PHILIP WINESTONE
Fri, 06 Jun 2008 19:40:00 -0700
Hi Ed, Glad to hear you got the book. I enjoyed it immensely. Difficult to explain what I meant by "the dream," especially in an email forum of any sort. It may become a little clearer once you read what Rose had to say. Philip. ----- Original Message ---- From: Edmund Storms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, June 6, 2008 1:30:40 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Science of Intention PHILIP WINESTONE wrote: > Ed, > > Yes - I know something of Sai Baba, the latest in a lineage of Sai > Babas. I also know a disciple who spent 25 years at his ashrama. > > But Sai Baba is also part of the dream... Which dream is that? Or do you mean that we can only dream that the message will come true? > > I'm not fixated on Richard Rose, nor anyone for that matter; been there, > done all that. This thread runs a long way... May I suggest that you > read just the first chapter of "After the Absolute" by Dave Gold. > Ordinariness has its attractiveness... You can read the chapter (in > fact the entire book) on-line. Thanks, I ordered the book. Ed > > P. > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Edmund Storms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2008 9:23:11 PM > Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Science of Intention > > Thanks for pointing this out, Philip. I have not read of Richard Rose, > but I know of many other people who have acquired extraordinary insight. > In addition, some people have also been able to master some of the > abilities Sai Baba exhibits. As with all things, these talents occur > throughout the population to varying degree. However, only Sai Baba has > these abilities in complete form and totally at his control. Besides, he > is using the abilities to focus attention on a message worth hearing. > This is not always the case. Sai Baba says that additional men having > the same abilities are alive now in various countries and presently at > different ages who will carry the message into the future. Keep your > eyes open. > > Ed > > > > PHILIP WINESTONE wrote: > > > Ed, > > > > I wonder if you've ever heard of a man they called the "Backwoods > > Buddha"... Look him up on the 'Net if you're interested... > > > > P. > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Edmund Storms <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> > > Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2008 7:30:26 PM > > Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Science of Intention > > > > > > > > Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > OrionWorks wrote: > > > > > >> Thanks for bringing Sai Baba back to my attention, Ed. How foolish of > > >> me to have temporarily forgotten him. > > >> > > >> Isn't it interesting that someone with his unique perception on > > >> reality, combined with his ability to manipulate reality (seemingly > > >> the fundamental laws of physics) as Sai does remains, for the most > > >> part, an undiscovered resource of the potentiality of humanity. > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry, but I have to ask this... If he can work miracles, and if > > > he's here to "fix up the mess" in any way shape or form, what's he > > > actually doing to fix things up? > > > > Sai Baba is presently helping remake India by supporting schools he > > founded that teach his philosophy along with modern technology. As he > > says, a person can not remake the world without first remaking his own > > country. Obviously, the spirit world believe this is easier to do in > > India than elsewhere. I agree. The spirit world attempted to do this in > > the middle East 2000 years ago, but now look at the mess. > > > > > > Turn it around: Sai Baba is a miracle worker and yet his impact has > > > apparently been so slight that people outside of India are nearly > > > unaware of him. Why is that? > > > > A person only knows what they seek to learn. The information about Sai > > Baba is easily available, but not in the American press. But then, > > what's new about tat? > > > > > > The world abounds with problems which cry out for the touch of a > miracle > > > worker, from lack of clean water for humans to lack of usable habitat > > > for polar bears. Surely someone gifted with physical powers which > allow > > > him to manipulate reality at a fundamental level should be doing more > > > with this capability than just using it as a sort of publicity > stunt to > > > get folks to come and listen to his sermons? > > > > One man, no matter how talented, can not do it alone. His role is to > > teach other people how to solve the problems. After all, it was mankind > > who created the problems in the first place. We need to learn how to > > stop doing this. > > > > > > Philosophers ultimately wield great influence over events, it is true. > > > But whatever power sent Sai Baba here must have intended him to be > more > > > than a philosopher, else why grant him such astonishing *physical* > > > abilities? > > > > His message will eventually start another religion, as have the messages > > of the other messengers. However, this takes time. Gradually, this > > religion will be corrupted, as has happened every time repair was > > attempted, and the process will be repeated. Gradually, mankind will > > learn to avoid religion, as some of us have already mastered. > > > > > > So, what is he doing with his powers, aside from healing a relative > > > handful of individuals? (In a world of 7 billion, hands-on healing of > > > individuals can never reach more than a relative handful, of course. > > > Another bit of perspective: Bill Gates, with his charitable work > which > > > includes large scale vaccination programs, has surely already reached > > > more people and prevented more disease than any single hands-on healer > > > could cure in a lifetime. Yet Gates is no miracle worker; surely > someone > > > who can bend reality to his will should be able to do better than > Gates.) > > > > The individual is not as important as the whole of mankind. Mankind can > > only advance as fast as a certain level of understanding develops. This > > is a gradual process. Meanwhile individuals come and go, with each > > adding, or sometimes subtracting from this understanding. > > > > > > Money could not be a problem for a miracle worker, of course -- it > takes > > > only the slightest ability to affect the laws of chance, or the > teeniest > > > ability to predict the future, to allow one to amass as much wealth as > > > you could possibly need. And it could be done subtly, as well; > all the > > > world over there are stock markets which shower riches on those with > > > true prescience (or good judgment), and the phenomenon of getting rich > > > playing the market is common enough that it would not raise cries of > > > "Demon!" if someone with true second sight were to use it that way. > > > > You are thinking too small. If this talent were used, it would > > destabilize the markets and cause all kinds of unwanted attention. Sai > > Baba gets his money from gifts, which is easier do do than playing the > > markets. > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > >> > > >> By your account there are at least 150 books that have been > written on > > >> Baba. And yet Baba remains primarily an unknown individual, > > >> particularly within our objectively oriented western culture. It > would > > >> seem that collectively speaking we have made a tact pact to > ignore the > > >> significance of what Sai teaches us, perhaps because the majority of > > >> us would for the moment prefer to remain transfixed within the > > >> manufactured belief that reality manipulates us rather than the other > > >> way around. > > >> > > >> If history is any indication it would not surprise me if the accounts > > >> of Sai Baba will be more widely known and better respected by the > > >> inhabitants of this planet a thousand years from now. > > >> > > >> Sooner or later, all children must grow up, some kicking and > screaming > > >> the whole way. > > >> > > >> Thanks for all the Ashes, Baba. > > >> > > >> Regards > > >> Steven Vincent Johnson > > >> www.OrionWorks.com > > >> www.zazzle.com/orionworks > > >> > > > > > > > > >