Re: [Vo]:resonance

[Jim Dickenson]

Re item 1 above - I believe that subways and trolleys still use vacuum
incandescent bulbs (at least they used to). They would run five 120V bulbs
in series for lighting (5 x 120 = 600 - the third rail voltage). I remember
seeing these five bulb arrays in the NYC subway in the past. You would
probably have to go through a specialty electrical supply house to get them
- or your local trolley museum.

 - Jim D


On Wed, Jul 16, 2025 at 12:17 PM William Beaty  wrote:

> On Sun, 13 Jul 2025, Robin wrote:
>
> > 1) wrap a coil around a strong magnet (or maybe just an Iron rod?), that
> is aligned with the Earth's magnetic field,
> > such that the Earth's field lines are concentrated in the body of the
> magnet (or Iron rod).
> > 2) Attach a capacitor to the coil such the resonant frequency of the
> tank circuit matches the Schumann resonance.
> > 3) See if any energy can be harvested from the circuit.
>
> Tesla was working at 1KHz, sometimes 5KHz.  The Corums ran simulations
> with planetary Zenneck surface waves and supported this, also finding that
> 10KHz and above was fairly useless, and above 30KHz insignificant.  Tesla
> said the same, discovered from experiment.  "Earth resonance" is a 1KHz
> phenomenon.  (Plus all the overtones of 11.8Hz, or of 8Hz if you prefer.)
>
> So, just need to wind a 1KHz LC resonator, with extremely high Q.  Provide
> lots of side-taps, and add a series of low-loss 1uF capacitors.  I think
> you can get huge litz wire from cheap $10 induction cooker coils sold on
> eBay.  Also, low loss HV 0.33uF capacitors for induction cooker main tank
> circuit.
>
> More practical would be to experiment with the Sutton Spaniol active VLF
> antenna, to verify the physics.  Never tried it myself.  Their trick is to
> make a perfect conductor by the same method as superregen radio:  add an
> active circuit for negative resistance, in parallel with the loop antenna,
> adjusted to cancel out the resistance of the coil and capacitor.  It's a
> DIY hobbyist superconductor resonator.  I did build one of these
> canceled-resistance inductors.  It acts just like a hall-effect sensor,
> since it integrates changes in magnetic flux (it linearly detects
> approaching magnets, just like an analog hall sensor does.  Use this as
> arrays, to build superconductor shield panels.  Weird battery-powered
> superconductor phenomenon.)
>
> So, we must adjust our Sutton/spaniol antenna for stability while
> shielded, then remove shielding and see how large a wave appears.  It will
> SEEM to be unwanted oscillation. That's what conventional hobbyists would
> expect, and they'd simply ignore the results.  (Probably a gigantic 60Hz
> and 120Hz wave appears.  Ignore it as unwanted noise?  But what if you're
> actually seeing resonant power-theft, with significant wattage!)
>
> But, if you intentionally built an "artificial" superconducting coil, then
> obtained some massive received signals, we should properly put it down
> to "mag
> loop" physics, and ascribe it to all the weird results seen with
> electrically small
> radio antennas having immense Q-factor.  (Heh, it's an infinite Q in this
> case, same as supercon loops.)  If any resonant RF signal impinges on the
> coil, a sine wave should
> start ramping up and up.  It will stop increasing as soon as the radiative
> losses from loop-antenna's transmission are equal to the incoming received
> signal.  Much like charging up a capacitor from ambient DC e-fields, but
> in this case it's the oscillatory analog.
>
> The Corums say this doesn't work, because the sharp Earth-resonances
> wander around on a time scale of ~20 seconds.  So, you can never get the
> tuning of your resonator correct.   It would somehow have to track the
> moving planetary resonances in realtime.
>
> But the Sutton-Spaniol "black hole antenna" includes a negative inductance
> circuit.   That way it behaves just like a tuned circuit, while also being
> broadband, and building up huge sine waves of any incoming frequency.
>
> I think these weird VLF devices are ignored because if they show
> unexpected results, everyone insists that it's just self-oscillation, some
> sort of unexplained circuit-instability, and couldn't possibly be caused
> by the physics of high-Q receiving antennas.  (The situation is analogous
> to having a real FE device, but where it required batteries in order to
> produce the bizarre effect.  Nobody will believe that it's real,
> regardless of measurements.   The presence of a DC power supply is
> driving skeptics crazy.)
>
> Heh, so just use a Sutton-Spaniol antenna to extract enough ambient VLF
> power that we can close-the-loop and power the several FET op-amp stages.
> Let the antenna-coil grow warm.  Plus a bank of light bulbs too?
>
> PS
>
> Tesla secrets, dunno if I put them here before...
>
> 1. an incandescent light bulb will light up when held near a Tesla coil.
> Even a BD-10 hand-held "violet ray" T.C. can light a tungsten bulb via
> ionic impact (it's "Tesla carb

Re: [Vo]:resonance

[OuroboroSlitherin]

Since we're talking low resonances, I've been trying to figure out how the 
uber-low resonances of planetary orbits would manifest electromagnetically.

