On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Marcel Keller <mkel...@cs.au.dk> wrote: > Claudio Orlandi wrote: >> >> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 5:46 AM, Marcel Keller <mkel...@cs.au.dk> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Claudio and Jesper, >>> >>> In the code review of the OrlandiRuntime we found two points, we want to >>> discuss with you. >>> >>> Step 3 of the triple generation protocol says: Coin-flip a subset >>> \fancy_T >>> \subset \fancy_M of size \lambda(2d + 1)M. The current implementation >>> loops >>> over the elements in \fancy_M and decides fifty-fifty for every element >>> whether it should by in \fancy_T until there are enough elements in >>> \fancy_T. I however think that this choice should be biased according to >>> the >>> size of \fancy_M and \fancy_T, i.e. every element of \fancy_M should be >>> put >>> in \fancy_T with probability \lambda(2d + 1)M / (1 + \lambda)(2d + 1)M = >>> \lambda / (1 + \lambda). Furthermore, I think the probability should be >>> updated whenever \fancy_M is processed completely and \fancy_T still is >>> not >>> big enough. Maybe it would be easier to choose \lambda(2d + 1)M times a >>> random element of the remaining ones in \fancy_M instead. >> >> So you could loop the elements of M and include them in T with >> probability \lambda/(1+\lambda), but then you're not guaranteed that >> you have enough triplets left in M. > > Exactly, that's why I suggested the solution which in that case would > restart with an adapted probability. > >> Choosing the right number of >> >> random elements from M and include them in T is the right choice (or >> any solution that guarantees the size of M \ T to be 2(2d+1)M --- I >> don't know if the typo is in your email or in Step 3, but the size of >> the set M should be (1+\lambda)2(2d+1)M --- you miss a 2. > > I think the 2 is missing in your report and the code. >

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Wow. Then it really shouldn't work! The factors are: 1+lambda : because in the test we check a fraction lambda/1+lambda of the triplets 2 : because there is a test to check the correctness of the triplets that burns one triplet to ensure the other one is good 2d+1: because we do the shamir secret sharing multiplication I guess at some point I should also give a look at the code... >>> In step 6, the implementation generates a distributed random number in >>> Z_p >>> to determine a partition where one element should be put if there is >>> still >>> space there. I suggest to use the randomness more efficiently to save >>> communication. E.g., if a random number in Z_p is smaller than M^l with l >>> \le log_M(p), one can extract l random numbers in Z_M. The same method >>> probably could be used in step 3 as well. >> >> Right. Actually if you want to save communication here you can also >> use a PRG using the distributed random number as the seed. >> >>> Best regards, >>> Marcel >>> >> >> If you have time, there are a lot of things that need to be done here. >> I already told Janus knows some of them, but said he can't work on >> them. Here is something nice we should do to reduce the online time of >> a factor (at least) 3: >> >> In the protocol there are Pedersen commitemnts with three base element >> g,h_1,h_2. To commit to x using randomness r_1,r_2 one computes >> g^xh_1^r_1h_2^r_2. The protocol now does it in the following way: >> 1) compute a=g^x >> 2) compute b=h_1^r_1 >> 3) compute c=h_2^r_2 >> 4) compute d=a*b*c >> >> The complexity is dominated by the three exponentiation, that one >> implements using some ladder (square and multiply) >> >> There is no need to do three exponentiation if one does something a bit >> smarter: >> - precompute >> g001=g^0h_1^0h_2^1 >> g010=g^0h_1^1h_2^0 >> ... >> g010=g^1h_1^1h_2^1 >> >> Now, to compute g^xh_1^r_1h_2^r_2 one does the ladder by looking >> comtemporarily at the i-th bit of x, r_1, r_2. The complexity of this >> is just one ladder, so virtually the same as just one of the above >> exponentiation. >> >> One can go further and precompute more elements, for instance >> g000 >> ... >> g333 >> And now you look at 2 bits of x,r_1,r_2 for every square in the >> square-and-multiply. This saves another factor 2 in time but you need >> to store a bigger table of size 8^2. >> >> What is the best strategy given our architecture? How many powers >> should we precompute? > > The commitments are computed by an external elliptic curve library, so I > can't answer anything here. Janus should know more about it. > Actually i think that the elliptic curve library offers method for square, multiply, and a multiplication, not for the commitments as an object... I seem to remember that Janus implemented them. > Regards, > Marcel > > _______________________________________________ viff-devel mailing list (http://viff.dk/) viff-devel@viff.dk http://lists.viff.dk/listinfo.cgi/viff-devel-viff.dk