Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Offers Dealerships
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 11:01 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson < [email protected]> wrote: > > That would seem to suggest that Defkalion will probably be able to pay > salary & utility bills through the end of the year... at least through > October. ;-) > I don't expect to see any IPOs any time soon. :-) > > * * * * > > BTW: The vortex-l Eskimo server is experiencing technical > difficulties. I gather the main person in charge of maintaining the > servers is on vacation. It may be a while before things are back to > normal. I've noticed that I have to send messages four or five times > before one finally gets through. That would be Carl. He's kinda filling in. Here's a post from the EskimoNorthUsers Yahoo group from Tuesday: Today the mail server crashed, and the web server crashed. The mail server is now back online, however the web server really bit the dust this time. The cpu in it died. I have replaced the motherboard and cpu, with one that has two cpu's on it. They are both 300Mhz, instead of 400mhz, but there is two of them instead of one. Hopefully they can handle the load for now because it's all I have for spares until Robert gets out of Prison. I should have the web server back up within a few hours. -Carl Dinse Presently Carl says he doesn't see a problem while other users are disagreeing. There is, however, a problem. T
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Offers Dealerships
>From Terry: > The story is that they are funded by expat Greeks living in Canada to the > tune of €400M. The funds are allegedly committed but the actual status is > not public, AFAIK. They have been approached with offers of more funding; > but, they have smiled and said "no thanks". That would seem to suggest that Defkalion will probably be able to pay salary & utility bills through the end of the year... at least through October. ;-) * * * * BTW: The vortex-l Eskimo server is experiencing technical difficulties. I gather the main person in charge of maintaining the servers is on vacation. It may be a while before things are back to normal. I've noticed that I have to send messages four or five times before one finally gets through. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Offers Dealerships
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 10:30 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson < [email protected]> wrote: > > Does anyone else have any thoughts on the current status of > Defkalion's piggy bank? The story is that they are funded by expat Greeks living in Canada to the tune of €400M. The funds are allegedly committed but the actual status is not public, AFAIK. They have been approached with offers of more funding; but, they have smiled and said "no thanks". T
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Offers Dealerships
Jed. Time will tell. I sincerely hope I am wrong with my cynical view of the way Rossi and Defkalion are doing things. I have been waiting as long as everyone to see a cold fusion related product reach the marketplace. We need it now more than ever with oil prices over $100 barrel and peak oil looming in the not too distant future. On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Rock_nj wrote: > > Exactly the way "free energy" inventor (scammer) Dennis Lee raised money, >> by selling dealerships. Why would Defkalion need to sell dealerships to >> raise money if they have such a blockbuster energy product? This thing is >> really starting to smell bad. > > > This is also exactly the way a legitimate company sells machines that > require maintenance and regular servicing, such as air conditioners, boilers > and automobiles. Do you expect them to set up direct dealerships and support > staff in every city? > > Rock_nj has a damned-if-they-do, damned-if-they don't attitude. Defkalion > is looking for OEM and dealerships. This is what anyone in their business > would do. They have also set up a web site and they are holding press > conferences. Again, any legitimate business would do this. Yes, this is also > what a scammer does. You can make a long list of things that scammers and > real businesses have in common. Every time Defkalion does something on the > list, you can point to that as evidence that they are not legitimate. This > is illogical and it proves nothing either way. > > - Jed > >
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Offers Dealerships
Terry Sez: > Can I borrow $58M? Well... according to my unorthodox "Witch Doctor" source, Rossi & Associates are still in need of a lot of cash in order to finish basic R&D. Despite certain misgivings already expressed here it seems to me that offering up dealerships might be a reasonable/legitimate way of drumming up a few credits here and there. Alas, I wish I knew if Defkalion really is cash strapped. I'm inclined to assume they are. Of course, all of the above is nothing more than highly speculative ramblings on my part - largely based on "the Doctor's" alleged assessment of Rossi. I didn't really ask "the Doctor" specifically about the status of Defkalion. Does anyone else have any thoughts on the current status of Defkalion's piggy bank? Inquiring Minds want to know. ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Offers Dealerships
Rock_nj wrote: Exactly the way "free energy" inventor (scammer) Dennis Lee raised money, by > selling dealerships. Why would Defkalion need to sell dealerships to raise > money if they have such a blockbuster energy product? This thing is really > starting to smell bad. This is also exactly the way a legitimate company sells machines that require maintenance and regular servicing, such as air conditioners, boilers and automobiles. Do you expect them to set up direct dealerships and support staff in every city? Rock_nj has a damned-if-they-do, damned-if-they don't attitude. Defkalion is looking for OEM and dealerships. This is what anyone in their business would do. They have also set up a web site and they are holding press conferences. Again, any legitimate business would do this. Yes, this is also what a scammer does. You can make a long list of things that scammers and real businesses have in common. Every time Defkalion does something on the list, you can point to that as evidence that they are not legitimate. This is illogical and it proves nothing either way. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Offers Dealerships
At 08:54 AM 7/7/2011, Rock_nj wrote: Exactly the way "free energy" inventor (scammer) Dennis Lee raised money, by selling dealerships. Why would Defkaâlion need to sell dealerships to raise money if they have such a blockbuster energy product? This thing is really starting to smell bad. This is nothing either way. Defkalion might even be incomplete in their own testing, but they are looking ahead to success. Or they know very well what they have, and they are handling this as described. Nothing about this announcement indicates that they "need to raise money." They are responding to inquiries. What would you have them say, "No, go away!"??? Even if they have nothing, signing an agreement for rights would not be fraud. BlackLight Power has signed agreements for rights or sales. There is no fraud unless special conditions arise. Including actual payment. The agreement to purchase rights, the agreement to sell rights, doesn't establish payment. And payment might be explicitly stated as non-refundable or as refundable under certain conditions. It's all speculation. What I see in the comment above is conclusions based on belief in bogosity. I'm more interested in what they claim about web hits and numbers of companies inquiring. I'm not surprised. But that claim is not authoritative, it could be exaggerated, or not.
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Offers Dealerships
Exactly the way "free energy" inventor (scammer) Dennis Lee raised money, by selling dealerships. Why would Defkalion need to sell dealerships to raise money if they have such a blockbuster energy product? This thing is really starting to smell bad. On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 7:39 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: > July 6th, 2011 > Dear interested party, > You have received this email because you have shown an initial interest for > commercial involvement with our company and our products based on Andrea > Rossi’s > e-Cat invention (exothermic reaction between Hydrogen and Nickel). > Many have signed non disclosure agreements with us and others are in the > process of > doing so. We offer you the possibility to meet with us prior to our public > announcement that we accept international expressions of interest through > our > website as of September 2011. > As such, this letter will update you on our current status, and provide you > with a > clearer understanding of the structure with which we are proceeding for all > international partnerships. As many of you know, the manner is the same > globally. > Regarding exclusivity, having received expressions of interest from 63 > countries and > more than 850 companies, we decided to change our non-exclusivity approach > so that > due diligence and selection of multiple partners in any given country is > the > responsibility off the country rights holder. As such, we will only sign > agreements with > one company per country. Any additional factories will pass through this > partner. > --- --- > Regarding our international sales approach, it is as follows: > We sell the rights to manufacture our products exclusively to one company > for > a given country at a fixed royalty price of 40.5 million Euros per factory > producing 300,000 units annually. Within this price, we will: > o Provide the blueprints to establish the factory according to our > international standardized plans, including all details for the machinery > / software / technical know-how used in the factory. > o Provide transfer-of-knowledge (production, technical, after sales, > maintenance) both in Greece as well as on location > Additional royalties are paid to us for each product sold > We sell and deliver the industrial secret as a component to the final > product in > a black box, plug-and-play module. > Local company partnerships, marketing, points of sales, technical support > remains the responsibility of the country rights holder. > If additional factories need to be built, the same principles remain. > Our business and pricing is structured to create lucrative win-win > opportunities > for all. > > Regarding time-line and milestones for those interested to proceed in > talks: > Initial meeting in Athens during July and August (except 14-20 July and > 10-20 > August) to discuss and sign preliminary expression of interest contract, > whereby the opportunity to secure the exclusive rights will be given. > Meeting in our factory during October to inspect and verify kW units > Meeting in our factory during December to inspect and verify MW units > --- --- > Regarding next steps, and based on the information provided herein, if you > see > opportunities that match your company’s capabilities, and if you believe > your company > qualifies to proceed with further talks, we welcome your reply to this > email > accordingly in order to: > Signing of a non disclosure confidentiality agreement sent by us upon > request > Secure a date for a meeting in Athens during July or August > The abovementioned initial meeting in our offices here in Athens should not > last more > than 3-5 hours. Appointments will be set according to availability. As > mentioned > above, these meetings will take place during July (excluding above dates). > --- --- > Regarding factory specs, below is some basic information regarding the > overview of > the factory requirements according to our standards. Many of you will have > already > seen these figures; nothing