Here are some very preliminary thoughts I've had about mechanisms - but mostly 
I want to create a radio that picks up on these things, and that would be e x t 
r e m e l y low frequency. Any ideas for receivers?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1n3mN_o8jCRy8N5sM7CXfQ1dUKqB9lC-xnuFOI0F0l5k/edit?tab=t.0

-OuroboroSlitherin




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On Sunday, July 20th, 2025 at 2:00 AM, William Beaty  wrote:

> On Wed, 16 Jul 2025, MSF wrote:
> 
> > I'll bet William Beaty could figure it out.
> 
> 
> If Tesla's stuff really worked, then the solution is trivial. First he
> suppressed all fractal streamers from a huge Tesla coil. Then, running
> at high wattage (and perhaps several megavolts,) he turned up the power
> until he got a discharge. He said these were like rifle-shots. (It's
> basically a megavolt spark-gap, which has very different physics than
> kilovolt spark gaps. Relativistic electrons happen at above 500KV.)
> 
> The radiative output of this instant bang-discharge would wrap around the
> planet, and focus back on his big coil. (Basically it was a vertical VLF
> antenna made of plasma.) During that short delay, the coil oscillations
> were ramping up to max. The next discharge would be triggered by the
> significan ambient fields, coming back from the earlier pulse. So the
> next pulse would be triggered by the previous one, after a delay-line
> time.
> 
> That way the lightning-bolts would only happen at a multiple of 8Hz or
> whatever. (11.8Hz?)
> 
> Then, turn the power up, and any 16Hz overtones from the pulses (Fourier
> transform of spikes has LOTS of overtones,) ...would make the coil go
> bang-bang at twice the lowest Shumann frequency. And so on. With
> sufficient input power, it could run at higher and higher harmonics, many
> hundreds Hz, where the spikes stayed in synch with the Earth waveguide,
> because the Earth waveguide is acting as the tank circuit of the overall
> "oscillator." The huge sparks are the analogy for the transistor in a
> Hartley oscillator. The Earth-waveguide delay becomes the RLC tank
> circuit of an oscillator. But since it's a waveguide, not a
> coil-capacitor, it can run at any one of higher modes ...multiples of the
> fundamental 8Hz. There should be about a thousand different frequencies
> available (8Hz to 8KHz.)
> 
> Weird trivia: at colorado springs, the telescoping metal tower was sealed,
> and hollow. One guy suspects that the airtight seal was used because
> Tesla pumped it down to a vacuum, by heating it up with water inside, then
> corking it off when the steam had driven out all the air. (That's a
> paleolithic vacuum pump. Ancients with glassblowing could have made
> vacuum tubes.) That gives maybe 2% of one atmosphere, the vapor pressure
> of water at room temp. But the guy didn't know why Tesla did this. Put
> megavolt/nanosecond spikes on an iron pipe, after pumping a vacuum inside?
> Maybe there's some weird physics which nobody knows about, unless they've
> worked with hundred-megavolt RF in the gigahertz regime. Which I expect
> is basically nobody since 1899.
> 
> 
> 
> > I just thought that while I was at it, I could "steal" some 60hz grid
> > juice. Using an open solenoid, you can fine tune the frequency by moving
> > an iron rod in and out. It worked pretty well.
> 
> 
> Old brainstorm: a big neodyminum magnet, if wiggling in a vacuum chamber,
> is essentially a lossless resonator, like a superconductor. Give it a
> whack, and what's the decay-rate of the wiggle? Or if not lossless, then
> incredibly high Q, thousands of times higher than an oscillating copper
> coil.
> 
> So, if we spin a neodymium magnet in a vacuum, drive it up to 3600RPM
> ...will it keep going by itself? Any microwatts of ambient 60Hz field
> should drive it as an AC synchronous motor. Shine 60Hz strobe-light on
> it, so you can see it not slowing down.
> 
> But instead we want a 60Hz dipole antenna. So make two of these, placed
> five meters apart, to emulate an iron rod 5M long. No, ten. No, even
> more! They'd act like a lossless ferrite rod many many meters long
> ...wound with a 60Hz superconducting tank coil.
> 
> The power company thinks we cannot do any harm with "power theft" as long
> as we stay 100 ft away from a transmission line. Now give them a
> one-tesla magnet, a few hundred feet long, with the fields synchronized so
> as to be like a resonant transformer-secondary. (Pickup coils don't do
> any harm unless they're RESONANT pickup coils. And even then, they're
> harmless as long as the Q is only hundreds. What if effective Q is a
> million times higher? What counter-voltage does it induce into the
> nearby power line? That gives a hint to the wattage which can be stolen.)
> 
> No, I'm not gonna try this. Let someone else get all the fame, and maybe
> the jail time.
> 
> Write an 

Re: [Vo]:resonance

[William Beaty]

On Wed, 16 Jul 2025, MSF wrote:


I'll bet William Beaty could figure it out.


If Tesla's stuff really worked, then the solution is trivial.   First he 
suppressed all fractal streamers from a huge Tesla coil.   Then, running 
at high wattage (and perhaps several megavolts,)  he turned up the power 
until he got a discharge.  He said these were like rifle-shots.  (It's 
basically a megavolt spark-gap, which has very different physics than 
kilovolt spark gaps.  Relativistic electrons happen at above 500KV.)


The radiative output of this instant bang-discharge would wrap around the 
planet, and focus back on his big coil.  (Basically it was a vertical VLF 
antenna made of plasma.)  During that short delay, the coil oscillations 
were ramping up to max.  The next discharge would be triggered by the 
significan ambient fields, coming back from the earlier pulse.  So the 
next pulse would be triggered by the previous one, after a delay-line 
time.


That way the lightning-bolts would only happen at a multiple of 8Hz or 
whatever.  (11.8Hz?)


Then, turn the power up, and any 16Hz overtones from the pulses (Fourier 
transform of spikes has LOTS of overtones,)  ...would make the coil go 
bang-bang at twice the lowest Shumann frequency.  And so on.  With 
sufficient input power, it could run at higher and higher harmonics, many 
hundreds Hz, where the spikes stayed in synch with the Earth waveguide, 
because the Earth waveguide is acting as the tank circuit of the overall 
"oscillator."  The huge sparks are the analogy for the transistor in a 
Hartley oscillator.   The Earth-waveguide delay becomes the RLC tank 
circuit of an oscillator.   But since it's a waveguide, not a 
coil-capacitor, it can run at any one of higher modes  ...multiples of the 
fundamental 8Hz.  There should be about a thousand different frequencies 
available (8Hz to 8KHz.)


Weird trivia: at colorado springs, the telescoping metal tower was sealed, 
and hollow.  One guy suspects that the airtight seal was used because 
Tesla pumped it down to a vacuum, by heating it up with water inside, then 
corking it off when the steam had driven out all the air.  (That's a 
paleolithic vacuum pump.  Ancients with glassblowing could have made 
vacuum tubes.)  That gives maybe 2% of one atmosphere, the vapor pressure 
of water at room temp.  But the guy didn't know why Tesla did this.  Put 
megavolt/nanosecond spikes on an iron pipe, after pumping a vacuum inside? 
Maybe there's some weird physics which nobody knows about, unless they've 
worked with hundred-megavolt RF in the gigahertz regime.  Which I expect 
is basically nobody since 1899.







I just thought that while I was at it, I could "steal" some 60hz grid 
juice. Using an open solenoid, you can fine tune the frequency by moving 
an iron rod in and out. It worked pretty well.


Old brainstorm:  a big neodyminum magnet, if wiggling in a vacuum chamber, 
is essentially a lossless resonator, like a superconductor.  Give it a 
whack, and what's the decay-rate of the wiggle?  Or if not lossless, then 
incredibly high Q, thousands of times higher than an oscillating copper 
coil.


So, if we spin a neodymium magnet in a vacuum, drive it up to 3600RPM 
...will it keep going by itself?  Any microwatts of ambient 60Hz field 
should drive it as an AC synchronous motor.  Shine 60Hz strobe-light on 
it, so you can see it not slowing down.


But instead we want a 60Hz dipole antenna.  So make two of these, placed 
five meters apart, to emulate an iron rod 5M long.  No, ten.  No, even 
more!  They'd act like a lossless ferrite rod many many meters long 
...wound with a 60Hz superconducting tank coil.


The power company thinks we cannot do any harm with "power theft" as long 
as we stay 100 ft away from a transmission line.  Now give them a 
one-tesla magnet, a few hundred feet long, with the fields synchronized so 
as to be like a resonant transformer-secondary.  (Pickup coils don't do 
any harm unless they're RESONANT pickup coils.  And even then, they're 
harmless as long as the Q is only hundreds.  What if effective Q is a 
million times higher?  What counter-voltage does it induce into the 
nearby power line?  That gives a hint to the wattage which can be stolen.)


No, I'm not gonna try this.   Let someone else get all the fame, and maybe 
the jail time.


Write an SF short story where the 60Hz grid was brought down by REALLY 
EFFECTIVE resonant power theft, thousands of remote farms using 
superconductor emulation based on fast-rotating neodymium slabs suspended 
in little bitty vacuum chambers.O the humanity.





Regards,

MSF



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billb at amasci com http://amasci.com
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Seattle, WA  206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci

Re: [Vo]:resonance

[Robin]

In reply to  MSF's message of Wed, 16 Jul 2025 23:10:26 +:
Hi Michael,

I was thinking along the lines of the cyclotron frequency of protons in the 
lower Van Allen belt. However strength of
the Earth's magnetic field is a bit variable, and stronger at the poles than 
over the equator, hence latitude dependent,
and the shape and thickness of the belt itself also somewhat variable. However 
a middle of the road frequency is on the
order of 700-800 Hz, so anything around there might be interesting, and also a 
little easier perhaps, when it comes to
components.
I also wonder how you managed to determine the local direction of the Earth's 
field at your location?

>
>
>
>
>
>Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>
>On Tuesday, July 15th, 2025 at 12:16 PM, Robin 
> wrote:
>
>> In reply to MSF's message of Tue, 15 Jul 2025 16:15:30 +:
>> Hi Michael ,
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you. :) BTW did you try a range of frequencies?
>
>No, I had such a tiny current from the "Shuman" frequency, that I wasn't sure 
>if it wasn't a measurement artifact. I used electrolytic capacitors on account 
>of the extremely low frequency because I didn't want make a huge coil. Given 
>the leaky nature of that type of capacitor, it would be hard to be sure of the 
>results. I tried to figure out some sort of phase-lock loop on account of the 
>variations in "Shuman", but that's way out of my wheelhouse. I'll bet William 
>Beaty could figure it out.
>
>I just thought that while I was at it, I could "steal" some 60hz grid juice. 
>Using an open solenoid, you can fine tune the frequency by moving an iron rod 
>in and out. It worked pretty well.
>
>Regards,
>
>MSF
Regards,

Robin van Spandonk


If you work from home, consider living out in the country, 
where houses can cost half the price or less than those in the city.

Re: [Vo]:resonance

[MSF]

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On Tuesday, July 15th, 2025 at 12:16 PM, Robin 
 wrote:

> In reply to MSF's message of Tue, 15 Jul 2025 16:15:30 +:
> Hi Michael ,
> 
> 
> Thank you. :) BTW did you try a range of frequencies?

No, I had such a tiny current from the "Shuman" frequency, that I wasn't sure 
if it wasn't a measurement artifact. I used electrolytic capacitors on account 
of the extremely low frequency because I didn't want make a huge coil. Given 
the leaky nature of that type of capacitor, it would be hard to be sure of the 
results. I tried to figure out some sort of phase-lock loop on account of the 
variations in "Shuman", but that's way out of my wheelhouse. I'll bet William 
Beaty could figure it out.

I just thought that while I was at it, I could "steal" some 60hz grid juice. 
Using an open solenoid, you can fine tune the frequency by moving an iron rod 
in and out. It worked pretty well.

Regards,

MSF

Re: [Vo]:resonance

[William Beaty]

On Tue, 15 Jul 2025, MSF wrote:

I did try this about 15 years ago. I does yield results, but pretty 
pathetic. And of course it should be renamed Tesla resonance, but as we 
all know he was ridiculed for suggesting it.


That was a lot of fun, but I got useful results from 60hz power line 
frequency, essentially an undetectable theft of a tiny amount of power 
from the grid.


The power-theft guy just posted a new YT video.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9yxtqesjlA

Not using transfomer, definitely no 60Hz RLC circuit.

The older one...

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDm00Ww6qE4

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William J. Beatyhttp://staff.washington.edu/wbeaty/
beaty, chem washington edu  Research Engineer
billb, amasci com   UW Chem Dept,  Bagley Hall RM74
x3-6195 Box 351700, Seattle, WA 98195-1700

Re: [Vo]:resonance

[William Beaty]

On Sun, 13 Jul 2025, Robin wrote:


1) wrap a coil around a strong magnet (or maybe just an Iron rod?), that is 
aligned with the Earth's magnetic field,
such that the Earth's field lines are concentrated in the body of the magnet 
(or Iron rod).
2) Attach a capacitor to the coil such the resonant frequency of the tank 
circuit matches the Schumann resonance.
3) See if any energy can be harvested from the circuit.


Tesla was working at 1KHz, sometimes 5KHz.  The Corums ran simulations 
with planetary Zenneck surface waves and supported this, also finding that 
10KHz and above was fairly useless, and above 30KHz insignificant.  Tesla 
said the same, discovered from experiment.  "Earth resonance" is a 1KHz 
phenomenon.  (Plus all the overtones of 11.8Hz, or of 8Hz if you prefer.)


So, just need to wind a 1KHz LC resonator, with extremely high Q.  Provide 
lots of side-taps, and add a series of low-loss 1uF capacitors.  I think 
you can get huge litz wire from cheap $10 induction cooker coils sold on 
eBay.  Also, low loss HV 0.33uF capacitors for induction cooker main tank 
circuit.


