Re: UnderTow
While IBM is a big player in the Eclipse Fdn, I found their application server, Open Liberty, pretty reliable. It has a great feature set, you can even have one installation for all JakartaEE version (something which most app servers cannot do) and it is really fast. The guides are also really helpful and well written. That said, I have no reservations against IBM software, especially this one. IBM also contributes to Eclipse Yasson (the JSONB/JSONP implementation) and other implementations, as well as Apache httpd and other software. - Ben On 21/11/2025 17:58, Tommy Svensson wrote: My mail client did not include this in answer, so I copied it here so this would make more sense. Howdy, Jetty is from IBM? You mean it is from Eclipse? AFAIR, Jetty "moved in" under the Eclipse umbrella but originally it was not an Eclipse project It started on the venerable Codehaus as I remember Sorry, My head told me Jetty was from IBM, and I believed it! I am aware that my head is not aways right, but it has a tendency to believe itself. So I will not swear on this! These days I'm no longer working, only hobby coding on GitHub. I do have a strong aversion to IBM, and now when I have the full say of everything in my personal projects I try to keep away from anything IBM. I'm not going to explain where my IBM dislike comes from. I'm not even sure I legally can. Tommy Svensson [email protected] Från: Tamás Cservenák Svara: Maven Users List Datum: 18 november 2025 at 18:51:31 Till: Maven Users List Ämne: Re: UnderTow Howdy, Jetty is from IBM? You mean it is from Eclipse? AFAIR, Jetty "moved in" under the Eclipse umbrella but originally it was not an Eclipse project It started on the venerable Codehaus as I remember T On Tue, Nov 18, 2025 at 6:30 PM Tommy Svensson wrote: Thanks for all answers, I have decided to take a deeper look at Jetty. The only thing I have against Jetty is that it is from IBM! But that said their big, old office in Stockholm are now inhabited by birds and rats! i.e. not much have changed ... Tommy Svensson [email protected] Från: Timothy Stone Svara: Maven Users List Datum: 18 november 2025 at 15:42:48 Till: [email protected] Ämne: Re: UnderTow On 11/18/25 09:05, Nils Breunese wrote: Op 18 nov 2025, om 14:33 heeft Tommy Svensson het volgende geschreven: ...snip Can anyone suggest an alternative ? I just want to be able to do HTTP/S requests and receive HTTP/S requests. This in its simplest form possible. For doing requests: Java has HttpClient built-in since JDK 11. (In older JDK versions you only get HttpURLConnection, which is not fun to work with directly.) If JDK HttpClient doesn’t serve your needs, check out Apache HttpClient, Jetty HttpClient or Reactor Netty HttpClient. For receiving requests: the JDK has a simple HttpServer API. For anything slightly serious I’d consider embedding Tomcat, Jetty or Reactor Netty. I would personally use an application framework like Spring Boot or Quarkus, which typically provides integrations like these out of the box, but this might be overkill for your use case. All great answers. I'm going to throw my hat in the ring for Tomcat. Been an in production user, at global finance scale with millions of daily and 1000s of concurrent users*, for more than 20 years, since v4 (possibly v3 and the first releases). Issues will always be present, in your favorite tooling, even in the tooling you write. They are ever present trade-offs: "Can I live with this?" If the issues you have in Undertow are security related, the trade-offs may be made for you and you'll have to mitigate and chase patches. HTH, Tim * there's always the architecture involved that supports that, horizontally scaled instances, load balancers, session "umbrellas," and a little bit more. -- Timothy Stone = There are some that call me ... Tim. Husband, Father, Blogger, OSS, Architect, Wargamer, Home Brewer, and 🤓 Find me on GitLab | GitHub | Linked In | MeWe | GnuPG - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
Re: UnderTow
