On Feb 25, 2011, at 1:11 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Lots of people feel that way, and are doing similar experiments. As
far as I know, Brian Ahern is leading the pack. Ask him for some of
his material.
He was one of these people who made a large impact at ICCF-16
without being there.
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
What impact did Brian Ahern make on ICCF-16? There was no paper of his
presented, at least not in the abstracts. Was it talk regarding his
Pd-Ni-Zr oxide composite “PNZ2B” used by Kitamura1 et al?
Mainly that. That was presented by Kitamura.
harry wrote:
If the premises of the other side not understood or recognised then it may
seem
illogical.
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Premises? No, just simple definitions.
They're using well accepted and understood terms, and the definitions of
those well understood terms simply rule out
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
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Subject: Re: [Vo]:Hidden wire hypothesis redux
Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com wrote:
evidence is not relevant in this case; only if they can show that
fixed-geometry systems
Jed and Stephen,
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On 02/25/2011 09:19 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
Jed Rothwell wrote:
The worst
Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com wrote:
evidence is not relevant in this case; only if they can show that
fixed-geometry systems with an electrostatic charge spontaneously warm
up can they claim that something is doing work.
That is like saying it can't be cold fusion because
there are
On 02/27/2011 08:55 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
Jed and Stephen,
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On 02/25/2011 09:19 PM, Harry Veeder
On 02/25/2011 09:19 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
Jed Rothwell wrote:
The worst example was the Correa claim that a stationary gold leaf
electroscope
does work. No, it doesn't! It isn't a little guy standing with his arms out.
He claimed to have electrical evidence that a
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
I need to point out
that a solenoid with movable core which is holding a lever in position
-- say, for instance, holding the little man's arms in position (the
little man is a robot in that case) is also *NOT* doing work despite
the fact that it's
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
The assertion that a determined con artist can do this or that
strikes me as inadequate. A con artist is not a magician capable of
changing the laws of physics or magically influencing instruments.
Uh, Jed, a con artist is indeed a magician, that is, someone
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From: Jed Rothwell ..Subject: Re: [Vo]:Hidden wire hypothesis redux
... Here is an example of an experiment that could be faked. Dennis
Cravens
proposed to use Pd-D powder to produce heat inside a thermoelectric device
that would light
Dennis wrote:
Jed, thanks for the compliment... I think
It was a compliment. My point about that proposed experiment was that it
was not a good means of convincing skeptical people. That many not
matter. No experiment can accomplish every goal. The LED experiment
would be fascinating
Lots of people feel that way, and are doing similar experiments. As far
as I know, Brian Ahern is leading the pack. Ask him for some of his
material.
He was one of these people who made a large impact at ICCF-16 without
being there. He told me he will never go to India .. - Jed
At 04:07 PM 2/25/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
The assertion that a determined con artist
can do this or that strikes me as inadequate.
A con artist is not a magician capable of
changing the laws of physics or magically influencing instruments.
Uh, Jed, a con artist
Dennis wrote:
Yes, it would be hard to fake much over 1kW... wall plugs being what
they are,
gauge of wires being what they are. (unless you used part of the
plumbing as
your current carrier).
Ah! That's one I hadn't thought of.
So it is becoming very interesting -if you believe
any
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
There have been dramatic demonstrations, I've read about them, but I
don't care to look them up. I'm simply going to assert that, given
enough motivation, I could fake a demonstration like that reported.
I'd have to have the motivation, and I certainly don't. I'm not
At 06:20 PM 2/25/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Impossible. Until someone can propose a plausible a way to fake the
two Rossi demos, I will consider that impossible. Without specifics,
the claim that it might be faked cannot be tested or falsified.
Why does this sound so familiar?
Until someone
At 05:37 PM 2/25/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Dennis wrote:
Yes, it would be hard to fake much over 1kW... wall plugs being
what they are,
gauge of wires being what they are. (unless you used part of the plumbing as
your current carrier).
Ah! That's one I hadn't thought of.
This is my
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
Why does this sound so familiar?
Until someone can propose a plausible mechanism that will explain cold
fusion, I will consider it impossible.
Wrong comparison. The comparison you should make is:
Until someone can prove otherwise, I am sure
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
Ah! That's one I hadn't thought of.
This is my point, there may be a million things you haven't thought of.
Nope. That does not work. A good experiment cannot have a million possible
problems. If we had to think up a million ways that an
Jed Rothwell wrote:
The worst example was the Correa claim that a stationary gold leaf
electroscope
does work. No, it doesn't! It isn't a little guy standing with his arms out.
He claimed to have electrical evidence that a stationary gold leaf electroscope
does work.
I assume your
Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com wrote:
He claimed to have electrical evidence that a stationary gold leaf
electroscope
does work.
For the audience: this means it performs work. (The English it does work
is confusing, as it could mean it does what it is supposed to do.)
I assume your
I wrote:
In an experiment with only 4 main parameters -- input power, inlet
temperature, outlet temperature and flow rate -- the number of potential
significant errors will BE small, and so will the number of ways
deliberately fake data can be surreptitiously introduced.
This is a bit like
At 08:45 PM 2/25/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
Why does this sound so familiar?
Until someone can propose a plausible mechanism that will explain
cold fusion, I will consider it impossible.
Wrong comparison. The
At 09:07 PM 2/25/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
Ah! That's one I hadn't thought of.
This is my point, there may be a million things you haven't thought of.
Nope. That does not work. A good experiment cannot have a million
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
That's correct. It would take a magician familiar with physics, perhaps.
Certainly that would be the case here. Ordinarily, magicians can fool
physicists about as well as they can fool anyone else.
No doubt they can, but they cannot fool
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
With a single report, lots of opportunities exist for error or, yes, fraud.
With many reports, and especially with independent confirmations . . .
This is not a single report. People have done flow calorimetry millions of
times.
Seriously,
At 10:34 AM 2/24/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Rich Murray mailto:rmfor...@gmail.comrmfor...@gmail.com wrote:
During a long meditation today, I wondered about the floor under
Rossi's demo -- is there a space under it that could allow wires or
thin metal tapes to carry 15 KW electric power from
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
I'm not understanding how one would need 130 KW to get, what was it, a
10 KW demo?
It produced 130 kW for a while. QUOTE:
Initially, the temperature of the inflowing water was seven degrees
Celsius and for a while the outlet temperature was 40 degrees Celsius. A
Note that when the machine initially started up, it had ~80 W input, a liter
per second flow, and the outlet temperature was 40°C. This continued for a
while. I take that to mean long enough for someone to put his hand on the
outlet pipe to confirm that the tap water was coming out at body
At 05:09 PM 2/24/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
The assertion that a determined con artist can do this or that
strikes me as inadequate. A con artist is not a magician capable of
changing the laws of physics or magically influencing instruments.
Uh, Jed, a con artist is indeed a magician, that
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