More practical would be to experiment with the Sutton Spaniol active VLF 
antenna, to verify the physics.  Never tried it myself.  Their trick is to 
make a perfect conductor by the same method as superregen radio:  add an 
active circuit for negative resistance, in parallel with the loop antenna, 
adjusted to cancel out the resistance of the coil and capacitor.  It's a 
DIY hobbyist superconductor resonator.  I did build one of these 
canceled-resistance inductors.  It acts just like a hall-effect sensor, 
since it integrates changes in magnetic flux (it linearly detects 
approaching magnets, just like an analog hall sensor does.  Use this as 
arrays, to build superconductor shield panels.  Weird battery-powered 
superconductor phenomenon.)


So, we must adjust our Sutton/spaniol antenna for stability while 
shielded, then remove shielding and see how large a wave appears.  It will 
SEEM to be unwanted oscillation. That's what conventional hobbyists would 
expect, and they'd simply ignore the results.  (Probably a gigantic 60Hz 
and 120Hz wave appears.  Ignore it as unwanted noise?  But what if you're 
actually seeing resonant power-theft, with significant wattage!)


But, if you intentionally built an "artificial" superconducting coil, then 
obtained some massive received signals, we should properly put it down 
to "mag 
loop" physics, and ascribe it to all the weird results seen with 
electrically small 
radio antennas having immense Q-factor.  (Heh, it's an infinite Q in this 
case, same as supercon loops.)  If any resonant RF signal impinges on the 
coil, a sine wave should 
start ramping up and up.  It will stop increasing as soon as the radiative 
losses from loop-antenna's transmission are equal to the incoming received 
signal.  Much like charging up a capacitor from ambient DC e-fields, but 
in this case it's the oscillatory analog.


The Corums say this doesn't work, because the sharp Earth-resonances 
wander around on a time scale of ~20 seconds.  So, you can never get the 
tuning of your resonator correct.   It would somehow have to track the 
moving planetary resonances in realtime.


But the Sutton-Spaniol "black hole antenna" includes a negative inductance 
circuit.   That way it behaves just like a tuned circuit, while also being 
broadband, and building up huge sine waves of any incoming frequency.


I think these weird VLF devices are ignored because if they show 
unexpected results, everyone insists that it's just self-oscillation, some 
sort of unexplained circuit-instability, and couldn't possibly be caused 
by the physics of high-Q receiving antennas.  (The situation is analogous 
to having a real FE device, but where it required batteries in order to 
produce the bizarre effect.  Nobody will believe that it's real, 
regardless of measurements.   The presence of a DC power supply is 
driving skeptics crazy.)


Heh, so just use a Sutton-Spaniol antenna to extract enough ambient VLF 
power that we can close-the-loop and power the several FET op-amp stages. 
Let the antenna-coil grow warm.  Plus a bank of light bulbs too?


PS

Tesla secrets, dunno if I put them here before...

1. an incandescent light bulb will light up when held near a Tesla coil. 
Even a BD-10 hand-held "violet ray" T.C. can light a tungsten bulb via 
ionic impact (it's "Tesla carbon button" mode.)  But the bulb must contain 
hard vacuum, no argon gas.  Aquarium bulbs and lectern bulbs are that 
type.  So are the 7.5W and 15W "golf ball" incandescent lamps.


In other words, when Tesla plugs a huge light-bulb into the Colorado 
Springs dirt (in that Beograd Tesla movie,)  that easily could have been 
real.  But you'd need a pre-1930s antique light bulb, if you wanted to try 
it today.


2. I recently realized that the secondary of a Tesla coil is also a 
microwave resonator.  The stack of windings is a dielectric transmission 
line, a 

Re: [Vo]:resonance

[Robin]

In reply to  MSF's message of Tue, 15 Jul 2025 16:15:30 +:
Hi Michael ,


Thank you. :) BTW did you try a range of frequencies?
[snip]
>I did try this about 15 years ago. I does yield results, but pretty pathetic. 
>And of course it should be renamed Tesla resonance, but as we all know he was 
>ridiculed for suggesting it.
>
>That was a lot of fun, but I got useful results from 60hz power line 
>frequency, essentially an undetectable theft of a tiny amount of power from 
>the grid. 
>
>
>MSF
>
>
>
>On Saturday, July 12th, 2025 at 4:13 PM, Robin 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Something I have always wished someone else would try. :)
>> 
>> 1) wrap a coil around a strong magnet (or maybe just an Iron rod?), that is 
>> aligned with the Earth's magnetic field,
>> such that the Earth's field lines are concentrated in the body of the magnet 
>> (or Iron rod).
>> 2) Attach a capacitor to the coil such the resonant frequency of the tank 
>> circuit matches the Schumann resonance.
>> 3) See if any energy can be harvested from the circuit.
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Robin van Spaandonk
>> 
>> Drive your electric car every second day and recharge it from solar panels, 
>> on the roof of your home, on the alternate days.
>> The other days, drive your spouses car, and do the same with it.
>> "Charge when the Sun shines".
Regards,

Robin van Spandonk


If you work from home, consider living out in the country, 
where houses can cost half the price or less than those in the city.

