not really sure what you're proposing. Are you suggesting that any
Function object should have a .handleEvent() method in addition to its
.call() method and its .prototype attribute? What would be the point?
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. This currently
isn't supported by HTML.)
It's pretty bad UI for a select to do something if you reselect the
current selection, IMHO.
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if it is replaced by something simpler.)
* Replicate every feature of every OS in the first version.
* Having arbitrary form controls in menus.
* Introducing no new elements. It's ok to introduce new elements.
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will allow arbitrary data out, we
avoid the possibility of servers getting hijacked in this way.
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it in until someone comes up with a better idea, so that we
have a placeholder (and so that people who wish to experiment with the
idea can do so -- there seems to be at least some interest in it).
I agree that if something better comes along in the future we should use
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and to parsers exposed to
internal subsets, IIRC. Since it is not expected that WF2 documents will
be exposed to DTDs of any kind, that does not seem a helpful note. Could
you expand on why it would be helpful?
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on this thread so far!
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be better than what's
currently in the spec. I really believe something should be done (if I
am not too late)... this was the only thing that really seemed
'bad'/wrong immediately after reading.
I guess I'm not convinced that we will have a problem if we go with the
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that are expecting connections from the page's
domain, which massively minimises the risk. (At the moment, it isn't
possible to connect to remote hosts from other domains anyway, but I
imagine we'll relax this in due course.)
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really curious about the reason for doing so. Do
you recommend I use lang=en-robodesign (and ro-robodesign) on my
site :) ?
As others have indicated, there's a spec for that language code. :-) But
it's mostly for fun.
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required by the
Web.
The HTML5 parsing section will cover this in detail.
Note that HTML5 is not based on SGML any more. It will have its own
independent parsing section.
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On Thu, 27 Oct 2005, Jasper Bryant-Greene wrote:
On Wed, 2005-10-26 at 19:14 +, Ian Hickson wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005, Simon Pieters wrote:
I would prefer if the spec was gzipped
In theory this should be happening already. The server supports gzip
[content] encoding
On Mon, 24 Oct 2005, Anne van Kesteren wrote:
Could you please change the namespace to http://n.whatwg.org/formdata;.
Perhaps you also want to note at http://n.whatwg.org/formdata that it
can be used for seeding the form with initial values as well.
Done and done.
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On Mon, 21 Nov 2005, Simon Pieters wrote:
This example[1] should probably be something along the lines:
form xml:base=http://search.example.com/;
pinput type=submit//p
/form
[1] http://whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/current-work/#extensions2
Good catch, thanks. Fixed.
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be
correct instead. :-)
Basically, when the parsing section gets written, it'll be written to
match the behaviour that the most browsers do.
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On Sat, 26 Nov 2005, Hallvord Reiar Michaelsen Steen wrote:
On 14 Nov 2005 at 23:43, Ian Hickson wrote:
Also, AFAIK keygen isn't in any standard but implemented in both Gecko
and Opera. Something for WHATWG to standardise?
keygen in general is not specified at all in WHATWG
of the attribute -- though I'm not convinced that's a blocker
problem, to be honest), makes the input type mistake of having an
element's behaviour change radically based on an attribute (bad for
authors and implementors).
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select (and is done often today), and so it
would allow for a seamless fallback (if we do it right).
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the hint is only for the UA to decide whether or not to load the
resource?
Well the hint allows the UA to prepare the right kind of rendering
context, but the point is that it might be wrong, causing the UA to have
to change rendering context, which is bad for perf.
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of XUL and Mozilla.
Sure it is. Microsoft couldn't come along and have equal say in the
development of XUL, not like they could with the WHATWG or W3C specs.
(Disclosure: I'm one of the editors of the woefully incomplete XUL spec.)
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that is not well handled by XML UAs in general, and I'm not looking
forward to defining how that works.