has changed: > Larger and smaller factories can be negotiated according to markets. Basic > aspects of > each factory producing 300,000 units annually (kW and MW product ranges) > are: > 12,000m2 space (maximum height of 14 meters for half of the allocated > space) > IT to monitor production line, 1st level support and distribution > channels > Assembly of products will include the following activities: > Build-up of final product (electronics, heat management, etc) > Assembly of reactors (purchased from Defkalion) > Quality Control > Total Quality Management > Environmental Control > Stress Tests > Functional Tests of end products > Recharging of units > Recycling procedures > > Factory Special Conditions: > Clear air similar to pharmaceutical industry standards > Access to constant flow of water > Heat management of waste heat during tests of modules (this heat energy > could also be used to run the factory’s energy needs
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Offers Dealerships
Can I borrow $58M? T
[Vo]:Defkalion Offers Dealerships
July 6th, 2011 Dear interested party, You have received this email because you have shown an initial interest for commercial involvement with our company and our products based on Andrea Rossi’s e-Cat invention (exothermic reaction between Hydrogen and Nickel). Many have signed non disclosure agreements with us and others are in the process of doing so. We offer you the possibility to meet with us prior to our public announcement that we accept international expressions of interest through our website as of September 2011. As such, this letter will update you on our current status, and provide you with a clearer understanding of the structure with which we are proceeding for all international partnerships. As many of you know, the manner is the same globally. Regarding exclusivity, having received expressions of interest from 63 countries and more than 850 companies, we decided to change our non-exclusivity approach so that due diligence and selection of multiple partners in any given country is the responsibility off the country rights holder. As such, we will only sign agreements with one company per country. Any additional factories will pass through this partner. --- --- Regarding our international sales approach, it is as follows: We sell the rights to manufacture our products exclusively to one company for a given country at a fixed royalty price of 40.5 million Euros per factory producing 300,000 units annually. Within this price, we will: o Provide the blueprints to establish the factory according to our international standardized plans, including all details for the machinery / software / technical know-how used in the factory. o Provide transfer-of-knowledge (production, technical, after sales, maintenance) both in Greece as well as on location Additional royalties are paid to us for each product sold We sell and deliver the industrial secret as a component to the final product in a black box, plug-and-play module. Local company partnerships, marketing, points of sales, technical support remains the responsibility of the country rights holder. If additional factories need to be built, the same principles remain. Our business and pricing is structured to create lucrative win-win opportunities for all. Regarding time-line and milestones for those interested to proceed in talks: Initial meeting in Athens during July and August (except 14-20 July and 10-20 August) to discuss and sign preliminary expression of interest contract, whereby the opportunity to secure the exclusive rights will be given. Meeting in our factory during October to inspect and verify kW units Meeting in our factory during December to inspect and verify MW units --- --- Regarding next steps, and based on the information provided herein, if you see opportunities that match your company’s capabilities, and if you believe your company qualifies to proceed with further talks, we welcome your reply to this email accordingly in order to: Signing of a non disclosure confidentiality agreement sent by us upon request Secure a date for a meeting in Athens during July or August The abovementioned initial meeting in our offices here in Athens should not last more than 3-5 hours. Appointments will be set according to availability. As mentioned above, these meetings will take place during July (excluding above dates). --- --- Regarding factory specs, below is some basic information regarding the overview of the factory requirements according to our standards. Many of you will have already seen these figures; nothing has changed: Larger and smaller factories can be negotiated according to markets. Basic aspects of each factory producing 300,000 units annually (kW and MW product ranges) are: 12,000m2 space (maximum height of 14 meters for half of the allocated space) IT to monitor production line, 1st level support and distribution channels Assembly of products will include the following activities: Build-up of final product (electronics, heat management, etc) Assembly of reactors (purchased from Defkalion) Quality Control Total Quality Management Environmental Control Stress Tests Functional Tests of end products Recharging of units Recycling procedures Factory Special Conditions: Clear air similar to pharmaceutical industry standards Access to constant flow of water Heat management of waste heat during tests of modules (this heat energy could also be used to run the factory’s energy needs with third party technology) --- --- Regarding R&D, it is also the case that some of you seek partnerships in the field of R&D. Such interest is seen favorably, but will be dealt with under case-by-case assessment following a detailed expression of interest. Please note that such talks will take place after October 2011. --- --- We would like to reiterate that this communication is made and provided to you prior to our international announcement in light of your early participation in this exciting endeavor.
