Re: [Vo]:Re: Regarding Rossi and NASA (+ some Piantelli news)

2011-09-29 Thread Horace Heffner
On Sep 28, 2011, at 12:20 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: Rizzi sez: ... I think that the end of the hoax is approaching. I doubt we are witnessing a hoax, though it's possible I am in error. Another thought came to mind in regards to the megawatt reactor design: Why for their

Re: [Vo]:Re: Regarding Rossi and NASA (+ some Piantelli news)

2011-09-29 Thread Man on Bridges
Hi, On 29-9-2011 8:27, Horace Heffner wrote: Looking at the other side of the coin, the probability of catastrophic failure, suppose there is a 0.1% chance per hour one of the E-cats can blow up spreading steam throughout the container. There is thus a 0.999 probability of success, i.e. no

RE: [Vo]:Re: Regarding Rossi and NASA (+ some Piantelli news)

2011-09-29 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From MoB: ... Looking even a bit more closer again this would mean that if the chance of explosion is 0.1% per hour then the chance of explosion is 2,77e-7 per second at any given moment for a single Ecat, which would result for 52 Ecats into 1-((2,77e-7)^52) = 0,134 or 0,00144% at

Re: [Vo]:Re: Regarding Rossi and NASA (+ some Piantelli news)

2011-09-29 Thread Man on Bridges
Hi, Oeps, the commas must be periods so this should of course be red as: Me thinks you are wrong. Your statistical probability calculation is based upon the fact that the chance of a single Ecat exploding is influenced by it's behaviour earlier, which of course is not true. Statistically

RE: [Vo]:Re: Regarding Rossi and NASA (+ some Piantelli news)

2011-09-29 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Rizzi sez: Guys, the dream is over. It’s time to wake up. It's been my experience that the harder I try to convince others as to the correctness of my opinion, the more obvious it becomes to others as to whom I'm really trying to convince. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com

Re: [Vo]:Re: Regarding Rossi and NASA (+ some Piantelli news)

2011-09-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Man on Bridges manonbrid...@aim.com wrote: Statistically each Ecat has it's own independent chance of explosion at any given moment which does not change over time. I believe that is incorrect. Boiler explosions are caused by the overall temperatures and pressures of the machine. When a

Re: [Vo]:Re: Regarding Rossi and NASA (+ some Piantelli news)

2011-09-29 Thread ecat builder
There is NO evidence that Rossi's newer generation E-Cats have ever or will ever explode. Rossi has maintained that in the event that they melt down that they simply stop producing heat. If you happen to be on Rossi's invitation to see his 1MW plant, by all means take whatever precautions you

Re: [Vo]:Re: Regarding Rossi and NASA (+ some Piantelli news)

2011-09-29 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From ecat builder: There is NO evidence that Rossi's newer generation E-Cats have ever or will ever explode. The concerns I've seen raised do not necessarily have anything to do with Rossi's reactor cores - whether they work or don't, or are likely to explode. The concerns I've seen raised

Re: [Vo]:Re: Regarding Rossi and NASA (+ some Piantelli news)

2011-09-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
ecat builder ecatbuil...@gmail.com wrote: There is NO evidence that Rossi's newer generation E-Cats have ever or will ever explode. Anything that produces steam can explode. Wet coal, for example, is very dangerous. If you happen to be on Rossi's invitation to see his 1MW plant, by all

Re: [Vo]:Re: Regarding Rossi and NASA (+ some Piantelli news)

2011-09-29 Thread Man on Bridges
Hi, On 29-9-2011 16:28, Jed Rothwell wrote: Man on Bridges manonbrid...@aim.com mailto:manonbrid...@aim.com wrote: Statistically each Ecat has it's own independent chance of explosion at any given moment which does not change over time. I believe that is incorrect. Boiler explosions

Re: [Vo]:Re: Regarding Rossi and NASA (+ some Piantelli news)

2011-09-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: The concerns I've seen raised have far more to do with the delicate management of a whole lot of highly pressurized steam - a megawatt's worth of steam. Ladies and gentlemen, please don't try this at home! Exactly. That is what experts have been telling

Re: [Vo]:Re: Regarding Rossi and NASA (+ some Piantelli news)

2011-09-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Man on Bridges manonbrid...@aim.com wrote: In 1906, the Wrights knew *far* more about aerodynamics and the physics of flight than anyone else in the world. They should have concentrated on what they knew best, leaving other details to other experts. It was a waste of time for them to work on

Re: [Vo]:Re: Regarding Rossi and NASA (+ some Piantelli news)

2011-09-29 Thread Horace Heffner
On Sep 29, 2011, at 4:02 AM, Man on Bridges wrote: Hi, On 29-9-2011 8:27, Horace Heffner wrote: Looking at the other side of the coin, the probability of catastrophic failure, suppose there is a 0.1% chance per hour one of the E-cats can blow up spreading steam throughout the container.

Re: [Vo]:Re: Regarding Rossi and NASA (+ some Piantelli news)

2011-09-29 Thread Axil Axil
The failure of one module of the Rossi 1 MW reactor will not cause the entire 1 MW reactor to fail. Its performance will only degrade gracefully. When the core of the module overheats or melts, the surface of the nickel nanopowder will fail before the nanopowder enclosure will fail since the

Re: [Vo]:Re: Regarding Rossi and NASA (+ some Piantelli news)

2011-09-29 Thread Horace Heffner
The sentence below: This is totally consistent with the probability of failure in one E-cat in one hour being 5%. should read: This is totally consistent with the probability of failure of at least one E- cat (of 52) in one hour being 5%. On Sep 29, 2011, at 11:34 AM, Horace Heffner wrote:

Re: [Vo]:Re: Regarding Rossi and NASA (+ some Piantelli news)

2011-09-29 Thread Horace Heffner
If you look at my text you will see I wrote catastrophic failure not just failure. This means an E-cat blows up spreading steam throughout the container, injuring anyone present, and preventing access to the container, causing the test to fail. I think I was clear on this point. I did

Re: [Vo]:Re: Regarding Rossi and NASA (+ some Piantelli news)

2011-09-29 Thread Horace Heffner
On Sep 29, 2011, at 4:37 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: From MoB: ... Looking even a bit more closer again this would mean that if the chance of explosion is 0.1% per hour then the chance of explosion is 2,77e-7 per second at any given moment for a single Ecat, which would

Re: [Vo]:Re: Regarding Rossi and NASA (+ some Piantelli news)

2011-09-28 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Rizzi sez: ... I think that the end of the hoax is approaching. I doubt we are witnessing a hoax, though it's possible I am in error. Another thought came to mind in regards to the megawatt reactor design: Why for their first generation of products are they building a 1 MW module? Many have