Re: [WSG] overflow: auto;

2004-06-15 Thread Chris Blown
Some good reading / opinions on this here. ( esp. in Comments ) http://www.9rules.com/whitespace/design/iframes_vs_overflow.php Regards Chris Blown On Tue, 2004-06-15 at 15:10, Chris wrote: Hi, I the process of a design that begs overflow: auto; what is theopinion on this wonderful

Re: [WSG] scrolling area

2004-06-15 Thread Andrew Sione Taumoefolau
Is there any way you can convince your client that custom scrollbars are are bad idea? Because 1. oh boy, they are (they're less accessible, they're less functional, they act unpredictably, their implementation is invariably mind-bogglingly complicated), and 2. while it's

Re: [WSG] overflow: auto;

2004-06-15 Thread Chris Stratford
Well personally I prefer overflow: auto to frames, because frames slices up your document... I much prefer to have a single page - be just that... a single page, not a seperate document. Also you dont need to worry about stylesheets not applying to the frame etc... I havn't used frames since

Re: [WSG] overflow: auto;

2004-06-15 Thread Rick Faaberg
Title: Re: [WSG] overflow: auto; On 6/14/04 11:21 PM t94xr.net.nz webmaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: excellent example www.t94xr.net.nz/plinks/ http://www.t94xr.net.nz/plinks/ Camz Doesn't work in Safari, though? Rick Faaberg

Re: [WSG] overflow: auto;

2004-06-15 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Tuesday, June 15, 2004, at 04:29 PM, Rick Faaberg wrote: On 6/14/04 11:21 PM t94xr.net.nz webmaster [EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent this out: excellent example www.t94xr.net.nz/plinks/ http://www.t94xr.net.nz/plinks/> Camz Doesn't work in Safari, though? Rick Faaberg Which Safari? Works OK in

Re: [WSG] overflow: auto;

2004-06-15 Thread Rick Faaberg
On 6/14/04 11:46 PM Nick Gleitzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: excellent example www.t94xr.net.nz/plinks/ http://www.t94xr.net.nz/plinks/ Camz Doesn't work in Safari, though? Rick Faaberg Which Safari? Works OK in 1.0.2 on 10.2.8... Nick 1.2.2 I don't get scrollbars.

Re: [WSG] overflow: auto;

2004-06-15 Thread Rick Faaberg
On 6/14/04 11:54 PM Rick Faaberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: excellent example www.t94xr.net.nz/plinks/ http://www.t94xr.net.nz/plinks/ Camz Doesn't work in Safari, though? Rick Faaberg Which Safari? Works OK in 1.0.2 on 10.2.8... Nick 1.2.2 I don't get scrollbars.

Re: [WSG] overflow: auto;

2004-06-15 Thread t94xr.net.nz webmaster
Title: Re: [WSG] overflow: auto; Doesnt it?! http://www.danvine.com/icapture/detail/51923.html works ok on iCapture?

Re: [WSG] overflow: auto;

2004-06-15 Thread Rick Faaberg
Title: Re: [WSG] overflow: auto; On 6/15/04 12:18 AM t94xr.net.nz webmaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: Doesnt it?! http://www.danvine.com/icapture/detail/51923.html works ok on iCapture? Do we know they have 1.2.2? It still doesn't work on my 1.2.2 (v125.8), that's for sure. Rick

Re: [WSG] HTML, CSS and Mobiles

2004-06-15 Thread Mordechai Peller
Lachlan Hardy wrote: Chris Stratford wrote: So its incorrectly loading the media for SCREEN... and wont load CSS from one method either... This is fairly typical of small-screen devices. Since most web developers don't use CSS properly yet, and many of those who do don't create handheld CSS,

Re: [WSG] overflow: auto;

2004-06-15 Thread Rick Faaberg
On 6/15/04 12:29 AM t94xr.net.nz webmaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: www.t94xr.net.nz/plinks/ http://www.t94xr.net.nz/plinks/ Camz I meant to say I get the scrollbars but no arrow buttons to use for scrolling. Rick Faaberg Can you use your wheel on the mouse? There's no way

Re: [WSG] overflow: auto;

2004-06-15 Thread Rick Faaberg
On 6/15/04 12:45 AM Rick Faaberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: www.t94xr.net.nz/plinks/ http://www.t94xr.net.nz/plinks/ Camz I meant to say I get the scrollbars but no arrow buttons to use for scrolling. Rick Faaberg Can you use your wheel on the mouse? There's no way to

[WSG] Quick accessibility question

2004-06-15 Thread Andy Budd
Here's a quick (and probably stupid) accessibility question regarding screen readers. labelspanS/spanearch/label I assume the a screen reader will read this out as Search and not S earch. Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ * The discussion

[WSG] FW: OZeWAI Dec 1-3, 2004 CFP

2004-06-15 Thread Ralph
Hi all I came across the following from W3C's WAI Interest Group email list. Costs are as follows: All 3 days: $400 for full registration ($300 for student registration) Day Pass: $150 for daily registration (incl GST.). (so $300 for 2 days, $150 for 1 day) Its in Melbourne and one of the

RE: [WSG] Quick accessibility question

2004-06-15 Thread Patrick Lauke
Tested with JAWS 4.02, and yes, it reads it as search. That's not to say, though, that all screenreaders behave this way... Let me guess...underlines for accesskeys ? One thing that worries me about doing those sorts of things is that the result is very...non semantic. Not sure how, say, search

[WSG] Very odd behaviour on IE5 Mac. Any ideas?

