. We can choose between two banks (Wells Fargo, I guess just took too long.). By the way, warn Bill T for me. I plan on

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Jeff Powers
So Sara has a new album out? I'd like to see her and Troy again. I haven't seen them since I turneddown Sara's offer to tour with them as her Sound Tech. Jeff Life makes warriors of us all.To emerge the victors, we must armourselves with the most potent of weapons.That weapon is

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread David Miller
John wrote: Romans 2:15 -16 speaks only of a maybe situation : ..their conscience either accusing or defending them In Christ, we have the assurance of our salvation --- or, at least, some of us do. ... Does either accusing or defending sound like a

Re: [TruthTalk] Role of Law - of God or otherwise

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 1:30:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Looks like the men of Nineveh pleased God by Believing This belief produced outward fruit when they proclaimed a fast Jonah 3:5 repenting in sackloth ashes Jonah 3:6 Perry: Two things -- your post

RE: [TruthTalk] Bill says goodbye?

2005-01-13 Thread Jonathan Hughes
Terry, you are such a prick. It is bad enough that Judy monopolizes the idiot portion of this forum to have you tack on such an insensitive comment. You are an embarrassment to this forum. Jonathan 'ticked off at how people have treated Bill, ticked off at how the hypocrite and lying Judy gets

Re: [TruthTalk] Role of Law - of God or otherwise

2005-01-13 Thread Judy Taylor
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:40:05 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Allow me to chim in here. Salvation is not a legal issue. Not any more. Do you presently claim to be doctrinally correct about every biblical issue? Is there a chance, perhaps a good chance that you will change your mind about some

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 1:14:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 2 Co 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. Perry, knowing Corinth the way we do, the above

Re: [TruthTalk] Judaizers within the Messianic Movement

2005-01-13 Thread Terry Clifton
Slade Henson wrote: I just skimmed most of this. But I'm not understanding why God would allegedly tell you something contrary to His Wordsuch as this age of this and that. Sounds like dispensationalism to mewhich is clearly NOT Scriptural. I'm not going to debate over this, but I

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