Richard,

thanks a lot for taking the time to explain all of that to me. Makes much more 
sense now.

Happy weekend

Tobias

On 10.09.2010, at 15:21, "Richard S. Hall" <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 9/10/10 5:15, Wunden Tobias wrote:
>> The only thing that I don't understand is that if Felix really is only 
>> loading bundles, then why should a bundle make assumptions about it's 
>> runtime environment (daemon vs. interactive) and shut down the whole 
>> framework if these assumptions don't hold. t just seems strange to me, which 
>> is likely to mean that I don't understand the design rather than the design 
>> being wrong :-)
> 
> The Felix framework is only loading bundles. Actually, the launcher is 
> creating a framework instance and installing/starting any bundles contained 
> in the bundle/ directory. The framework by itself won't load any bundles at 
> all.
> 
> In this particular case, I don't believe that Gogo is shutting down the 
> entire framework, it is just grabbing stdin. In general, you are correct, 
> bundles shouldn't make assumptions about what they are allowed to do; for 
> example, you can't stop bundles from calling System.exit() unless you plan to 
> enable security.
> 
> But the shell bundle is somewhat special in this case. The distribution we 
> provide of the Felix framework is intended to be a developer distribution, 
> which will typically be used in an interactive way by a developer. If you 
> don't want Gogo grabbing stdin, then you should either a) not deploy it or b) 
> configure it not to do so. But from a development perspective, it is doing 
> exactly what we want, since we don't want a headless developer distribution.
> 
> Keep in mind, the situation would be no different for a bundle wanting to 
> display a GUI. In your case, you also wouldn't want this. The OSGi framework 
> is a generic module layer, you can build any type of application with it 
> (interactive or not, server or client, etc.), so everything a bundle does is 
> based on some assumption about how it is going to be used.
> 
> -> richard
> 
>> Again, thanks for your quick (and patient) help!
>> 
>> Tobias
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