Re: [Vo]:resonance

[MSF]

I did try this about 15 years ago. I does yield results, but pretty pathetic. 
And of course it should be renamed Tesla resonance, but as we all know he was 
ridiculed for suggesting it.

That was a lot of fun, but I got useful results from 60hz power line frequency, 
essentially an undetectable theft of a tiny amount of power from the grid. 


MSF



On Saturday, July 12th, 2025 at 4:13 PM, Robin 
 wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Something I have always wished someone else would try. :)
> 
> 1) wrap a coil around a strong magnet (or maybe just an Iron rod?), that is 
> aligned with the Earth's magnetic field,
> such that the Earth's field lines are concentrated in the body of the magnet 
> (or Iron rod).
> 2) Attach a capacitor to the coil such the resonant frequency of the tank 
> circuit matches the Schumann resonance.
> 3) See if any energy can be harvested from the circuit.
> Regards,
> 
> Robin van Spaandonk
> 
> Drive your electric car every second day and recharge it from solar panels, 
> on the roof of your home, on the alternate days.
> The other days, drive your spouses car, and do the same with it.
> "Charge when the Sun shines".

[Vo]:resonance

[Robin]

Hi,

Something I have always wished someone else would try. :)

1) wrap a coil around a strong magnet (or maybe just an Iron rod?), that is 
aligned with the Earth's magnetic field,
such that the Earth's field lines are concentrated in the body of the magnet 
(or Iron rod). 
2) Attach a capacitor to the coil such the resonant frequency of the tank 
circuit matches the Schumann resonance. 
3) See if any energy can be harvested from the circuit.
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

Drive your electric car every second day and recharge it from solar panels, on 
the roof of your home, on the alternate days.
The other days, drive your spouses car, and do the same with it.
"Charge when the Sun shines".

RE: [Vo]:Resonance in a ceramic tube reactor

[Jones Beene]

From: JROVNAK 

 

Two things puzzle me still about resonance i.e. Local glow & its 2 to 15
hertz cycling during testing on MFMP test - Also videos & burn outs of fuel
elements under fuzzy logic PID control &  stable (ssm) with no control
inputs at all experienced & also reported by Rossi to exist in his current
product development.

 

https://twitter.com/JAROVNAK/status/613394722762158080

 

Jim

 

Is this information available for those of us without a twitter account?

 

This sounds like Schumann resonances. In fact, there are a number of
experiments where results could be tied to ostensibly unrelated large scale
external phenomena - sunspots and so on.

 

 

Re: [Vo]:Resonance in a ceramic tube reactor

[Peter Gluck]

Thanks for this answer!
Peter

On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:

>  From Peter Gluck’s blog
>
>  *"Identifying the Problem is a crucial step"*
>
>  There’s been discussion about resonance, coherence and cavity
> oscillators in the context of the Hot-Cat. The related question is
> whether the ceramic tube is required for some unknown reason, and if so –
> can it can be optimized by geometry? Obviously, thermal stability is one
> benefit of ceramics. Since Rossi has used at least three different form
> factors with the Hot-Cat, and the claimed COP has gone down instead of up
> - according to his own statements – he may have downplayed the issue of 
> resonance
> (due to cavity oscillation) as being harder to control at high temperature
> .
>
> But there could be a place for a resonant reactor design in a lower
> temperature regime. One detail worth noting, in the design of any
> hydrogen reactor when the goal is achieving resonance, is identifying the
> kind of resonance. It would be a mistake to assume that only EM resonance is 
> the
> answer to the problem. Phonon resonance is arguably more important in
> LENR - the entire subfield of sonofusion is built on phonon resonance. 
> Magnetic
> waves will be assumed to be a subset of phonon resonance.
>
> It would be ideal to match up the two– phonon (magnon) and photon
> wavelengths – and arrive at a resonant standing wave design which is
> mutually reinforcing. In fact, the general size of these reactors is one
> of the few possible ranges where EM waves and sound waves can reasonably
> share a common wavelength – and there is one candidate that stands out – 21
> cm. Larger and smaller geometries are harder to match.
>
> One way to think about this is by example. Let’s say we want to exploit a
> known resonance level for hydrogen. The ultimate goal doesn’t need to be
> fusion, necessarily, and we should assume that protons in resonance can
> better achieve thermal gain in several different ways – such as through
> manipulation of electron angular momentum, or the zero point field, or
> sequential Lamb shift (QED), or QCD mass depletion of gluons, etc. (the
> usual suspects).
>
> The most notable resonant wavelength for hydrogen is 21 cm- the Universe
> is bathed in microwaves of this and similar frequencies – the CMB. With
> this glaring fact all around us, it could be no accident that the axial
> dimension of the E-Cats is in this range. Is that merely luck, or was it
> planned that way?
>
> In the case of the Lugano device, we should be more likely to achieve EM
> resonance for hydrogen if a larger diameter tube was to be implemented (say
> quarter wavelength, or 5.25 cm.) The “pre-Lugano” hot cat was indeed  in
> this diameter range and also had a higher claimed COP. Why change?
> (possible answer: going smaller to avoid runaway)
>
>
> *http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-XuKgtxpqL9U/UYQSyPJP-OI/JYI/96mRUBJjs1w/s1600/hot-cat.JPG*
> 
>
> This 21 cm wavelength corresponds to GHz photon radiation (1420 MHz) but 
> apparently
> no one has seen this kind of radiation in the Lugano or other similar 
> experiments.
> GHz radiation would promote the Lamb shift, which is one of several ways
> that thermal gain could enter the system. Any competent research team
> would have looked for GHz because of the negative health issues – and we
> can be fairly certain none was seen or used, since at any rate, alumina
> will not contain or reflect microwaves in this range.
>
> One of the most respected physicists to support cold fusion was Julian
> Schwinger, whose name is associated with the Lamb Shift and QED.
> Microwaves would be ideal to maximize a sequential Lamb shift spin-flip
> reaction, in a hydrogen reactor, but curiously – have not been considered
> relevant in the past, since the energy per “flip” is very low - and the
> reverse reaction may not be asymmetric in a closed loop system.
>
> Few theorists have reasoned that a "ringing-Lamb-shift" which would be
> happening at THz frequency and is asymmetric – powered by the zero point
> field – is feasible, since it is a different beast from fusion – the
> default assumption. However, the net energy derived spin-flipping could
> be substantial - even larger than "normal" nuclear energy since there is
> no dependence on the mass of reactants. Several prominent names turn up
> in LENR history for past advocacy of a Lamb shift modality, instead of
> fusion, but it is a definite minority view.
>
> In a future post, it will be shown that the same 21 cm wavelength for
> hydrogen photon emission due to spin flipping can be achieved at an
> ultrasonic frequency for phonons. This ultrasound would be in the 25kHz to
> 50 KHz range (predicated by the speed of sound in the media). In the
> simplest case, this frequency is available using SCRs… which can be seen in
> many Rossi photos. Coincidental?
>
> All of this leads

[Vo]:Resonance in a ceramic tube reactor

[Jones Beene]

>From Peter Gluck's blog

"Identifying the Problem is a crucial step"

There's been discussion about resonance, coherence and cavity oscillators in
the context of the Hot-Cat. The related question is whether the ceramic tube
is required for some unknown reason, and if so - can it can be optimized by
geometry? Obviously, thermal stability is one benefit of ceramics. Since
Rossi has used at least three different form factors with the Hot-Cat, and
the claimed COP has gone down instead of up - according to his own
statements - he may have downplayed the issue of resonance (due to cavity
oscillation) as being harder to control at high temperature.

But there could be a place for a resonant reactor design in a lower
temperature regime. One detail worth noting, in the design of any hydrogen
reactor when the goal is achieving resonance, is identifying the kind of
resonance. It would be a mistake to assume that only EM resonance is the
answer to the problem. Phonon resonance is arguably more important in LENR -
the entire subfield of sonofusion is built on phonon resonance. Magnetic
waves will be assumed to be a subset of phonon resonance.

It would be ideal to match up the two- phonon (magnon) and photon
wavelengths - and arrive at a resonant standing wave design which is
mutually reinforcing. In fact, the general size of these reactors is one of
the few possible ranges where EM waves and sound waves can reasonably share
a common wavelength - and there is one candidate that stands out - 21 cm.
Larger and smaller geometries are harder to match.

One way to think about this is by example. Let's say we want to exploit a
known resonance level for hydrogen. The ultimate goal doesn't need to be
fusion, necessarily, and we should assume that protons in resonance can
better achieve thermal gain in several different ways - such as through
manipulation of electron angular momentum, or the zero point field, or
sequential Lamb shift (QED), or QCD mass depletion of gluons, etc. (the
usual suspects). 

The most notable resonant wavelength for hydrogen is 21 cm- the Universe is
bathed in microwaves of this and similar frequencies - the CMB. With this
glaring fact all around us, it could be no accident that the axial dimension
of the E-Cats is in this range. Is that merely luck, or was it planned that
way?

