The Oracle purchase of Sun allows oracle to claim ownership in application software which the whole world contributed to? Is that correct?
Under prior patent law, it was not the first to file but the first to invent the objects of a patent that had the valid claim to actual patent rights? Under current law, I understand it now to be the first to file gets all? Is that correct. How does patent law work? A claim is made by filing the claim with the patent authority Who has a valid claim one who invents or one who files. Think of it this way.. MR. Island discovers how to make an island from the sand found at the ocean bottom.. Mr. Island uses his discovery to produce a brand new island the size of the USA State of say Georgia, The Island is now in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean 450 miles off the shore of New York City. between London and New York City. Dr. Patent, LLB, a Lawyer, sees that the mind of Mr. Island has produced [invented] a very valuable method, A method that many people would pay a lot of money to know about because they too want to build their own private Island in the middle of the ocean. Dr. Patent tells his congress, look guys I want to own the method Mr. Island invented, please change the law so that i can own his method. Congress debated the issue and decided that many wealthy people would like to own the products (inventions) of other people´s minds; so Congress passed a law that lets the person who want to own the Island and the person who desire to own the useful method invented by someone, to be able to claim ownership in the Island and in the method to produce the island. Tangible property law created, out of thin air, ownership rights based on boundary of the property. To claim ownership in the Island file that claim in the form of a deed. Intangible property law created, out of thin air, ownership rights in useful ways to do something. To claim ownership in the method used to build the Island, file a patent. So on with the story, So to claim ownership in the Island (Mr. Island built) Dr. Patent filed a deed, and had a judge order Mr. Island off the Island, because the island is now owned by Dr. Patent This is so, Dr. Patent told the judge, because I have the only deed ever filed to claim ownership in the land. Mr. island has no deed. The judge had no choice but to evict Mr. Island. Dr. Patent told Mr. Island, if you will file a claim of ownership (that is, a patent) in the method used (invented) to build your Island, I will pay you enough for it, so you can live comfortably ever after (say $1 million USD)-. Mr. Island was broke having been kicked off his own Island so he signed the patent claim Dr. Patent wrote up for him, with the Patent office. The patent office issued to Mr. Island a patent, which Mr Island then sold to Dr. Patent for $1 Million USD). So Mr. Island went to another place in the Atlantic and used the method Mr. island invented to build another Island.. and filed a deed claiming he owned it. As soon as Mr. Island moved onto his new Island, Dr. Patent filed a patent lawsuit, claiming Mr. Island, infringed ¨the method to build Islands¨ patent owned by Dr. Patent. The patent court awarded Dr. Patent $1 million USD for patent infringement and ordered Mr. Island to pay Dr. Patent $1 million USD before the day was out. From thin air the congress obliged Dr. Patent, and converted public lands into private ownership by writing the tangible property law (DEEDs) and again from thin air congress created a way to for investors and others to own the products of the human mind of inventors (methods of doing things) intangible property law. Dr. Patent licensed the right to use the patent he obtained from Mr. Island for $500,000; thus far 50 islands have been built using Mr. Islands method owned by Dr. Patent. $500,000 * 50 = $25,000,000 profit earned by Dr. Patent. In short, Congress made it possible for Dr. Patent to steal both Mr. Island´s Island and his invention of a method to build such an island. The story explains why the top 1% own as much as the entire 99% other percent own. Patents and deeds transfer ownership from the public to the private domain, and ownership transfers wealth from non owners. IANAL -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 4/18/17, toki <toki.kant...@gmail.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] i have questions about licensing in libreoffice. To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Tuesday, April 18, 2017, 8:44 PM On 04/17/2017 09:01 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote: > i heard sometimes that openoffice license is license of oracle company. Oracle purchased Sun. That purchase included the trademarks, copyrights, and other intellectual property rights held by OpenOffice.org. After a couple of years, Oracle donated OpenOffice.org, including trademarks, copyright, and other intellectual property rights to The Apache Software Foundation. Which means that Oracles does owns neither Apache Open Office nor OpenOffice.org. However, Oracle does own Java, which is used by both LibreOffice and Apache Open Office. Given a couple of somewhat bizarre legal theories, supported by, what shall be termed "interesting' court decisions, an extremely shaky legal theory can be made that Oracle owns both LibreOffice, and Apache Open Office. As much as I'd like to think that Oracle has persuaded itself that ownership of FLOSS is not possible, I wouldn't put it past them to be willing to squander away a trillion or so dollars, in lawsuits to assert ownership of LibreOffice, Apache OpenOffice, and other FLOSS software that it finds either inconvenience, or a potential cash cow. > is it true? There is an apocryphal story of a first legal intern being told examine a software license. In researching the license, he asked: "Is there any way, shape, or form, in which Oracle can assert control of the software?" Upon being told that Oracle was purchasing the company that made the software whose license was being analysed, the intern said; "I can not recommend accepting this license, because it will depend upon Oracle. As an Oracle license, all terms and conditions are subject to their specific interpretation, which usually comes down to: "All your bases, they belong to us". Said intern was dully blacklisted by the company. A decade later, one of the members of the board of directors found himself across the dinner table from said intern. The member told the intern that his prediction about what Oracle would do, turned out to be valid, with disastrous consequences to the company. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted