Thank you, Frank, for that comprehensive analysis of the problem. However,
I wonder if the errors might be masked by the 32 arc minute  solar penumbra.

Best wishes,

Geoff

On 19 January 2017 at 16:33, Frank King <f...@cl.cam.ac.uk> wrote:

> Dear John,
>
> I wondered when someone would spot that there is a
> whole can of worms waiting to be opened here...
>
> > Won't the factors that necessitate the addition
> > of a leap day prevent this alignment from
> > happening at exactly 11/11 11:11 every year?
>
> Quite so.  No doubt you looked at the time-lapse
> video and spotted that the circle of light DIDN'T
> properly centre itself on the Great Seal of the
> United States.  This is surely only one step less
> sinful than being disrespectful to the US flag?
>
> OK, take a deep breath and see what we are up
> against...
>
> First we need to be clear what is meant by the
> time 11:11?  I assume this is clock time in
> Anthem, Arizona, and a little research suggests
> they are on Mountain Time there and that they
> don't observe Daylight Saving.  [Just think how
> the whole scheme could be wrecked if they did
> go over to Daylight Saving and the clocks didn't
> go back until after 11 November!]
>
> To me, their interest is at 18:11:00 UTC but that
> is a detail.
>
> The big difficulty is that, at this exact time of
> day, the solar declination varies with the leap
> year cycle and there is a steady drift.  As a
> result both the solar altitude and solar azimuth
> vary from one year to the next.  Let's see by
> how much...
>
> I'll take it that the Geographical Coordinates
> of Anthem are:
>
>        33° 51' 15" N     112° 7' 30"
>
> Using GCstudio I determined the following data
> for 10 years starting in 2016, a leap year:
>
>   2016  -17°41'09"  +36°25'01"  +161°40'45"
>   2017  -17°37'11"  +36°28'55"  +161°39'53"
>   2018  -17°33'13"  +36°32'52"  +161°39'05"
>   2019  -17°29'12"  +36°36'55"  +161°38'33"
>   2020  -17°41'38"  +36°24'36"  +161°41'11"
>   2021  -17°37'47"  +36°28'23"  +161°40'14"
>   2022  -17°33'48"  +36°32'21"  +161°39'31"
>   2023  -17°29'52"  +36°36'14"  +161°38'36"
>   2024  -17°42'18"  +36°23'55"  +161°41'16"
>   2025  -17°38'23"  +36°27'48"  +161°40'23"
>
> The four columns show: year, declination, alt, az
> as they are at Anthem at 11:11:00 Mountain Time
> on 11 November in the 10 years shown.
>
> Take declination first.  You see that starting in
> 2016 the declination gets about 4 minutes less
> negative on successive years until there is a
> sudden jump back which is A LITTLE TOO BIG.
> This sets the pattern.  We become less negative
> until 2024 when there is another jump.
>
> The jumps back over-compensate because the tropical
> year is slightly less than 365.25 days.
>
> You will see that the solar altitude increases by
> just under 4' a year before falling back just over
> 12' in a leap year.  You will see that even in this
> little table the range of altitudes is about 11'
> and this will be noticed by careful observers.
>
> The azimuth varies too of course but by not so
> much and its main effect is to make you have to
> worry about just how to align the slabs.
>
> OK, what should they have done?
>
> Well one approach is to settle on the 2016 figures
> and note that over the next 36 years the data for
> 2016 will be somewhere near the middle.  After
> that the drift will become more noticeable but the
> designer will probably be dead and won't care.
>
> Things gradually get worse and worse until The
> Great Correction over the years 2096 to 2004
> when the omission of a leap year in 2100 will
> reverse some of the damage.
>
> Most people know that the Gregorian Calendar
> was an improvement over the Julian Calendar but
> almost all readers of this list will live their
> entire lives enduring pure Julian Drift.
>
> This is a massive imposition and we should all
> be lobbying for a much better 33-year Calendar
> originally designed by Omar Khayyam in 1079,
> long before John Dee and others rediscovered
> it.  This was over 500 years before Pope
> Gregory's tinkering in 1582.  Why didn't
> Pope Gregory do a proper job then?
>
> That's a long story but the result is that we
> are lumbered with an unhelpful calendar which
> is, I suppose, upward-compatible with its
> predecessor.
>
> I share the view that "upward-compatibility is
> the business of deliberately not putting right
> someone else's mistakes".
>
> Many apologies.  Another rant I fear!
>
> Very best wishes
>
> Frank
>
> Frank King
> Cambridge, U.K.
>
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