In the case of the Lugano device, we should be more likely to achieve EM
resonance for hydrogen if a larger diameter tube was to be implemented (say
quarter wavelength, or 5.25 cm.) The "pre-Lugano" hot cat was indeed  in
this diameter range and also had a higher claimed COP. Why change? (possible
answer: going smaller to avoid runaway) 
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-XuKgtxpqL9U/UYQSyPJP-OI/JYI/96mRUBJjs1w/s1
600/hot-cat.JPG

This 21 cm wavelength corresponds to GHz photon radiation (1420 MHz) but
apparently no one has seen this kind of radiation in the Lugano or other
similar experiments. GHz radiation would promote the Lamb shift, which is
one of several ways that thermal gain could enter the system. Any competent
research team would have looked for GHz because of the negative health
issues - and we can be fairly certain none was seen or used, since at any
rate, alumina will not contain or reflect microwaves in this range.

One of the most respected physicists to support cold fusion was Julian
Schwinger, whose name is associated with the Lamb Shift and QED. Microwaves
would be ideal to maximize a sequential Lamb shift spin-flip reaction, in a
hydrogen reactor, but curiously - have not been considered relevant in the
past, since the energy per "flip" is very low - and the reverse reaction may
not be asymmetric in a closed loop system. 

Few theorists have reasoned that a "ringing-Lamb-shift" which would be
happening at THz frequency and is asymmetric - powered by the zero point
field - is feasible, since it is a different beast from fusion - the default
assumption. However, the net energy derived spin-flipping could be
substantial - even larger than "normal" nuclear energy since there is no
dependence on the mass of reactants. Several prominent names turn up in LENR
history for past advocacy of a Lamb shift modality, instead of fusion, but
it is a definite minority view. 

In a future post, it will be shown that the same 21 cm wavelength for
hydrogen photon emission due to spin flipping can be achieved at an
ultrasonic frequency for phonons. This ultrasound would be in the 25kHz to
50 KHz range (predicated by the speed of sound in the media). In the
simplest case, this frequency is available using SCRs. which can be seen in
many Rossi photos. Coincidental?

All of this leads in to the question of the day for revisionist LENR theory.
If 21 cm radiation can be shown to stimulate an asymmetric Lamb shift, can
phonon (magnon) waves of the same wavelength do the same stimulation with no
photon component? Or alternatively, why not use a steel sleeve and heat the
reactor internally with low power 1420 MHz radiation (tens of watt

Re: [Vo]:Resonance

[Harry Veeder]

I have suggested a few times that is might prove useful to model cold
fusion processes using liquid drops. Liquid drop models  of nuclear
fission  were helpful in the the early years of fission research.
Although in the case of cold fusion I think the drops should be
treated as non-newtonian fluids.


Harry

On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:
> This looks like a macroscopic demo of the pilot wave theory of quantum
> mechanics as demonstrated by John Bush at MIT.
>
> SEE:
>
> Can fluid dynamics offer insights into quantum mechanics?
>
> http://www.physorg.com/news/2010-10-fluid-dynamics-insights-quantum-mechanics.html
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Robert Leguillon
>  wrote:
>>
>> I'd never seen the website before; thanks for the introduction.
>>
>> > Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 07:26:33 -0500
>> > From: hohlr...@gmail.com
>> > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
>> > Subject: [Vo]:Resonance
>>
>> >
>> > Some interesting items on the subject PLUS and ad for Rossi's Clic
>> > glasses:
>> >
>> >
>> > http://forgetomori.com/2011/science/colored-vibrating-sand-buddhist-singing-bowls-and-levitating-megaliths/
>> >
>> > T
>> >
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Resonance

[Axil Axil]

This looks like a macroscopic demo of the pilot wave theory of quantum
mechanics
as demonstrated by John Bush at MIT.

SEE:
Can fluid dynamics offer insights into quantum mechanics?

http://www.physorg.com/news/2010-10-fluid-dynamics-insights-quantum-mechanics.html


On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Robert Leguillon <
robert.leguil...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>  I'd never seen the website before; thanks for the introduction.
>
> > Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 07:26:33 -0500
> > From: hohlr...@gmail.com
> > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> > Subject: [Vo]:Resonance
>
> >
> > Some interesting items on the subject PLUS and ad for Rossi's Clic
> glasses:
> >
> >
> http://forgetomori.com/2011/science/colored-vibrating-sand-buddhist-singing-bowls-and-levitating-megaliths/
> >
> > T
> >
>

RE: [Vo]:Resonance

[Robert Leguillon]

I'd never seen the website before; thanks for the introduction.
 

> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 07:26:33 -0500
> From: hohlr...@gmail.com
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Subject: [Vo]:Resonance
> 
> Some interesting items on the subject PLUS and ad for Rossi's Clic glasses:
> 
> http://forgetomori.com/2011/science/colored-vibrating-sand-buddhist-singing-bowls-and-levitating-megaliths/
> 
> T
> 
  

[Vo]:Resonance

[Terry Blanton]

Some interesting items on the subject PLUS and ad for Rossi's Clic glasses:

http://forgetomori.com/2011/science/colored-vibrating-sand-buddhist-singing-bowls-and-levitating-megaliths/

T