My mail client did not include this in answer, so I copied it here so this would make more sense. Howdy, Jetty is from IBM? You mean it is from Eclipse? AFAIR, Jetty "moved in" under the Eclipse umbrella but originally it was not an Eclipse project It started on the venerable Codehaus as I remember Sorry, My head told me Jetty was from IBM, and I believed it! I am aware that my head is not aways right, but it has a tendency to believe itself. So I will not swear on this! These days I'm no longer working, only hobby coding on GitHub. I do have a strong aversion to IBM, and now when I have the full say of everything in my personal projects I try to keep away from anything IBM. I'm not going to explain where my IBM dislike comes from. I'm not even sure I legally can. Tommy Svensson [email protected] Från: Tamás Cservenák Svara: Maven Users List Datum: 18 november 2025 at 18:51:31 Till: Maven Users List Ämne: Re: UnderTow Howdy, Jetty is from IBM? You mean it is from Eclipse? AFAIR, Jetty "moved in" under the Eclipse umbrella but originally it was not an Eclipse project It started on the venerable Codehaus as I remember T On Tue, Nov 18, 2025 at 6:30 PM Tommy Svensson wrote: > > Thanks for all answers, I have decided to take a deeper look at Jetty. The > only thing I have against Jetty is that it is from IBM! But that said their > big, old office in Stockholm are now inhabited by birds and rats! i.e. not > much have changed ... > > Tommy Svensson > > [email protected] > > > > > Från: Timothy Stone > Svara: Maven Users List > Datum: 18 november 2025 at 15:42:48 > Till: [email protected] > Ämne: Re: UnderTow > > > On 11/18/25 09:05, Nils Breunese wrote: > > > > > > > > >> Op 18 nov 2025, om 14:33 heeft Tommy Svensson het > >> volgende geschreven: > > > > ...snip > > > > >> Can anyone suggest an alternative ? I just want to be able to do HTTP/S > >> requests and receive HTTP/S requests. This in its simplest form possible. > > > > > > For doing requests: Java has HttpClient built-in since JDK 11. (In older > > JDK versions you only get HttpURLConnection, which is not fun to work with > > directly.) If JDK HttpClient doesn’t serve your needs, check out Apache > > HttpClient, Jetty HttpClient or Reactor Netty HttpClient. > > > > > > For receiving requests: the JDK has a simple HttpServer API. For anything > > slightly serious I’d consider embedding Tomcat, Jetty or Reactor Netty. > > > > > > I would personally use an application framework like Spring Boot or > > Quarkus, which typically provides integrations like these out of the box, > > but this might be overkill for your use case. > > > > All great answers. I'm going to throw my hat in the ring for Tomcat. > > Been an in production user, at global finance scale with millions of > > daily and 1000s of concurrent users*, for more than 20 years, since v4 > > (possibly v3 and the first releases). > > > > Issues will always be present, in your favorite tooling, even in the > > tooling you write. They are ever present trade-offs: "Can I live with > > this?" If the issues you have in Undertow are security related, the > > trade-offs may be made for you and you'll have to mitigate and chase > > patches. > > > > HTH, > > Tim > > > > * there's always the architecture involved that supports that, > > horizontally scaled instances, load balancers, session "umbrellas," and > > a little bit more. > > > > > > -- > > Timothy Stone > > = > > There are some that call me ... Tim. > > Husband, Father, Blogger, OSS, Architect, Wargamer, Home Brewer, and 🤓 > > Find me on GitLab | GitHub | Linked In | MeWe | GnuPG - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
Re: UnderTow
Yup, here is a nod to (back then) shutting down Codehaus: https://www.reddit.com/r/java/comments/2xciu8/codehaus_birthplace_of_many_java_oss_projects/ T On Tue, Nov 18, 2025 at 6:42 PM Tamás Cservenák wrote: > > Howdy, > > Jetty is from IBM? You mean it is from Eclipse? > > AFAIR, Jetty "moved in" under the Eclipse umbrella but originally it > was not an Eclipse project > It started on the venerable Codehaus as I remember > > > T > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2025 at 6:30 PM Tommy Svensson wrote: > > > > Thanks for all answers, I have decided to take a deeper look at Jetty. The > > only thing I have against Jetty is that it is from IBM! But that said > > their big, old office in Stockholm are now inhabited by birds and rats! > > i.e. not much have changed ... > > > > Tommy Svensson > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > Från: Timothy Stone > > Svara: Maven Users List > > Datum: 18 november 2025 at 15:42:48 > > Till: [email protected] > > Ämne: Re: UnderTow > > > > > > On 11/18/25 09:05, Nils Breunese wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Op 18 nov 2025, om 14:33 heeft Tommy Svensson het > > >> volgende geschreven: > > > > > > > > ...snip > > > > > > > > >> Can anyone suggest an alternative ? I just want to be able to do HTTP/S > > >> requests and receive HTTP/S requests. This in its simplest form possible. > > > > > > > > > > For doing requests: Java has HttpClient built-in since JDK 11. (In older > > > JDK versions you only get HttpURLConnection, which is not fun to work > > > with directly.) If JDK HttpClient doesn’t serve your needs, check out > > > Apache HttpClient, Jetty HttpClient or Reactor Netty HttpClient. > > > > > > > > > > For receiving requests: the JDK has a simple HttpServer API. For anything > > > slightly serious I’d consider embedding Tomcat, Jetty or Reactor Netty. > > > > > > > > > > I would personally use an application framework like Spring Boot or > > > Quarkus, which typically provides integrations like these out of the box, > > > but this might be overkill for your use case. > > > > > > > > All great answers. I'm going to throw my hat in the ring for Tomcat. > > > > Been an in production user, at global finance scale with millions of > > > > daily and 1000s of concurrent users*, for more than 20 years, since v4 > > > > (possibly v3 and the first releases). > > > > > > > > Issues will always be present, in your favorite tooling, even in the > > > > tooling you write. They are ever present trade-offs: "Can I live with > > > > this?" If the issues you have in Undertow are security related, the > > > > trade-offs may be made for you and you'll have to mitigate and chase > > > > patches. > > > > > > > > HTH, > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > * there's always the architecture involved that supports that, > > > > horizontally scaled instances, load balancers, session "umbrellas," and > > > > a little bit more. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Timothy Stone > > > > = > > > > There are some that call me ... Tim. > > > > Husband, Father, Blogger, OSS, Architect, Wargamer, Home Brewer, and 🤓 > > > > Find me on GitLab | GitHub | Linked In | MeWe | GnuPG - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
Re: UnderTow
Howdy, Jetty is from IBM? You mean it is from Eclipse? AFAIR, Jetty "moved in" under the Eclipse umbrella but originally it was not an Eclipse project It started on the venerable Codehaus as I remember T On Tue, Nov 18, 2025 at 6:30 PM Tommy Svensson wrote: > > Thanks for all answers, I have decided to take a deeper look at Jetty. The > only thing I have against Jetty is that it is from IBM! But that said their > big, old office in Stockholm are now inhabited by birds and rats! i.e. not > much have changed ... > > Tommy Svensson > > [email protected] > > > > > Från: Timothy Stone > Svara: Maven Users List > Datum: 18 november 2025 at 15:42:48 > Till: [email protected] > Ämne: Re: UnderTow > > > On 11/18/25 09:05, Nils Breunese wrote: > > > > > > > > >> Op 18 nov 2025, om 14:33 heeft Tommy Svensson het > >> volgende geschreven: > > > > ...snip > > > > >> Can anyone suggest an alternative ? I just want to be able to do HTTP/S > >> requests and receive HTTP/S requests. This in its simplest form possible. > > > > > > For doing requests: Java has HttpClient built-in since JDK 11. (In older > > JDK versions you only get HttpURLConnection, which is not fun to work with > > directly.) If JDK HttpClient doesn’t serve your needs, check out Apache > > HttpClient, Jetty HttpClient or Reactor Netty HttpClient. > > > > > > For receiving requests: the JDK has a simple HttpServer API. For anything > > slightly serious I’d consider embedding Tomcat, Jetty or Reactor Netty. > > > > > > I would personally use an application framework like Spring Boot or > > Quarkus, which typically provides integrations like these out of the box, > > but this might be overkill for your use case. > > > > All great answers. I'm going to throw my hat in the ring for Tomcat. > > Been an in production user, at global finance scale with millions of > > daily and 1000s of concurrent users*, for more than 20 years, since v4 > > (possibly v3 and the first releases). > > > > Issues will always be present, in your favorite tooling, even in the > > tooling you write. They are ever present trade-offs: "Can I live with > > this?" If the issues you have in Undertow are security related, the > > trade-offs may be made for you and you'll have to mitigate and chase > > patches. > > > > HTH, > > Tim > > > > * there's always the architecture involved that supports that, > > horizontally scaled instances, load balancers, session "umbrellas," and > > a little bit more. > > > > > > -- > > Timothy Stone > > = > > There are some that call me ... Tim. > > Husband, Father, Blogger, OSS, Architect, Wargamer, Home Brewer, and 🤓 > > Find me on GitLab | GitHub | Linked In | MeWe | GnuPG - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
Re: UnderTow
Thanks for all answers, I have decided to take a deeper look at Jetty. The only thing I have against Jetty is that it is from IBM! But that said their big, old office in Stockholm are now inhabited by birds and rats! i.e. not much have changed ... Tommy Svensson [email protected] Från: Timothy Stone Svara: Maven Users List Datum: 18 november 2025 at 15:42:48 Till: [email protected] Ämne: Re: UnderTow On 11/18/25 09:05, Nils Breunese wrote: > > >> Op 18 nov 2025, om 14:33 heeft Tommy Svensson het >> volgende geschreven: ...snip >> Can anyone suggest an alternative ? I just want to be able to do HTTP/S >> requests and receive HTTP/S requests. This in its simplest form possible. > > For doing requests: Java has HttpClient built-in since JDK 11. (In older JDK > versions you only get HttpURLConnection, which is not fun to work with > directly.) If JDK HttpClient doesn’t serve your needs, check out Apache > HttpClient, Jetty HttpClient or Reactor Netty HttpClient. > > For receiving requests: the JDK has a simple HttpServer API. For anything > slightly serious I’d consider embedding Tomcat, Jetty or Reactor Netty. > > I would personally use an application framework like Spring Boot or Quarkus, > which typically provides integrations like these out of the box, but this > might be overkill for your use case. All great answers. I'm going to throw my hat in the ring for Tomcat. Been an in production user, at global finance scale with millions of daily and 1000s of concurrent users*, for more than 20 years, since v4 (possibly v3 and the first releases). Issues will always be present, in your favorite tooling, even in the tooling you write. They are ever present trade-offs: "Can I live with this?" If the issues you have in Undertow are security related, the trade-offs may be made for you and you'll have to mitigate and chase patches. HTH, Tim * there's always the architecture involved that supports that, horizontally scaled instances, load balancers, session "umbrellas," and a little bit more. -- Timothy Stone = There are some that call me ... Tim. Husband, Father, Blogger, OSS, Architect, Wargamer, Home Brewer, and 🤓 Find me on GitLab | GitHub | Linked In | MeWe | GnuPG
Re: UnderTow
On 11/18/25 09:05, Nils Breunese wrote: Op 18 nov 2025, om 14:33 heeft Tommy Svensson het volgende geschreven: ...snip Can anyone suggest an alternative ? I just want to be able to do HTTP/S requests and receive HTTP/S requests. This in its simplest form possible. For doing requests: Java has HttpClient built-in since JDK 11. (In older JDK versions you only get HttpURLConnection, which is not fun to work with directly.) If JDK HttpClient doesn’t serve your needs, check out Apache HttpClient, Jetty HttpClient or Reactor Netty HttpClient. For receiving requests: the JDK has a simple HttpServer API. For anything slightly serious I’d consider embedding Tomcat, Jetty or Reactor Netty. I would personally use an application framework like Spring Boot or Quarkus, which typically provides integrations like these out of the box, but this might be overkill for your use case. All great answers. I'm going to throw my hat in the ring for Tomcat. Been an in production user, at global finance scale with millions of daily and 1000s of concurrent users*, for more than 20 years, since v4 (possibly v3 and the first releases). Issues will always be present, in your favorite tooling, even in the tooling you write. They are ever present trade-offs: "Can I live with this?" If the issues you have in Undertow are security related, the trade-offs may be made for you and you'll have to mitigate and chase patches. HTH, Tim * there's always the architecture involved that supports that, horizontally scaled instances, load balancers, session "umbrellas," and a little bit more. -- Timothy Stone = There are some that call me ... Tim. Husband, Father, Blogger, OSS, Architect, Wargamer, Home Brewer, and 🤓 Find me on GitLab | GitHub | Linked In | MeWe | GnuPG OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: UnderTow
