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It would seem advantageous to all participating ICCF-16 participants to track down a legitimate witness to the December/January Italian demonstration, hopefully a physics professor. Make an offer he can't refuse. Personally fly him to ICCF-16, promise to pay his hotel room, and all his meals... SPARE NO EXPENSE. Get him to the conference on time... any which way you can. Forge his passport! Shoot him up with all the necessary inoculations before stuffing him on a midnight jet bound for India. [Of course, I'm just kidding about all that illegal passport stuff & inoculation activity.] There have been enuf shenanigans. Nevertheless, I'm dead serious about getting in contact with an eye-witness. There's an easy way to get someone to participate in the conference: ARRANGE FOR, AND HOOK UP A TELECONFERENCE CALL. MAKE ARRANGEMENTS THAT *IS* DOABLE DO IT!!! MAKE SUCH ACTIONS HAPPEN! "MAKE IT SO!" Regards, Steven "Picard" Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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Mr Lawrence sez: > What's a BoD? In this case: Board of Directors But right now, I could use a doughnut. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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On 02/04/2011 03:57 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: > For a short period last year I was an > active BoD member on Mr. Krivit's NET magazine. What's a BoD? An internet search for BoD turned up a number of enticing possibilities, including "Bag of Doughnuts", "Battery Operated Device", and "Bringer of Death", though I suppose the rather mundane "Board of Directors", which appeared quite far down the list, might be more likely. Is that it? (Does Steve Krivit really have a board of directors? I thought his NET magazine was just him -- it takes an entire board to direct him?)
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No, Steven, it wasn't a 'dumb comment'... Jed is more like an extrovert and what first comes to his mind comes out his mouth... Then he thinks about it! :-) It is certainly appropriate that *someone* report on the Rossi-Focardi demo at ICCF-16, but who? Are there any researchers at ICCF-16 who were also present at the Italy demo? That would be the most appropriate person to provide a report, with perhaps supporting comments from others if the first-person account is not that familiar with the Ni-H research... Anxious to hear what's coming out at ICCF-16 in all areas of LENR... Are there any Vorts there??? Jed? -Mark -Original Message- From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 12:58 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Vo]:ICCF16 Rossi section >From Jed: Some follow-up comments. >> For me this truly begs a nagging question. Of what importance, if >> any, could actually be discussed at such a meeting conducted by >> Melich. > > A great deal. Melich has a lot of technical info on this. > He has read the papers published by Rossi and understands them better > than I do. I hope your perception on this particular matter is accurate. I'll elaborate some more on that matter further on down. >> It's my understanding, according to Krivit, that Rossi has stated >> that Melich is NOT speaking on his behalf. > No one speaks for Rossi. Make sense to me. >> ON WHOSE BEHALF IS MELICH SPEAKING FOR? What's Melich's objective? >> What's in it for him? > That's a really dumb comment. This is a scientific conference. > He is speaking on behalf of science, reporting technical facts. That's > what people do at conferences. His objective is to enlighten his > colleagues. > This is not a secret conspiracy or a pulp thriller. It is real life. > It is a physics conference. Dull as dishwater, believe me. I'm certainly not immune to occasionally making dumb comments or completely misinterpreting events. I'm also not immune to misinterpreting the personal motivations of others. Shoot! Sometime I don't know what my own personal motivations might be at a particularly pregnant moment of time. I continue to surprise myself! Nevertheless, the "dumbness" of my commentary is to a large extent derived from the puzzling comments one can retrieve from Krivit's own assessment of Melich. For example, Krivit sez the following: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/36/3625rf-melichmacy.shtml Excerpt: > For many years, Melich has gone out of his way to give people in the > LENR field, including me, the impression that he is a covert > intelligence agent, specifically tasked by the U.S. government to > promote and keep an eye on "cold fusion." Many people in the field > have believed this and consequently have responded to him > deferentially and with unusual openness. One problem with his methods > is that true covert operators never try to give people the impression > that they are covert operators. I guess I should come out of the closet here and reveal an insignificant personal fact. For a short period last year I was an active BoD member on Mr. Krivit's NET magazine. FYI, Others within the Vort Collective, (who shall remain nameless) have also been BoD members. Therefore, for me to "confess" the fact that I was at one time a BoD member is not that big of a deal. To clarify, the duration of my BoD participation didn't last terribly long. After some official BoD deliberation it finally came to a point where we mutually agreed upon the fact that the best course of action would be for me to resign, particularly when it became obvious that Mr. Krivit and I shared different POVs on several matters. While our last official NET-BoD communications might have been described as, how shall I put it... somewhat contentious, it remains my hope that Krivit and I parted amicably. We certainly wished each other well. And now, with that little bit of personal soap-opera drama out of the way, I would like to once again express a concern that Melich seems to have acquired a mysterious mystique about himself, this depending on who you talk to. I gather Mr. Krivit acquired questions pertaining to Melich's activities and speculated motivations. To be honest, I don't know what to think about this particular matter. I've never met Melich in person. Therefore, I have to rely on the perceptions others have acquired.I honestly don't know if Krivit's concerns are valid or not. I refuse to pass judgment on Krivit's perceptions, other than to express the fact that there probably are reasons as to why Krivit acquired such "concern". I am not privy to the specifics, however, and as such
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>From Jed: Some follow-up comments. >> For me this truly begs a nagging question. Of what importance, >> if any, could actually be discussed at such a meeting >> conducted by Melich. > > A great deal. Melich has a lot of technical info on this. > He has read the papers published by Rossi and understands them > better than I do. I hope your perception on this particular matter is accurate. I'll elaborate some more on that matter further on down. >> It's my understanding, according to Krivit, that Rossi >> has stated that Melich is NOT speaking on his behalf. > No one speaks for Rossi. Make sense to me. >> ON WHOSE BEHALF IS MELICH SPEAKING FOR? What's Melich's >> objective? What's in it for him? > That's a really dumb comment. This is a scientific conference. > He is speaking on behalf of science, reporting technical > facts. That's what people do at conferences. His objective > is to enlighten his colleagues. > This is not a secret conspiracy or a pulp thriller. It > is real life. It is a physics conference. Dull as dishwater, > believe me. I'm certainly not immune to occasionally making dumb comments or completely misinterpreting events. I'm also not immune to misinterpreting the personal motivations of others. Shoot! Sometime I don't know what my own personal motivations might be at a particularly pregnant moment of time. I continue to surprise myself! Nevertheless, the "dumbness" of my commentary is to a large extent derived from the puzzling comments one can retrieve from Krivit's own assessment of Melich. For example, Krivit sez the following: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/36/3625rf-melichmacy.shtml Excerpt: > For many years, Melich has gone out of his way to give > people in the LENR field, including me, the impression > that he is a covert intelligence agent, specifically > tasked by the U.S. government to promote and keep an > eye on “cold fusion.” Many people in the field have > believed this and consequently have responded to him > deferentially and with unusual openness. One problem > with his methods is that true covert operators never > try to give people the impression that they are covert > operators. I guess I should come out of the closet here and reveal an insignificant personal fact. For a short period last year I was an active BoD member on Mr. Krivit's NET magazine. FYI, Others within the Vort Collective, (who shall remain nameless) have also been BoD members. Therefore, for me to "confess" the fact that I was at one time a BoD member is not that big of a deal. To clarify, the duration of my BoD participation didn't last terribly long. After some official BoD deliberation it finally came to a point where we mutually agreed upon the fact that the best course of action would be for me to resign, particularly when it became obvious that Mr. Krivit and I shared different POVs on several matters. While our last official NET-BoD communications