2004-06-15 Thread Joe Leech
Hello WSG, I'm having very strange problems with the site I'm working on. I've been given the unenviable task of going through someone else's CSS to fix any bugs in IE 5 Mac PC. Fixed the IE5 PC bugs but am stuck with this odd behaviour in IE5 Mac. Basically the content in the left hand

Re: [WSG] overflow: auto;

2004-06-15 Thread Chris
Hi, It works in my safari :) On Monday, June 14, 2004, at 11:21 PM, t94xr.net.nz webmaster wrote: excellent example www.t94xr.net.nz/plinks/   Camz - Original Message - From: Chris To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 5:10 PM Subject: [WSG] overflow: auto; Hi, I the

Re: [WSG] Quick accessibility question

2004-06-15 Thread Richard Rutter
On 15 Jun 2004, at 12:34, Andy Budd wrote: I agree with you. It's not the nicest way of doing this. I think using the :first-letter pseudo-element selector would probably be a better bet. Much neater, until you need accesskeys for both Search and Services of course. I'm sure some clever

Re: [WSG] Quick accessibility question

2004-06-15 Thread Richard Rutter
On 15 Jun 2004, at 17:55, Richard Rutter wrote: Anyone fancy a bit of fun making that work? Would it actually be useful? If you want something doing... A script which uses the DOM to automatically underline the letter of a link text which matches its accesskey:

RE: [WSG] Quick accessibility question

2004-06-15 Thread Mike Pepper
Hey, that looks interesting, Richard. You got me thinking. Nice one :o) Mike Pepper (thoughtful) Accessible Web Developer www.seowebsitepromotion.com www.gawds.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Richard Rutter Sent: 15 June 2004 22:15 To:

Re: [WSG] Very odd behaviour on IE5 Mac. Any ideas?

2004-06-15 Thread James Ellis
Hi Try hiding the CSS from this magnificent piece of software by using the \*/ hack as outlined elsewhere in a thread here (try mail-archive.com) - it's called the backslash hack, It's the only hack I've employed as users on OS 8 and 9 have no upgrade path. Does tend to bloat the CSS a tad as

[WSG] IE:Mac clears float for no apparent reason

2004-06-15 Thread Viktor Radnai
Hi all, I have redesigned a site from Dreamweaver table city to XHTML 1.0 strict. It's mostly gone well, but Internet Explorer 5.2 for Mac has a couple of issues. The one I'm trying to solve right now is apparent on this page: http://www.organicdance.com.au/organicdance/site/about It seems

Re: [WSG] Very odd behaviour on IE5 Mac. Any ideas?

2004-06-15 Thread Hugh Todd
Joe, Don't know if this will help at all, and I haven't looked closely at the code (I don't envy your job there at all!) but it does look as though whatever it is has a cumulative effect. So each time you roll over a link, the affected left hand margin items jump down the same distance again.

[WSG] Out of Office AutoReply: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

2004-06-15 Thread Cline, Lezli
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Re: [WSG] Must Read

2004-06-15 Thread Marc Greenstock
This method uses GD, which unfortunately is the only bundled graphics library available in php. GD is fine for most purposes, it can be a little memory intensive at times though. The problem here is that the function imagegettfbbox() is sometimes unpredictable and may not get the correct height

Re: [WSG] IE:Mac clears float for no apparent reason

2004-06-15 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On Jun 16, 2004, at 9:58 am, Viktor Radnai wrote: I have redesigned a site from Dreamweaver table city to XHTML 1.0 strict. It's mostly gone well, but Internet Explorer 5.2 for Mac has a couple of issues. The one I'm trying to solve right now is apparent on this page:

RE: [WSG] Must Read

2004-06-15 Thread Bert Doorn
opinion Whatever the technique, using images for headings is, to me, backward, pixel perfect, print thinking. I visited the site - I only have a modem connection. I dind't like the way the headings disappeared, got replaced with image placeholders which slwly filled up with text that was

Re: [WSG] Very odd behaviour on IE5 Mac. Any ideas?

2004-06-15 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
It is a combination of javascript show/hide thingies and having absolute positioned blocks in the middle of the source code. A possible workaround is move the whole code block(s) for those submenus either to the very beginning of the page, or at the very end. Philippe On Jun 16, 2004, at 10:52

RE: [WSG] Must Read

2004-06-15 Thread Jeremy S. @ WSG
I took a look at the example page, and in FireFox .9 and a broadband connection, it took a good couple of seconds before the images showed up properly. I was considering using some sort of image replacement for my new design of my journal, and I was highly considering this one. But I'm really not

Re: [WSG] file extensions

2004-06-15 Thread Sam Walker
On Jun 12, 2004, at 6:27 PM, Christopher Kennon wrote: ... Interestingly, there really is little value to including file extensions such as gif, . jpg , .js, and so on. The browser does not rely on these values to render a page; rather it uses the MIME type header in the response. Knowing