Which particular issues in the issue tracker prevent you from using undertow? After checking https://issues.redhat.com/projects/UNDERTOW/issues/UNDERTOW-2428?filter=allopenissues i'm not really seeing anything that would stand out for me // Mantas On Tue, Nov 18, 2025, 15:34 Tommy Svensson wrote: > I'm sorry, but this is not maven related! I'm turning to this list due to > that I believe there are many experienced developers here! > > I have used undertow before, and I liked it. But there where 3 official > issues in the version I had, so I took the latest version. It has 22 > issues > > I was in a bit of a schock! > > Can anyone suggest an alternative ? I just want to be able to do HTTP/S > requests and receive HTTP/S requests. This in its simplest form possible. > > Any suggestions ? I > > And again sorry for misusing this list. > > Tommy Svensson > > [email protected]
Re: UnderTow
> Op 18 nov 2025, om 14:33 heeft Tommy Svensson het > volgende geschreven: > > I'm sorry, but this is not maven related! I'm turning to this list due to > that I believe there are many experienced developers here! > > I have used undertow before, and I liked it. But there where 3 official > issues in the version I had, so I took the latest version. It has 22 > issues > > I was in a bit of a schock! > > Can anyone suggest an alternative ? I just want to be able to do HTTP/S > requests and receive HTTP/S requests. This in its simplest form possible. For doing requests: Java has HttpClient built-in since JDK 11. (In older JDK versions you only get HttpURLConnection, which is not fun to work with directly.) If JDK HttpClient doesn’t serve your needs, check out Apache HttpClient, Jetty HttpClient or Reactor Netty HttpClient. For receiving requests: the JDK has a simple HttpServer API. For anything slightly serious I’d consider embedding Tomcat, Jetty or Reactor Netty. I would personally use an application framework like Spring Boot or Quarkus, which typically provides integrations like these out of the box, but this might be overkill for your use case. Nils. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
Re: UnderTow
Tommy Svensson [email protected] Från: Tamás Cservenák Svara: Maven Users List Datum: 18 november 2025 at 14:46:20 Till: Maven Users List Ämne: Re: UnderTow Howdy, Personally, I never went past Jetty :) It never failed me. Thanks T On Tue, Nov 18, 2025 at 2:34 PM Tommy Svensson wrote: > > I'm sorry, but this is not maven related! I'm turning to this list due to > that I believe there are many experienced developers here! > > I have used undertow before, and I liked it. But there where 3 official > issues in the version I had, so I took the latest version. It has 22 > issues > > I was in a bit of a schock! > > Can anyone suggest an alternative ? I just want to be able to do HTTP/S > requests and receive HTTP/S requests. This in its simplest form possible. > > Any suggestions ? I > > And again sorry for misusing this list. > > Tommy Svensson > > [email protected] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
Re: UnderTow
Howdy, Personally, I never went past Jetty :) It never failed me. Thanks T On Tue, Nov 18, 2025 at 2:34 PM Tommy Svensson wrote: > > I'm sorry, but this is not maven related! I'm turning to this list due to > that I believe there are many experienced developers here! > > I have used undertow before, and I liked it. But there where 3 official > issues in the version I had, so I took the latest version. It has 22 > issues > > I was in a bit of a schock! > > Can anyone suggest an alternative ? I just want to be able to do HTTP/S > requests and receive HTTP/S requests. This in its simplest form possible. > > Any suggestions ? I > > And again sorry for misusing this list. > > Tommy Svensson > > [email protected] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
