Ivan Menchero
Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:35:52 -0800
I agree with Jim Worthy, you can not cover in 90 minutes such a complex an variety of topics, it could take hours just to cover MONSANTO! And yes to change something like the monetary system I consider it extreme and utopia. I will check the The future of food Ivan -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Worthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 3:45 AM To: <sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Documentaries > I agree with most of the observations about Food, Inc's shortcomings, i.e. > US-centric, spotty coverage, lack of depth, but come on guys, it is just a > documentary. However familiar the topics are to an informed and engaged > audience, I can tell you that it has served well to woke up a lay audience > in Denver to serious food issues. This has led to discussion, further > inquiry, and specific action to support local farmers. From where I sit, > that is a good thing. > > On the other topics, there is a Zeitgeist chapter here that I have > connected > with in the past few weeks. I'll attend one of their gatherings in about > ten > days. The extreme part of their message, as I understand it so far, is > that > an ideal society would not use currency at all. The founder of the > movement > has a rather involved economic theory centered around the argument that > scarcity is an artifice of the owners used to regulate prices and debt > thus > ensuring a compliant consumer class. That is over -simplified, of course, > but my take away. > > The only other film listed that I have seen is "The Future of Food" which > is > also thought-provoking and informative for a lay audience. I enjoyed it. > > Aside from our local actions to identify and publicize local growers, food > processors, and vendors, a strategic target is to identify people involved > in the preservation of heirloom seeds. We've got a few informal networks > in > Colorado but that seems to me to be one of the most pressing issues. > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Keith Addison > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > >> Hi Ivan >> >> >Hi All, >> > >> >This weekend I watch 3 documentaries, >> >The first 2 a bit too extreme and utopical, but hey, you have to aim >> >high, >> >"Zeitgeist" and "Zeitgeist addendum" >> >http://www.imdb.com/find?q=zeitgeist&sourceid=mozilla-search >> >> I haven't seen Zeitgeist yet, it's on my to-see list. Too extreme in >> which ways? >> >> >And the other "Food Inc", I read the book and I was like "nooo can not >> >be >> >true. and the Monsanto is the devil campaign started in my brain" when I >> >read the book and then I saw the movie and it was nice to remember all, >> >I >> am >> >a firm believer of what they say, if we do not buy it they will have to >> >change. >> >http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1286537/ >> >> That's also on my to-see list, but I put a question mark next to it >> after it got panned at the Organic Gardening List: >> >> >Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 06:37:36 -0700 >> >Sender: Organic Gardening Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >From: margaret lauterbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >Subject: "Food, Inc." >> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> >I had pre-ordered "Food, Inc.," and watched nearly all of the dvd >> >yesterday. What a disappointment! As you folks know, there's plenty >> >wrong with the food available in the U.S. This "expose" did a bit on >> >CAFOs, never touching on "downer" cattle or proclaimed tests for >> >BSE. Not a word about the prevalence among hogs of MRSA, or >> >Campylobacter among chickens, salmonella in eggs, etc. As I recall, >> >there was an allusion to feedlot runoff that spread e. coli to >> >spinach, but a more reasonable explanation I've heard was that a >> >wild boar ran through a feedlot, then through the spinach field. I >> >hadn't realized wild boars were numerous in California. I wonder if >> >the hunting season includes them. Nothing about the mega >> >pharmaceutical companies owning seed companies, intending to "grow" >> >pharmaceuticals. I think that's a good idea, because it would lower >> >the cost of pharmaceuticals, BUT they'd better re-think the idea of >> >growing pharma in outdoor corn fields. Pollen blows. There was a bit >> >about GM crops contaminating a farmer's field, and the onus put on >> >him to prove he didn't steal Monsanto's product. No mention that >> >some state laws put the burden on Monsanto to prove that a farmer >> >stole their product. There was a part about hfcs, too, but I think >> >they're late with that expose (and the rest). I'm finding a lot of >> >products I eat sweetened with cane syrup. The bottom line is, don't >> >blow bucks on this one. Margaret L >> >> What do you think? >> >> Others I'd noted, but haven't seen yet: >> >> King Corn >> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1112115/ >> < >> http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=%22Monsanto+-+Patent+For+a+Pig%22&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=WhkVS5iVCoyK6gPwsaC4BA&sa=X&oi=video_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBAQqwQwAA >> > >> >> Monsanto - Patent For a Pig >> < >> http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=%22Monsanto+-+Patent+For+a+Pig%22&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=WhkVS5iVCoyK6gPwsaC4BA&sa=X&oi=video_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBAQqwQwAA >> > >> >> The World According to Monsanto >> <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1189345/> >> ... with some reservations: >> <http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/article/470841> >> >> Bullshit (focus on Vandana Shiva) >> <http://www.peaholmquist.com/bullshit/about.htm> >> >> The Future of Food >> <http://www.imdb.com/video/snag/vi273285913/> >> >> This is useful, by the way, IMO: >> Movie Review Query Engine: >> <http://www.mrqe.com/> >> >> All best >> >> Keith >> >> >> >Enjoy the films and Happy Holidays! >> > >> >Ivan >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuel mailing list >> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel >> >> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> >> Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 >> messages): >> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >> > > > > -- > Regards, Jim > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: /pipermail/attachments/20091203/2e971526/attachment.html > _______________________________________________ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/