Arthur Christy
Wed, 03 Nov 2004 14:41:33 -0800
I am sure that the TILT developers did not expect it to become so popular.
I would love to get my copy working. I have trying for about 2 years now. PHP, and MySQL works fine separately, they just don't want to communicate with each other. Brent, since you were one of the developers, is there a list of configurations that need to be changed to customize it? I have taken bits and pieces from various emails over the years but still have not been able to get it to work. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michele Ostrow Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 2:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Damon E Jaggars Subject: RE: TILT fork? Hello TILT talkers, As the UT-Austin person who maintains TILT, I thought I should pipe in. As far as I know, Brent is right about the way OPL and copyright function. Any modifications and improvements adapters want to make to TILT, either individually on their own campuses or collaboratively, are within the parameters of the OPL. When I inherited TILT from the original developer a few years ago, we agreed that TILT needed to be updated. The technology is just one part of this equation. More importantly, to my mind, is the content. As Brent alluded to, we don't have the resources to do this on this campus. However, I have been trying to secure a grant to temporarily hire someone with a background in instructional technology and information literacy instruction to revise TILT. Newer technologies would be employed with this new content to ensure that TILT was meeting its educational goals. I haven't had any luck getting a grant yet, but I'm still trying. That being said, I would encourage all who are interested to do whatever they can to improve TILT. Hopefully one day we will be able to give it the attention it deserves and would be able to fold any improvements made by the TILT community back into the original. -Michele Michele Ostrow Head, Library Instruction & Information Literacy Services University of Texas Libraries PO Box P University of Texas at Austin Austin, TX 78713 512-495-4534 512-495-4340 (FAX) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brent Simpson Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 2:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: TILT fork? TILT would still be copyright the University of Texas but the TILT Open Content License allows people to create any kind of modifications they like and redistribute if they like. My concern is that there are a lot of modifications that people would like, but it doesn't appear that there are any resources available through the University of Texas to be able to report, or accomodate an open source project of this kind. This would require something like Eduforge (http://eduforge.org) which has the kinds of tools that developers of open source projects need: communication tools, CVS, Wikis, etc. Now this project is unique in that it's focus is primarily a body of content not programming routines or source code. I think that Eduforge could function quite well for content as well; we could upload the content into the Wiki and engage the community to make changes and update content this way. There would be some core "developers" that would consist of programmers for the interactions, installation, quizzes, etc... and content experts who would advise and peer review the TILT content on the Wiki for inclusion in new releases. Perhaps I should also comment on who "owns" TILT; the University of Texas would still maintain the Copyright of TILT and be able to release a TILT package on their own that either included the mods made by the forked TILT community or not. Or, they could back this idea and use something like Eduforge to do it themselves, contribute, etc. As one of the original developers of TILT (and yes, I wrote most of that crappy code ... completely self taught this was the first thing I ever programmed) and the instigator of TILT being covered by an Open License I have always felt that the spirit of releasing the content in this fashion was never really realized. There are at my last count, over 85 institutions that have a modified or not copy of TILT running; but has the TILT team in UT Austin ever merged any code or content from these institutions back into TILT. Not that I know of. Now, this is not a criticism of the Austin people; there are no original developers left working there and just maintaining TILT is quite a job. They were left with a project that if I had of had more foresight perhaps I would have left with more mechanisms in place to be able to solicit and merge changes, but that time is now here. If TILT is still a useful tool then I think it's worth considering how to quickly get it up to speed with the changing times. comments.... brent simpson. Arthur Christy wrote: >Has anybody talked with the owner yet? It seems like everybody wants >to do something with somebody else's program. It may not be open >license, but I would think there is still a copyright. > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Blah >Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:49 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: TILT fork? > >Bill, > > I was not aware of the New York State regulations for accessibility. >Do >you have any resources available that could act as guidelines for a >possible > >new version. > >Ben > > >>From: "Drew, Bill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Subject: RE: TILT fork? >>Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:15:55 -0500 >>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>Received: from iceman.cc.utexas.edu ([146.6.71.66]) by >mc5-f16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Wed, 3 Nov >2004 >08:40:09 -0800 >>Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])by >iceman.cc.utexas.edu >(8.12.11/8.12.11/cc-lists.mc-1.33) with SMTP id iA3GG5Qr014624;Wed, 3 >Nov >2004 10:16:11 -0600 (CST) >>Received: from ironmaiden.mail.utexas.edu >(ironmaiden.mail.utexas.edu [128.83.32.53])by iceman.cc.utexas.edu >(8.12.11/8.12.11/cc-lists.mc-1.33) >with ESMTP id iA3GG2RS014598for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >Wed, 3 > >Nov 2004 10:16:02 -0600 (CST) >>Received: from morrisville.edu (HELO >system10.csntprod.morrisville.edu) >(136.204.34.82) by ironmaiden.mail.utexas.edu with ESMTP; 03 Nov 2004 >10:16:02 -0600 >>Received: from 66.218.19.38 ([66.218.19.38]) by >system10.csntprod.morrisville.edu ([136.204.34.82]) with Microsoft >Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 16:15:58 +0000 >>X-Message-Info: yilqo4+6kc60vUqYLxGd/oReT/MwR1du >>X-IronPort-MID: 251496625 >>X-SBRS: 5.7 >>X-BrightmailFiltered: true >>X-Ironport-AV: i="3.86,115,1096866000"; >d="scan'217,208"; a="251496625:sNHT19180396" >>In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Thread-Topic: TILT fork? >>Thread-Index: AcTBwGWsJ3MGmR3qQm+BizEusUeJ0g== >>Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Web Access 6.5.7226.0 >>X-MimeCtl: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 >>X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.10/020311/17:52 -- ListProc(tm) by >CREN >>Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Nov 2004 16:40:09.0978 (UTC) >FILETIME=[C87F35A0:01C4C1C3] > >This would be the naswer to my >concerns about it being so Texas specific. Moving it to EDUFORGE is an >excellent idea. I had stopped any of > >my own work on TILT hoping it might be developed along more generic lines. >There is much that could be improved including making it accessable to >all users including the blind. As it stands now I can't use it because >it violates New York State regulations on accessability. I need to >rpovide alternative conent to the animations and graphics that is equal >in quality and quantity of information. >> >>Bill Drew >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >_________________________________________________________________ >Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! >hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > > >