Re: [Xastir] Re: [linuxham] OT: Processors and Linux version
That was a favorite of mine, too. Fortunately, there's a path forward: http://eduke32.com/ Run Duke Nukem on Linux, so long as you have your old DOS disk available. It's really good. They also have a "high resolution pack" that updates the graphics. Ah. Much Betterrr. The version I had was pre-dukenukum3D. It was just DukeMukum. Very simple. Oh well, I even liked the shootem up game that was like a flight sim that came with Win95. Can't remember the name. I will have to check that out. BTW, Thanks for the bandwidth here guys. You all have been very patient with us being so far OT. Steve/WM5Z ___ Xastir mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] Re: [linuxham] OT: Processors and Linux version -- Mac
hans oeste wrote: The only thing I'd like to warn about is that if you use ax25 to try and run a soundmodem, well, I don't think it is really available for the Mac. I've found an AX25 package that some-one put together a few years ago but I have no idea if it really works. As for soundmodem -- Good luck. I guess this only applies if you're trying to run in native mode using Fink or MacPorts. If you run Parallels and run Linux on it or load Linux under bootcamp, then's its a different story. Hans VE7OES ---Original Message--- From: Steve/WM5Z Date: 28/10/2008 9:05:39 AM To: Xastir - APRS client software discussion Subject: Re: [Xastir] Re: [linuxham] OT: Processors and Linux version Gerry Creager wrote: My Core2Duo laptop is a real dog for performance. I run the 64 bit Fedora on it but it's about to get a scrub and grow CentOS 5.2, for overall compatibility with the rest of my shop. Maybe that'll prove a bit better, but I doubt it. I believe there are problems in the processor implementation going deeper than the firmware/BIOS I'll have to solve. My next laptop will be a Mac. You won't be disappointed. My wife just bought one, and it is a screamer. She can start hers, and by the time mine finishes with POST, she is up and running. It is the Mac Book Pro. Really nice screen, good resolution, nice audio (with headphones, no buzz or low end noise), built in features that suit her needs, and can run some M$ stuff. Plus, it can even make room for a Linux or windows partition. I wish I could afford one. Fortunately, the company bought hers. When my Dell dies, I will probably do likewise. More than likely the University will buy my first foray into MacWorld, and will replace my Dell with a Mac Book Pro. I doubt I'll go back to Dell for a variety of reasons, but most dealing with service on HPC clusters... -- Gerry Creager -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Texas Mesonet -- AATLT, Texas A&M University Cell: 979.229.5301 Office: 979.458.4020 FAX: 979.862.3983 Office: 1700 Research Parkway Ste 160, TAMU, College Station, TX 77843 ___ Xastir mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] Re: [linuxham] OT: Processors and Linux version -- Mac
The only thing I'd like to warn about is that if you use ax25 to try and run a soundmodem, well, I don't think it is really available for the Mac. I've found an AX25 package that some-one put together a few years ago but I have no idea if it really works. As for soundmodem -- Good luck. I guess this only applies if you're trying to run in native mode using Fink or MacPorts. If you run Parallels and run Linux on it or load Linux under bootcamp, then's its a different story. Hans VE7OES ---Original Message--- From: Steve/WM5Z Date: 28/10/2008 9:05:39 AM To: Xastir - APRS client software discussion Subject: Re: [Xastir] Re: [linuxham] OT: Processors and Linux version Gerry Creager wrote: > > My Core2Duo laptop is a real dog for performance. I run the 64 bit > Fedora on it but it's about to get a scrub and grow CentOS 5.2, for > overall compatibility with the rest of my shop. Maybe that'll prove a > bit better, but I doubt it. I believe there are problems in the > processor implementation going deeper than the firmware/BIOS I'll have > to solve. My next laptop will be a Mac. > > You won't be disappointed. My wife just bought one, and it is a screamer. She can start hers, and by the time mine finishes with POST, she is up and running. It is the Mac Book Pro. Really nice screen, good resolution, nice audio (with headphones, no buzz or low end noise), built in features that suit her needs, and can run some M$ stuff. Plus, it can even make room for a Linux or windows partition. I wish I could afford one. Fortunately, the company bought hers. When my Dell dies, I will probably do likewise. Steve/WM5Z ___ Xastir mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir ___ Xastir mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] Re: [linuxham] OT: Processors and Linux version
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 05:54:14PM -0600, we recorded a bogon-computron collision of the <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> flavor, containing: > Lee Bengston wrote: > > I wish I could find my old DOS disks to try some of my old games. Bet > they would run so fast now noone could possibly play them. One was Duke > Nukum. That was such a fun game, and so easy to get through the levels. > Then when windows 95 came out, it wouldn't run right, it ran to slow. Oh > well. That was a favorite of mine, too. Fortunately, there's a path forward: http://eduke32.com/ Run Duke Nukem on Linux, so long as you have your old DOS disk available. It's really good. They also have a "high resolution pack" that updates the graphics. Ah. Much Betterrr. -- Tom RussoKM5VY SAR502 DM64ux http://www.swcp.com/~russo/ Tijeras, NM QRPL#1592 K2#398 SOC#236 AHTB#1 http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?DDTNM "Argue for your limitations and sure enough, they're yours." -- R. Bach ___ Xastir mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] Re: [linuxham] OT: Processors and Linux version
Lee Bengston wrote: On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Gerry Creager <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Curt, WE7U wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2008, Lee Bengston wrote: The only problems I have encountered with 64 bit linux versions is the lack of 64 bit plugins like java. On my core 2 duo laptop, I didn't notice much speed difference between the 64 and 32 bit versions, so I just went with the 32. Really? It's reading/writing 8 bytes at a time instead of 4 to your memory. It should be faster. 64 bit was faster, but 32 still was pretty fast as well. My Core2Duo laptop is a real dog for performance. I run the 64 bit Fedora on it but it's about to get a scrub and grow CentOS 5.2, for overall compatibility with the rest of my shop. Maybe that'll prove a bit better, but I doubt it. I believe there are problems in the processor implementation going deeper than the firmware/BIOS I'll have to solve. My next laptop will be a Mac. My Core2Duo (work) laptop (1.8GHz) isn't bad. There are different models of Core2Duo processors - with varying levels of cache. There's also the Pentium Dual Core, which has the least cache of them all. I tried Kubuntu 64 bit first, and I was able to install 32 bit java on it, but it was a bit of a PITA as I recall. When I switched to openSUSE 10.3, I just went with 32 bit from the beginning to avoid the plug-in issues, and it was not that much slower than Kubuntu 64 bit. I'm kind of surprised to hear that a Core2Duo was a dog. I also have two home-built Core 2 Duo desktops using the dirt-cheap ECS motherboards from Fry's (implying they might run even better with different boards), and they both fly. One is a WinXP box, and the other is running Sabayon 3.5. Xastir from CVS compiled fine in Sabayon, by the way. Lee - K5DAT Murphy, TX ___ Xastir mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir Well, everything is faster than what I had back in 1991. ;-) It was a 386 running with 1 MB of ram, yes, I said o-n-e MB. It had a 10 MB MFM HDD that someone gave me an RLL driver to make it a 20 MB. The 486 was still a pipe dream for me. I was running windows 2. Tried to upgrade to version 3, but I didn't have enough free memory. But it ran my book keeping software and inventory control. It could sometimes take Lotus over a minute to find an item in the inventory. That list only had about 11,000 items back then. My point is, the faster the computer, the more the software demands. I bet it would take 3 months to run through my inventory list if it used todays software on that old hardware. I wish I could find my old DOS disks to try some of my old games. Bet they would run so fast now noone could possibly play them. One was Duke Nukum. That was such a fun game, and so easy to get through the levels. Then when windows 95 came out, it wouldn't run right, it ran to slow. Oh well. Steve/WM5Z ___ Xastir mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] Re: [linuxham] OT: Processors and Linux version
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Gerry Creager <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Curt, WE7U wrote: >> >> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008, Lee Bengston wrote: >> >>> The only problems I have encountered with 64 bit linux versions is the >>> lack of 64 bit plugins like java. On my core 2 duo laptop, I didn't >>> notice much speed difference between the 64 and 32 bit versions, so I >>> just went with the 32. >> >> Really? It's reading/writing 8 bytes at a time instead of 4 to your >> memory. It should be faster. 64 bit was faster, but 32 still was pretty fast as well. > My Core2Duo laptop is a real dog for performance. I run the 64 bit Fedora > on it but it's about to get a scrub and grow CentOS 5.2, for overall > compatibility with the rest of my shop. Maybe that'll prove a bit better, > but I doubt it. I believe there are problems in the processor > implementation going deeper than the firmware/BIOS I'll have to solve. My > next laptop will be a Mac. My Core2Duo (work) laptop (1.8GHz) isn't bad. There are different models of Core2Duo processors - with varying levels of cache. There's also the Pentium Dual Core, which has the least cache of them all. I tried Kubuntu 64 bit first, and I was able to install 32 bit java on it, but it was a bit of a PITA as I recall. When I switched to openSUSE 10.3, I just went with 32 bit from the beginning to avoid the plug-in issues, and it was not that much slower than Kubuntu 64 bit. I'm kind of surprised to hear that a Core2Duo was a dog. I also have two home-built Core 2 Duo desktops using the dirt-cheap ECS motherboards from Fry's (implying they might run even better with different boards), and they both fly. One is a WinXP box, and the other is running Sabayon 3.5. Xastir from CVS compiled fine in Sabayon, by the way. Lee - K5DAT Murphy, TX ___ Xastir mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] Re: [linuxham] OT: Processors and Linux version
Curt, WE7U wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2008, Steve/WM5Z wrote: audio (with headphones, no buzz or low end noise), built in features that suit her needs, and can run some M$ stuff. Plus, it can even make room for a Linux or windows partition. No need for a Linux partition, OSX is Unix. Compile/run Unix/Linux apps directly on OSX. I did not know that. I see threads on xastir all the time about installing Xastir, but since I was using Linux, let them go by with no attention paid. Nice to know now though. I will have to watch the threads more closely, maybe even install xastir on Val's new toy when she isn't watching. Steve/WM5Z ___ Xastir mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] Re: [linuxham] OT: Processors and Linux version
On Oct 28, 2008, at 9:22 AM, Curt, WE7U wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2008, Steve/WM5Z wrote: audio (with headphones, no buzz or low end noise), built in features that suit her needs, and can run some M$ stuff. Plus, it can even make room for a Linux or windows partition. No need for a Linux partition, OSX is Unix. Compile/run Unix/Linux apps directly on OSX. You can also use macports or fink to automate the process somewhat (similar to how Gentoo works with Linux). I have tried both on my Mac Mini, but they don't work too well together sometimes. I have stuck with macports but still need to search for source tarballs occasionally. ___ Xastir mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] Re: [linuxham] OT: Processors and Linux version
On Tue, 28 Oct 2008, Steve/WM5Z wrote: audio (with headphones, no buzz or low end noise), built in features that suit her needs, and can run some M$ stuff. Plus, it can even make room for a Linux or windows partition. No need for a Linux partition, OSX is Unix. Compile/run Unix/Linux apps directly on OSX. -- Curt, WE7U. archer at eskimo dot com http://www.eskimo.com/~archer Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math. - unknown Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates. - WE7U. The world DOES revolve around me: I picked the coordinate system!" ___ Xastir mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] Re: [linuxham] OT: Processors and Linux version
