Hello! Just to explain the point of view of the PocketGis team:
I'm a member of that team. I.'m one of those who voted for changing the rules of mapping military in Russia. The reason for that was NOT the problems to OUR project, but problems to the possibility to legally use OSM in Russia. For the moment Russian legislation relating to mapping is VERY strict - it's a licensed activity with huge amount of control from Federal Security Service, Ministry of Defense and so on. (We do suppose that it is legal for natural persons, who are not making profit of mapping activity, so we can legally participate in OSM). Publishing or using of maps, created by unlicensed persons is illegal for those, who use them in their commercia lactivity, so for the moment OSM data in Russia can be use ONLY for non-profit activity and only by natural persons. We do not think that it is good. We (PocketGis team) are currently making some efforts to prove to our state authorities that OSM data can be used by anyone, in any way. This is only possible if that data contains nothing that violates Russian legislation. Our proposal (formulated AFTER the vote on wiki was started by other osm members) was not to remove OBJECTS from OSM, but to replace the tag military by something like landuse=industrial + access=no In that way we do respect the truth_on_ground rule, but we leave to OSM a chance to be legal for everyone in Russia. We spent two weeks trying to prove that, we failed. No we are accused of trying to harm OSM, to take power in Russian-oms and so on... That is not true. We do care of OSM. By the way - the author of the originating e-mail is not a Russian citizen... Best regards, Kirill aka Ezhick. 2010/4/11 Komяpa <m...@komzpa.net> > Hi all, > > Let me tell some news about "what the hell is going on" in russian OSM > community (wiki+forum). > > First, there's some strange voting on wiki. http://tinyurl.com/y8etzgy > It's about mapping military objects. The strange tings are that it > didn't have proper RFC period, one of the things it proposes is > "delete all the military fom OSM database", and that thing has ~50% of > votes. Strange votes, copypasting a large portion of text. > > Also, there's a connected forum thread (http://tinyurl.com/yeee4rd, > 50+ pages), that show some more details. First, there are different > readings of the law, if it is illegal to map such objects in OSM. > Second, those strange votes come from PocetGis users community (a > proprietary traffic-jam-aware software for WinCE, that uses OSM data), > which had a "solidarity vote on the problem", when the lead developer > asked everyone "please vote thsi way for our project to live". > (http://tinyurl.com/ycyqzp4). Also, they had an illustrated HOWTO on > registering and voting in OSM wiki. (http://tinyurl.com/y8hlwx8) > > There are at least two changeset that remove "landuse=military" tag > from militery objects for now. > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4282763 > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4282759 > There will be more, if they will formally win. > > Also, they (vctos, the lead developer) started some strange topics on > "What is in OSM? Democracy or anarchy? Let here be our democracy". He > says that now the community is controlled by a number of hackers and > wants a voting on strict rules and positions, who will do what. > Seemingly, to be the key person in osm-ru (http://tinyurl.com/ya4tjcc) > > If there's somebody who can stop that madness, please do it. Or at > least vote in that voting. > > -- > Komяpa aka Darafei Praliaskouski > http://osm.komzpa.net xmpp:m...@komzpa.net <xmpp%3...@komzpa.net> mailto: > m...@komzpa.net > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >
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