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On Tue, 29 Nov 2005, Christian Biesinger wrote:
Ian Hickson wrote:
Yeah, what's a plugin and what isn't is a UA thing, so if the UA
decides that its PNG and SVG plugins happen to be native support,
well, that's what it is. (Both PNG and SVG are recognised by Mozilla's
embed because
.
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On Wed, 30 Nov 2005, Anne van Kesteren wrote:
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I suppose I _could_ copy the definition over but that seems like more work
than it is worth, really.
Just add to http://whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/current-work/#terminology:
# The term dfnreflect/dfn
On Thu, 1 Dec 2005, Anne van Kesteren wrote:
The specification does not really say whether it is cancelable or not
explicitly. Taking into account the text surrounding the event it is
probably not cancelable, but I guess that should be noted.
Also s/fired an/fired on/
Fixed.
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On Thu, 1 Dec 2005, Anne van Kesteren wrote:
It only addresses form controls nested in a fieldset. However, setting
optgroup to disabled should cause descendents of that, either optgroup
or option, to become disabled as well.
Fixed.
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On Thu, 1 Dec 2005, Anne van Kesteren wrote:
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It only addresses form controls nested in a fieldset. However, setting
optgroup to disabled should cause descendents of that, either optgroup
or option, to become disabled as well.
Fixed
), a change event is fired on the
output element.
That contradicts each other, no?
output is not a control.
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On Thu, 1 Dec 2005, Ian Hickson wrote:
On Fri, 2 Dec 2005, Anne van Kesteren wrote:
Section 4.2 states: Change and input events must never be triggered by
scripted
changes to the control value.
Section 2.13 states: Whenever the value attribute changes (whether
directly
that this solely applies to 'input' and
'DOMActivate'. (And not to the 'change' event.)
It applies to all the events mentioned in that section, namely click,
DOMActivate, and change. Where's the ambiguity? I'm confused. Why would it
not apply to 'change'?
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http://whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/current-work/#the-click
# If the default action of any of these events is canceled,
# the value of the properties changed must be changed back
# to their original
.
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element you
render it as a menu button, and you use the contents to determine the
menu and the button label according to some algorithm.
(I've renamed menulabel to x to remove any mention of what we call new
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, from a list of three types: context menu (hidden until
activated), tool bar/menu bar/menu button/whatever you call it (turns each
command into a button, and each submenu into a menu button), and the
default, which is to display as a ul (like today).
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. Although... maybe with XBL2's xbl:pseudo= stuff
we can make use of that. Hmm.
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with nl, making it more like the
XHTML 2.0 element?
nl doesn't have convenient fallback characteristics.
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able to get just the right kind of fallback. Most toolbars these days
don't have bullets before every command button. :-)
Earlier, Ian Hickson wrote:
1. Providing a menu bar for the entire window (or application, on Mac), so
that the application can be a native-like application. This, IMHO
activated on
specific items, so we need a way to mark them. There's also a practical
difference between menu as implemented today and menu as we want it to
work (with natively implemented dynamic UI), so we need a way to mark
those too. This is why I was thinking of an attribute on menu.
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It could still be done in HTML by modifying the DOM to move it from the
body to the head using a script. UAs without script would just get a
regular menu within the page, which isn't bad fallback.
True. This isn't really in scope for HTML5 IMHO, though.
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(for toolbars, at least), they don't have
multilevel groupings.
They kind of do, in some contexts, e.g. drop-down buttons.
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On Thu, 8 Dec 2005, Lachlan Hunt wrote:
I don't really want to add a lot of new attributes to option;
What new attributes are you talking about? Option already has a label
attribute in HTML4.
All the ones that command has.
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I've corrected the comments to match the prose at the end of 7.7.
Validation APIs.
(There is also a markup error in 7.5. Additions specific to the
HTMLFieldsetElement interface.)
Fixed.
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On Sat, 3 Dec 2005, Matthew Raymond wrote:
A couple of the examples use the |data| attribute instead of the
|list| attribute. See the following URL:
http://whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/current-work/#the-datalist
Oops! Fixed. Thanks.
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/a
a rel=address href=addressContact/a
/menu
/nav
The UA can still take the link types out and make the toolbar, if it wants
to do so, as the semantics are still there.
(Note to eager menu spec designers: no, I have no idea if that's what I
want it to look like.)
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are like
that, really.)
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fond of popup,
though). What I really want is an attribute whose values convey acts as a
ul with no magic, declares a menu for use elsewhere, and turns into a
toolbar, menu bar, or other command list displayed inline.
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for multiple labels to target the same element.
Yeah, this is something that I'd like to support too. I'm not sure the
right concept to decouple is label, though. Showing the menu could also
be considered a command of kinds. I'm still vague about this.
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an element with an
attribute that refers to another menu element. The real question is
which element to use: one specifically for this, menu, command,
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are a kind of abstraction beyond most authors.
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presentation. In the default
audio presentation, the icons are, of course, irrelevant.
My intent is to first work out what we want the markup to be, then once
we've got that sorted out, to work out how to style it (which might need
changes to CSS, but that's another matter).
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to solve a problem that doesn't exist. Authors like
having the links in their content area. We're not going to convince them
to remove them. IMHO.
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spec. :-) I'll probably change the section title when I
merge WF2 into WA1.
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On Tue, 13 Dec 2005, Dean Edwards wrote:
Ian Hickson wrote:
Is this only because it is easier to implement the DOM interface on a
limited set of elements than on all elements?
Basically, yes. As far as the DOM is concerned it is nigh on impossible
to support dynamic creation
as if its contents were there instead of the
menu, but with an hr before and an hr after.
In addition, if type is either autosubmit, declare autosubmit, or
commands autosubmit, then the submenu/menu part/menu button has the
autosubmit behaviour.
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didn't have annoying bugs with it.
It's not like IE doesn't have bugs with link rel=stylesheet...
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browsers ready for nested optgroup?
As I recall, when we decided to include it Web Forms 2, browsers failed
relatively gracefully in the face of optgroup. There weren't any crashes
or anything, at least.
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the benefits of the what spec's usage as well.
I'm not sure Google's sitemaps are really what Alexey was intending here.
(Google's sitemaps are more a list of URIs than a map.)
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On Tue, 20 Dec 2005, Anne van Kesteren wrote:
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(Though link rel=stylesheet could be replaced by style src= --
already supported by browsers -- or obsoleted only for XHTML, in favour of
?xml-stylesheet, as far as stylesheets go.)
Which browsers
will need to
be defined for handling it in HTML5.
Indeed. See the current proposal for one possibility.
The current proposal is just a straw man, by the way. It, as everything
else in the draft, is very open to change.
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On Sat, 13 Nov 2004, Laurens Holst wrote:
Ian Hickson wrote:
# menubar
# li
#a href=#fileFile/a
#menu id=file
# libutton type=button onclick=fnew()New.../button/li
To:
menubar
li
menulabela href=#fileFile/a/menulabel
menu id=file
the underlying principle of activating
a menu with a button or other control is impossible in text mode UAs.
Yeah, I don't really understand here. Popup menus in text mode have been
possible for decades...
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On Sat, 7 Jan 2006, Simon Pieters wrote:
The Namespaces section[1] currently says:
The HTML namespace is: http://www.w3.org/1999/html
I guess that should probably be http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml;.
Oops, thanks, good catch. Fixed.
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it is present
and bleh when it is not; if it is present it must have the value b, which
gives one set of criteria for UAs and one set of criteria for authors.
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(e.g. the back/forward integration APIs
have clear demand; though it remains to be seen if our APIs get
implemented and used, people are certainly doing their best to implement
JS libraries to fake them today).
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if the navigation was
integrated into the UA's chrome. Nor am I convinced that if it was
integrated into the UA's chrome in a usable fashion, that it would take
less room than it would if styled by the author of the page.
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bookmarks or find them too hard to use.
That is indeed a worrying anecdote, but it is probably one that Web
browser vendors need to worry about more than us. (Though if anyone has
any ideas of ways we can extend HTML to help with this, please don't
hesitate to come forward with them.)
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use
such a UI, rarely see it. CMS-based blogs and autogenerated documentation
are the typical exception, but they aren't a big part of the Web (the
blogosphere's collective ego notwithstanding).
I couldn't call this a success without diluting the meaning of the word.
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, as it is not new features.
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, 16 Jan 2006, Blake Kaplan wrote:
I agree with your interpretation and actually have a patch that fixes
Mozilla's behavior on comments that start with '/'
You rock. :-)
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is not about making the world valid.
No, but it _is_ about making authoring easier and being realistic.
I've considered making alt= and omitting alt be conformant equivalents.
I haven't really thought much about it yet though.
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- EOF Comment a -- b c -.
!-- a -- b c -- EOFComment a -- b c --.
!-- a -- b c -- EOF Comment a -- b c .
This seems like the most logical lowest-common-denominator way of
describing this.
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manages to sneak this into our site through a
cross-site scripting attack!:
script doSomethingEvil(); /script
That would be terrible!
Oh well. There's no way they could aCONNECTION TERMINATED BY PEER
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these:
!-- -- -- EOF
!-- -- -- EOF
!-- -- EOF
!-- -- EOF
...in my script:
http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/
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thing that could work. :-/
I agree. :-)
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!-- --- -| (not sure) |
Comment text is --- -.
PA!-- --- --SS | --- | PASS
PA!--- --- ---SS | - --- -| PASS
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On Wed, 25 Jan 2006, Lachlan Hunt wrote:
Ian Hickson wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, Lachlan Hunt wrote:
PA!- !--SS -- | - ! | PASS --
Comment should be - !-- IMHO. It's still a bogus comment (in HTML5
nomenclature), the -- part is irrelevant.
Ok, so
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006, Lachlan Hunt wrote:
Ian Hickson wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006, Lachlan Hunt wrote:
I tested the following in the live dom viewer using Firefox 1.5.0.1 Win
and Mac, Opera 8.5/Mac, Opera 9 Win and Mac, Safari 2.0.3, IE6, OmniWeb
5.1.2 and iCab 3.0.1.
!DOCTYPE
to see that most of
what we've been working on in HTML5 is justified by this research -- for
example the header and footer elements.
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agree. I wish we could do it this way. I even specced it out. :-)
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in HTML5 onward, something the whole web not using these day.
HTML browsers won't get more than one parser. Whatever we spec here has to
work as a replacement for HTML parsers entirely, for all HTML content.
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On Wed, 25 Jan 2006, Simon Pieters wrote:
Thus, empXY/p/em should be parsed as:
BODY
+ EM
+ P
+ EM
+ #text: XY
...IMHO.
This breaks in the face of ah3/h3//a, sadly (see my earlier mail).
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Agreed.
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as a
child of the EM, after the P for no apparent reason.)
Yeah this seems wrong to me.
IE gets the result you describe as being what Mozilla does with STRONG.
That's the rendering we should be aiming for, IMHO.
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elements, not block-level elements.
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be interested (once the archives are back up, or using the other archive
site) in looking at the recent discussion on sandboxing in HTML5.
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. The stack seems to go out of sync.
The current node (that is, the cursor of the parser, where future
nodes will be appended) is one of their ancestors (the nearest block),
as if those nodes had been opened and then immediately closed again. This
is intentional.
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by the
advantages of your approach. What are they?
noscript and noframes (and other such elements) should be considered
more as #ifdefs than as elements, IMHO.
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inlines it happens to cross.
http://whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#closing
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an adoption agency. Do you know if any of
them _should_ definitely be included?
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Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'
probe programs to reverse engineer browser behavior to figure out why
our nifty AJAX apps don't work.
I don't disagree. This is out of scope for this working group, though.
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replaced by appropriate code)
conformant or not?
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first
version doesn't support namespaces, and it raises an exception SYNTAX_ERR
if the string can't be successfully parsed by the UA.
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