might have been described as, how shall I put it... somewhat contentious, it remains my hope that Krivit and I parted amicably. We certainly wished each other well. And now, with that little bit of personal soap-opera drama out of the way, I would like to once again express a concern that Melich seems to have acquired a mysterious mystique about himself, this depending on who you talk to. I gather Mr. Krivit acquired questions pertaining to Melich's activities and speculated motivations. To be honest, I don't know what to think about this particular matter. I've never met Melich in person. Therefore, I have to rely on the perceptions others have acquired.I honestly don't know if Krivit's concerns are valid or not. I refuse to pass judgment on Krivit's perceptions, other than to express the fact that there probably are reasons as to why Krivit acquired such "concern". I am not privy to the specifics, however, and as such I don't wish to add more disinformation and unfounded speculation to the stew. I only wish to reiterate a perception that Melich seems to have acquired a mystique about himself - that perhaps to some extent that "mystique" seems to have served Melich in strategically advantageous ways. I hope that might help explain why I originally asked the "dumb" question: "What's Melich's objective? What's in it for him?" Inquiring minds want to know. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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Steven V Johnson wrote: > For me this truly begs a nagging question. Of what importance, if any, > could actually be discussed at such a meeting conducted by Melich. > A great deal. Melich has a lot of technical info on this. He has read the papers published by Rossi and understands them better than I do. It's my understanding, according to Krivit, that Rossi has stated that > Melich is NOT speaking on his behalf. > No one speaks for Rossi. > > ON WHOSE BEHALF IS MELICH SPEAKING FOR? What's Melich's objective? > What's in it for him? > That's a really dumb comment. This is a scientific conference. He is speaking on behalf of science, reporting technical facts. That's what people do at conferences. His objective is to enlighten his colleagues. This is not a secret conspiracy or a pulp thriller. It is real life. It is a physics conference. Dull as dishwater, believe me. - Jed
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Even if Melich is not speaking for Rossi, he has a lot to gain from 'reporting' on the demo... Perceptions in the business world are critical, and the person who can create/foster the perception that they are the 'goto' person, the person 'in-the-know', will inevitably gain from it... They will get exposure and name recognition, and be in a better position to profit from the developments, even though they weren't directly responsible for them. -Mark -Original Message- From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 9:40 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Vo]:ICCF16 Rossi section For me this truly begs a nagging question. Of what importance, if any, could actually be discussed at such a meeting conducted by Melich. It's my understanding, according to Krivit, that Rossi has stated that Melich is NOT speaking on his behalf. ON WHOSE BEHALF IS MELICH SPEAKING FOR? What's Melich's objective? What's in it for him? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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>From Jed: > From a PDF file just received: ... > 12.30 F . C elani > M.Melich > : Brief Report on Rossi-Focardi 10 KW Demo > : Additional Remarks on Rossi-Focardi Experiment For me this truly begs a nagging question. Of what importance, if any, could actually be discussed at such a meeting conducted by Melich. It's my understanding, according to Krivit, that Rossi has stated that Melich is NOT speaking on his behalf. ON WHOSE BEHALF IS MELICH SPEAKING FOR? What's Melich's objective? What's in it for him? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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>From a PDF file just received: 09.30 Inaugural Session : Welcome Speeches Keynote Address : Prof.Robert Duncan Inaugural Address : Mr. S. Banerjee, Chairman, AEC 10.45 Coffee Break 11.10 Session 1 Plenary Session Chairman: Dr. Bikash Sinha 11.10 Ov 01 : M.McKubre :“What is needed in LENR/FPE studies” 11.30 Ov 03 : E.Storms Ov 02 : :“The Status of Cold Fusion” :“What is Real about Cold Fusion and What Explanations are Plausible?” 12.00 Country summaries : Present Status of LENR (7 mins each) E.Storms : USA I.Goryachav : Russia Bill Collis : Italy Kitamura : Japan 12.30 F . C elani M.Melich : Brief Report on Rossi-Focardi 10 KW Demo : Additional Remarks on Rossi-Focardi Experiment 13.00 LUNCH
