RE: [Vo]:Question about hot glass

2009-07-27 Thread Rick Monteverde
The hot (1800+ degF) and warm (1450+ degF) glass I've worked with always stays clear. Glass from a furnace is extremely clear, you can look at the bottom of the pot and it looks like there's nothing in there. The really weird thing is when gold metal gets translucent. Noticed it for years but

Re: [Vo]:Question about hot glass

2009-07-27 Thread Alexander Hollins
Molten glass at red stage is generally crystal clear. you can find videos of glass blowing demenstrations on youtube and see for yourself. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 6:38 AM, Stephen A. Lawrencesa...@pobox.com wrote: I ran across an explanation of a blackbody which I actually understood a week or

[Vo]:unsubscribe

2009-07-27 Thread Robert Hoffmann
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RE: [Vo]:inertial thruster with casimir cavity

2009-07-27 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Horace, As a secondary test after Argon I would also try hydrogen, Mills' results and Haisch Moddel patent seem to indicate a preference for small monatomic atoms, As far as trying to intensify your field I agree with your plan to downsize assuming success with Argon but should it turn out

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Abduction Paradigm

2009-07-27 Thread Terry Blanton
Well written essay. Of all the researchers, John Mack, Budd Hopkins, Whitley Streiber, it is David Jacobs' view that frightens me the most. Have you read The Threat? Anyway, he has a web site: http://www.ufoabduction.com/ Terry On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 9:11 PM,

Re: [Vo]:inertial thruster with casimir cavity

2009-07-27 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jul 27, 2009, at 3:06 AM, Roarty, Francis X wrote: Horace, As a secondary test after Argon I would also try hydrogen, Mills' results and Haisch Moddel patent seem to indicate a preference for small monatomic atoms, As far as trying to intensify your field I agree with your plan to

[Vo]:Gulf Stream energy

2009-07-27 Thread Jed Rothwell
We have discussed this here before. See: http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/07/27/ocean.turbines/index.html Important points are that power density is higher than wind or solar and the energy is continuous, not intermittent. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Gulf Stream energy

2009-07-27 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jul 27, 2009, at 5:46 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: We have discussed this here before. See: http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/07/27/ocean.turbines/index.html Important points are that power density is higher than wind or solar and the energy is continuous, not intermittent. - Jed It may also

Re: [Vo]:Gulf Stream energy

2009-07-27 Thread Jed Rothwell
Horace Heffner wrote: It may also permanently disappear too fast to avoid the loss of power by other means. What do you mean by that? Are you suggesting that the Gulf Stream may stop or shift locations? I have never heard that before. It has been in the same location at the same strength

Re: [Vo]:How to Build a UFO

2009-07-27 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Terry Blanton wrote: Speaking of UFOs on a slow Sunday, this guy has a very interesting interpretation of the lyrics to Hotel California: http://www.inthe70s.com/generated/lyricsmeaning.shtml The Eagles's Hotel California Although I think many of you have hit upon some very interesting

RE: [Vo]:How to Build a UFO

2009-07-27 Thread Mark Iverson
LOL!!! That was hilarious! Thx Stephen... -Mark -Original Message- From: Stephen A. Lawrence [mailto:sa...@pobox.com] Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 8:05 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:How to Build a UFO Terry Blanton wrote: Speaking of UFOs on a slow Sunday, this guy

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Abduction Paradigm

2009-07-27 Thread Edmund Storms
I too have studied and given lot of thought to the UFO phenomenon. Steven has provided a good description of many of my conclusions, so I won't try to add anything except to ask one question. Why do people have such a difficult time accepting such a well documented phenomenon? To start

RE: [Vo]:OT: The Abduction Paradigm

2009-07-27 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Hi Ed, I didn't know you were a member on here or I wouldn't have forwarded you that last thread. Regarding UFOs I feel the lack of physical evidence compared to the huge number of visual observations makes a stronger case for some kind of temporal lensing akin to gravitational lensing

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Abduction Paradigm

2009-07-27 Thread Edmund Storms
Hi Fran, If you want to explain a phenomenon, you need to be aware of all the evidence, not just that which fits a model. Physical evidence has been found, a few UFO have been shot down, and they are seen for long periods of time by many people including by radar. People have even

Re: [Vo]:Question about hot glass

2009-07-27 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Rick Monteverde wrote: The hot (1800+ degF) and warm (1450+ degF) glass I've worked with always stays clear. Glass from a furnace is extremely clear, you can look at the bottom of the pot and it looks like there's nothing in there. In this case it's presumably also not glowing, or at least

Re: [Vo]:Question about hot glass

2009-07-27 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Alexander Hollins wrote: Molten glass at red stage is generally crystal clear. you can find videos of glass blowing demenstrations on youtube and see for yourself. Thanks -- I'll have to look them up. Issue is that if it's radiating, say, 10% as much as molten platinum would (with roughly

Re: [Vo]:How to unscribe to this list , pls ?

2009-07-27 Thread Jed Rothwell
How? How?!? There is no unsubscribing from this list. It is like the Roach Motel. Seriously, the message heading tells you: List-Unsubscribe: mailto:vortex-l-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe - Jed

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Abduction Paradigm

2009-07-27 Thread Terry Blanton
MUFON has their 40th anniversary symposium in Denver in August: http://www.mufon.com/ I used to be the MUFON moderator on a CompuServe forum (so many years ago!) Terry On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Edmund Stormsstor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: You can probably find out about this effort on

RE: [Vo]:How to unscribe to this list , pls ?

2009-07-27 Thread Jones Beene
Well, it's kinda like the aforementioned Hotel California, isn't it ;-) You can check-out, but you can never leave ... Come to think of it, if I can remember that far back in time, both the Hotel and the State (of mind) are a metaphor for a kind of seductive addiction ... You know - in

RE: [Vo]:OT: The Abduction Paradigm

2009-07-27 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Ed, I have no issue with long observations or even radar returns but the argument for physical evidence would require some sort of temporal paradox preventing these artifacts from being revealed. The observations have been frequent, widespread and stretch too far into the past for normal

Re: [Vo]:Question about hot glass

2009-07-27 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Rick Monteverde wrote: The hot (1800+ degF) and warm (1450+ degF) glass I've worked with always stays clear. Glass from a furnace is extremely clear, you can look at the bottom of the pot and it looks like there's nothing in there. In this case it's presumably

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Abduction Paradigm

2009-07-27 Thread Edmund Storms
Fran, The government may be lousy at keeping secrets but they are very good at protecting physical objects, especially the military. For example, when a military airplane crashes, it is immediately isolated and every piece is cleaned up and taken away. They do the same careful cleanup

Re: [Vo]:Question about hot glass

2009-07-27 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Rick Monteverde wrote: The hot (1800+ degF) and warm (1450+ degF) glass I've worked with always stays clear. Glass from a furnace is extremely clear, you can look at the bottom of the pot and it looks like there's nothing in there. In

Re: [Vo]:Gulf Stream energy

2009-07-27 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jul 27, 2009, at 6:27 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Horace Heffner wrote: It may also permanently disappear too fast to avoid the loss of power by other means. What do you mean by that? Are you suggesting that the Gulf Stream may stop or shift locations? Yes. Disruption of the

Re: [Vo]:How to unscribe to this list , pls ?

2009-07-27 Thread Terry Blanton
Well, harumph, that's much nicer than the colonitis to which I thought it referred. Terry On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Jones Beenejone...@pacbell.net wrote: Well, it's kinda like the aforementioned Hotel California, isn't it ;-) You can check-out, but you can never leave ... Come to

Re: [Vo]:Gulf Stream energy

2009-07-27 Thread Horace Heffner
Some reference material on abrupt climate change caused by thermohaline circulation disruption follows. http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/PolarParadox/ http://tinyurl.com/ldbh8v ... sea ice transported into the Greenland Sea has the ability to cap mixing of fresh and saline water

RE: [Vo]:Hydrino represents Lorentz contraction in the opposite direction from event horizon

2009-07-27 Thread Frank Roarty
How about circulating a radioactive gas through fine metal powder, assuming it doesn't become pyrophoric it would create through channel cavities between the grains instead of dead end cavities inside the metal. -Original Message- From: Stephen A. Lawrence [mailto:sa...@pobox.com]

Re: [Vo]:Gulf Stream energy

2009-07-27 Thread Nick Palmer
Jed wrote: What do you mean by that? Are you suggesting that the Gulf Stream may stop or shift locations? It's regarded as a long term possibility depending on how far and fast Greenland melts. The film The Day after Tomorrow was based on this change in ocean circulation. At the time, the

RE: [Vo]:Hydrino represents Lorentz contraction in the opposite direction from event horizon

2009-07-27 Thread Jones Beene
Given that tritium is expensive, toxic, and tightly controlled and that there is no requirement for a gas - and given that you are interested in Mills work and that potassium is a BLP catalyst, and that 40K is mildly radioactive and available in enriched form and has a low melting point. Get

Re: [Vo]:Hydrino represents Lorentz contraction in the opposite direction from event horizon

2009-07-27 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jul 27, 2009, at 3:12 PM, Jones Beene wrote: Given that tritium is expensive, toxic, and tightly controlled and that there is no requirement for a gas - and given that you are interested in Mills work and that potassium is a BLP catalyst, and that 40K is mildly radioactive and

Re: [Vo]:Hydrino represents Lorentz contraction in the opposite direction from event horizon

2009-07-27 Thread Horace Heffner
Technetium would also be a handy element to use to see if Barker's method of enhancing alpha decay also works for positron emission decay. See United States Patent 5,076,971 Barker Dec. 31, 1991, Method for enhancing alpha decay in radioactive materials,Inventors: Barker; William A. (Los

Re: [Vo]:Question about hot glass

2009-07-27 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: I've seen lead-crystal (very clear) glass being worked at high temperatures, at Corning many years ago, and as far as I can recall it did indeed glow bright orange. After the conversation here I searched through my old slides and found a photo of what I

Re: [Vo]:Question about hot glass

2009-07-27 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jul 27, 2009, at 10:07 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Suppose you took a lump of glass and placed it in an (evacuated) oven. Suppose further that the walls of the oven are dead black, absorbing (nearly) all radiation which falls on them, and assume that they radiate about as you'd

Re: [Vo]:Question about hot glass

2009-07-27 Thread Horace Heffner
Some great history of black body radiating cavity hole physics: http://Galileo.phys.Virginia.EDU/classes/252/black_body_radiation.html http://tinyurl.com/mbra5q Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/

Re: [Vo]:Hydrino represents Lorentz contraction in the opposite direction from event horizon

2009-07-27 Thread Jones Beene
Horace The half-life of potassium 40 is 1.3 billion years... It is not logical to expect a cavity effect to cause any detectable change in the amount of 40K. Yes, we would be looking for a dramatic change in the decay rate as measured in the average microrem per hour, or whatever, but

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Abduction Paradigm

2009-07-27 Thread Harry Veeder
The 'threat' might be taken more seriously if the number of people abducted each year exceeded the number of people killed in car accidents. Harry - Original Message - From: Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com Date: Monday, July 27, 2009 11:56 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: The Abduction