Re: [Vo]:Repeatable COP of ~1.5 seems to be reported by many

[Jonathan Berry]

Could it be as Sabine says?

https://youtu.be/TEzsBhJTgpc?t=219

Hydrogenation?

I haven't looked at this device so if that's a silly idea nevermind.



On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 at 08:32, Jones Beene  wrote:

> The interesting point is that despite lack of market value for the tech,
> it seems to actually violate long standing physical laws plus there seems
> to be an intrinsic window where the actual gain is around 50 percent over
> input
>
> The heat pump, in contrast,  merely taps environmental heat and there is
> no physical anomaly
>
> This situation is somewhat like the Griggs pump scenario of many decades
> ago...
>
> ... in that there apparently is a real anomaly but only a small market for
> low grade heat
>
> To my knowledge, the cavitation tech and real gain of Griggs has never
> been debunked
>
>
>   Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
>
> Nicholas Palmer  wrote:
>
> If it can only manage a COP of 1.5-2.5, it's not as effective  as a heat
> pump...
>
> Yes. 1.5 has no practical use. Still, 50 W excess is good because it can
> be measured with confidence. I think they said the results are
> "consistent." If they can make it happen every time, "consistently" with
> about the same magnitude, then I would say it is important progress.
>
> One of the articles says it is not ready for practical applications yet. I
> suppose they realize that 100 W in, 150 W out has no useful applications.
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Repeatable COP of ~1.5 seems to be reported by many

[Axil Axil]

Rossi will demo an onboard 3 KW overunity EV battery charging system in
October. Here is Rossi's LENR theory www.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/330601653_E-Cat_SK_and_long_range_particle_interactions
   IMO, what Rossi calls electron clusters are actually an
Exciton-polariton condensate. Disregard Zitterbewegung in cluster
formation. Upon termination, the condensates Bosenova produces the high
energy electron output that produces direct current output. Fusion is not
involved. The nuclear energy comes from extremely intense magnetic effects
on the quarks in matter that disrupt the strong force producing a Quark
Gluon plasma. These magnetic effects come from 10e21 spin=1 particles
(electron dressed photons) in the condensate.

On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 9:32 PM H L V  wrote:

> The (astro)physicist Sabine Hossenfelder discusses the claim on her
> channel.
> She has 1.4 million subscribers.
> https://youtu.be/TEzsBhJTgpc
>
> harry
>
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 3:42 PM Jed Rothwell 
> wrote:
>
>> Andrew Meulenberg  wrote:
>>
>> At low external temperatures, many heat pump systems switch over to ohmic
>>> heating.
>>>
>>
>> I had one that did that at ~40 deg F, here in Atlanta. Which is not very
>> cold. I think more modern ones go lower. An online source says they go down
>> to 25 deg F.
>>
>> Mine did not have an ohmic heater. It had a conventional natural gas
>> furnace. An auxiliary furnace. The cheapest model available, because it was
>> not used often. I think that is the normal configuration.
>>
>> (Actually, I had two heat pumps for reasons beyond the scope of the
>> discussion. Still have one.)
>>
>>
>>   Do they turn off the heat pump or do they heat the input to the pump?
>>>
>>
>> The heat pump definitely goes off. I could see the outdoor compressor
>> stop. The conventional heater takes over.
>>
>>

Re: [Vo]:Repeatable COP of ~1.5 seems to be reported by many

[H L V]

The (astro)physicist Sabine Hossenfelder discusses the claim on her channel.
She has 1.4 million subscribers.
https://youtu.be/TEzsBhJTgpc

harry

On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 3:42 PM Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Andrew Meulenberg  wrote:
>
> At low external temperatures, many heat pump systems switch over to ohmic
>> heating.
>>
>
> I had one that did that at ~40 deg F, here in Atlanta. Which is not very
> cold. I think more modern ones go lower. An online source says they go down
> to 25 deg F.
>
> Mine did not have an ohmic heater. It had a conventional natural gas
> furnace. An auxiliary furnace. The cheapest model available, because it was
> not used often. I think that is the normal configuration.
>
> (Actually, I had two heat pumps for reasons beyond the scope of the
> discussion. Still have one.)
>
>
>   Do they turn off the heat pump or do they heat the input to the pump?
>>
>
> The heat pump definitely goes off. I could see the outdoor compressor
> stop. The conventional heater takes over.
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Repeatable COP of ~1.5 seems to be reported by many

[Jed Rothwell]

Andrew Meulenberg  wrote:

At low external temperatures, many heat pump systems switch over to ohmic
> heating.
>

I had one that did that at ~40 deg F, here in Atlanta. Which is not very
cold. I think more modern ones go lower. An online source says they go down
to 25 deg F.

Mine did not have an ohmic heater. It had a conventional natural gas
furnace. An auxiliary furnace. The cheapest model available, because it was
not used often. I think that is the normal configuration.

(Actually, I had two heat pumps for reasons beyond the scope of the
discussion. Still have one.)


  Do they turn off the heat pump or do they heat the input to the pump?
>

The heat pump definitely goes off. I could see the outdoor compressor stop.
The conventional heater takes over.

Re: [Vo]:Repeatable COP of ~1.5 seems to be reported by many

[Andrew Meulenberg]

At low external temperatures, many heat pump systems switch over to ohmic
heating.  Do they turn off the heat pump or do they heat the input to the
pump? Either way, using a CF source (w COP of 1.5) *and* its output could
be useful, if it were both cheap and reliable enough.

On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 3:32 PM Jones Beene  wrote:

> The interesting point is that despite lack of market value for the tech,
> it seems to actually violate long standing physical laws plus there seems
> to be an intrinsic window where the actual gain is around 50 percent over
> input
>
> The heat pump, in contrast,  merely taps environmental heat and there is
> no physical anomaly
>
> This situation is somewhat like the Griggs pump scenario of many decades
> ago...
>
> ... in that there apparently is a real anomaly but only a small market for
> low grade heat
>
> To my knowledge, the cavitation tech and real gain of Griggs has never
> been debunked
>
>
>   Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
>
> Nicholas Palmer  wrote:
>
> If it can only manage a COP of 1.5-2.5, it's not as effective  as a heat
> pump...
>
> Yes. 1.5 has no practical use. Still, 50 W excess is good because it can
> be measured with confidence. I think they said the results are
> "consistent." If they can make it happen every time, "consistently" with
> about the same magnitude, then I would say it is important progress.
>
> One of the articles says it is not ready for practical applications yet. I
> suppose they realize that 100 W in, 150 W out has no useful applications.
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Repeatable COP of ~1.5 seems to be reported by many

[Jed Rothwell]

Jones Beene  wrote:


> To my knowledge, the cavitation tech and real gain of Griggs has never
> been debunked
>

Indeed, Huang offers strong support for Griggs, with a much larger
reaction, a larger output to input ratio, and far better reliability.

https://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/HuangBJwatercantr.pdf

>

Re: [Vo]:Repeatable COP of ~1.5 seems to be reported by many

[Nicholas Palmer]

Of course. A  robust fully demonstrable 1.5 - 2.5 COP gain would be a Holy
Grail moment to demonstrate that new physics is involved - I'm not decrying
it, just the commercial potential...

On Fri, 19 Jul 2024, 21:23 Jones Beene,  wrote:

> The interesting point is that despite lack of market value for the tech,
> it seems to actually violate long standing physical laws plus there seems
> to be an intrinsic window where the actual gain is around 50 percent over
> input
>
> The heat pump, in contrast,  merely taps environmental heat and there is
> no physical anomaly
>
> This situation is somewhat like the Griggs pump scenario of many decades
> ago...
>
> ... in that there apparently is a real anomaly but only a small market for
> low grade heat
>
> To my knowledge, the cavitation tech and real gain of Griggs has never
> been debunked
>
>
>   Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
>
> Nicholas Palmer  wrote:
>
> If it can only manage a COP of 1.5-2.5, it's not as effective  as a heat
> pump...
>
> Yes. 1.5 has no practical use. Still, 50 W excess is good because it can
> be measured with confidence. I think they said the results are
> "consistent." If they can make it happen every time, "consistently" with
> about the same magnitude, then I would say it is important progress.
>
> One of the articles says it is not ready for practical applications yet. I
> suppose they realize that 100 W in, 150 W out has no useful applications.
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Repeatable COP of ~1.5 seems to be reported by many

[Jones Beene]

 The interesting point is that despite lack of market value for the tech, it 
seems to actually violate long standing physical laws plus there seems to be an 
intrinsic window where the actual gain is around 50 percent over input

The heat pump, in contrast,  merely taps environmental heat and there is no 
physical anomaly  

This situation is somewhat like the Griggs pump scenario of many decades ago...
... in that there apparently is a real anomaly but only a small market for low 
grade heat 

To my knowledge, the cavitation tech and real gain of Griggs has never been 
debunked 


     Jed Rothwell wrote:  
 
 Nicholas Palmer  wrote:


If it can only manage a COP of 1.5-2.5, it's not as effective  as a heat pump...

Yes. 1.5 has no practical use. Still, 50 W excess is good because it can be 
measured with confidence. I think they said the results are "consistent." If 
they can make it happen every time, "consistently" with about the same 
magnitude, then I would say it is important progress.
One of the articles says it is not ready for practical applications yet. I 
suppose they realize that 100 W in, 150 W out has no useful applications.
  

Re: [Vo]:Repeatable COP of ~1.5 seems to be reported by many

[Jed Rothwell]

Nicholas Palmer  wrote:

> If it can only manage a COP of 1.5-2.5, it's not as effective  as a heat
> pump...
>
Yes. 1.5 has no practical use. Still, 50 W excess is good because it can be
measured with confidence. I think they said the results are "consistent."
If they can make it happen every time, "consistently" with about the same
magnitude, then I would say it is important progress.

One of the articles says it is not ready for practical applications yet. I
suppose they realize that 100 W in, 150 W out has no useful applications.

Re: [Vo]:Repeatable COP of ~1.5 seems to be reported by many

[Nicholas Palmer]

If it can only manage a COP of 1.5-2.5, it's not as effective  as a heat
pump...

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