Gerry Creager wrote: My Core2Duo laptop is a real dog for performance. I run the 64 bit Fedora on it but it's about to get a scrub and grow CentOS 5.2, for overall compatibility with the rest of my shop. Maybe that'll prove a bit better, but I doubt it. I believe there are problems in the processor implementation going deeper than the firmware/BIOS I'll have to solve. My next laptop will be a Mac. You won't be disappointed. My wife just bought one, and it is a screamer. She can start hers, and by the time mine finishes with POST, she is up and running. It is the Mac Book Pro. Really nice screen, good resolution, nice audio (with headphones, no buzz or low end noise), built in features that suit her needs, and can run some M$ stuff. Plus, it can even make room for a Linux or windows partition. I wish I could afford one. Fortunately, the company bought hers. When my Dell dies, I will probably do likewise. Steve/WM5Z ___ Xastir mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] Re: [linuxham] OT: Processors and Linux version
Curt, WE7U wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2008, Lee Bengston wrote: The only problems I have encountered with 64 bit linux versions is the lack of 64 bit plugins like java. On my core 2 duo laptop, I didn't notice much speed difference between the 64 and 32 bit versions, so I just went with the 32. Really? It's reading/writing 8 bytes at a time instead of 4 to your memory. It should be faster. My Core2Duo laptop is a real dog for performance. I run the 64 bit Fedora on it but it's about to get a scrub and grow CentOS 5.2, for overall compatibility with the rest of my shop. Maybe that'll prove a bit better, but I doubt it. I believe there are problems in the processor implementation going deeper than the firmware/BIOS I'll have to solve. My next laptop will be a Mac. BTW: You can often use 32-bit versions of libraries alongside other 64-bit stuff. I try not to, but that option is available if you really need to run something. Oh, one problem I did have with the 64-bit system was the Java Hot-Spot compiler for 64-bit: I had to downgrade from 1.6.x to 1.5.x 'cuz the compiler kept crashing. It's a known bug and perhaps 1.7.x will fix it. It was the Sun Java 1.6.x package in OpenSuSE-11.0 for x86_64. We've seen a bunch of problems in all releases of 1.6.x on the javAPRSSrvr code. Standard now is to run 1.5.4. Color this as a datapoint. I don't know I'll upgrade to 1.7.x anytime soon: I've got too many servers I use! -- Gerry Creager -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Texas Mesonet -- AATLT, Texas A&M University Cell: 979.229.5301 Office: 979.458.4020 FAX: 979.862.3983 Office: 1700 Research Parkway Ste 160, TAMU, College Station, TX 77843 ___ Xastir mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] Re: [linuxham] OT: Processors and Linux version
On Tue, 28 Oct 2008, Lee Bengston wrote: The only problems I have encountered with 64 bit linux versions is the lack of 64 bit plugins like java. On my core 2 duo laptop, I didn't notice much speed difference between the 64 and 32 bit versions, so I just went with the 32. Really? It's reading/writing 8 bytes at a time instead of 4 to your memory. It should be faster. BTW: You can often use 32-bit versions of libraries alongside other 64-bit stuff. I try not to, but that option is available if you really need to run something. Oh, one problem I did have with the 64-bit system was the Java Hot-Spot compiler for 64-bit: I had to downgrade from 1.6.x to 1.5.x 'cuz the compiler kept crashing. It's a known bug and perhaps 1.7.x will fix it. It was the Sun Java 1.6.x package in OpenSuSE-11.0 for x86_64. -- Curt, WE7U. archer at eskimo dot com http://www.eskimo.com/~archer Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math. - unknown Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates. - WE7U. The world DOES revolve around me: I picked the coordinate system!" ___ Xastir mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] Re: [linuxham] OT: Processors and Linux version
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Steve/WM5Z <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks Zeb, Curt and everybody else. I wasn't sure which OS loading would > work, and now I see I can use either. I will get the 64 bit version > downloaded and ready. > > Curt, I only have one 22" monitor on the ham station, where you get off > having 2? :-D > > Thanks to all my friends. The only problems I have encountered with 64 bit linux versions is the lack of 64 bit plugins like java. On my core 2 duo laptop, I didn't notice much speed difference between the 64 and 32 bit versions, so I just went with the 32. I was playing with OpenSUSE 10.3 and whatever the current version of Ubuntu was then - about a year ago. Lee - K5DAT Murphy, TX ___ Xastir mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
