[Vo]:Re: Arata's results are really astounding

[Michel Jullian]

Aren't gammas a "hotfusionomorphic" view of fusion? The energy may be released 
in some other way in the particular environment.

Mills' hydrinos may not be needed either, after all all that's required is a 
_temporary_ lowering of the Coulomb barrier, as in Horace's deflation fusion 
hypothesis (kind of short lived hydrinos if I understand correctly), or as in 
DIESECF.

Michel

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From: "Jones Beene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Arata's results are really astounding


> --- Michel Jullian wrote:
> 
>> However it is probable that only a tiny part of the
>> absorbed D is consumed in the putative anomalous
>> reactions (in such experiments one retrieves roughly
>> the same amount of D2 at deloading than was put in
>> at loading doesn't one?), in which case nuclear type
>> energies of the order of MeVs per _reacting_ D are
>> more likely than Mills energies of the order of 100s
>> of eV per reacting D.
> 
> Where are the gammas then?
> 
> Two things worth mentioning, once again. Fortunately
> they do explain everything elegantly to those with a
> fully open mind. That does not make them correct and
> none of us would not be here if we did not already
> have open-minds. So the final answer may not be
> available yet.
> 
> Michel's "more likely" standard would indeed seem to
> be bolstered by the fact that helium is produced, and
> moreover, it is produced roughly commensurate with the
> excess energy. 
> 
> End of story? Perhaps with the Chubb crutch, but
> possibly not. The reaction is essentially gamma-less,
> and you cannot sweep that glaring inconsistency under
> the table. 
> 
> IOW even if you explain away one miracle convincingly,
> but only by means of a second even more substantial
> miracle- you should expect skepticism, and you will
> get plenty of it.
> 
> ERGO- at least it should be noted that there is an
> equally viable alternative explanation, with real
> evidence, which encompasses both Mills (err...
> Mills-lite) and LENR as a single modality. 
> 
> IOW it only depends on one-and-a-half linked miracles
> instead of two ;-)
> 
> This view suggests that the cross-section for fusion
> and the resultant QM probability is enhanced greatly
> (perhaps up to 7 orders of magnitude) by redundant
> ground-states, and the corresponding shrinkage. 
> 
> This is called "Mills-lite" instead of Millsean, since
> the redundant shrunken ground-state can be (and
> probably is: temporary, and not permanent). This is
> also in keeping with Mills experiments, where lots of
> UV is seen there, but where water-bath calorimetry can
> find only a COP of less than 2 when the ion energy
> suggests it should be 40-100.
> 
> This kind of shrinkage provides much or the excess
> energy over time, but in small doses of UV radiation -
> which elegantly answers the skeptics question of "why"
> there are no gammas --- (yet without having to result
> to Chubb's magic-phonon invention, for which there is
> zero evidence in the literature). 
> 
> In contrast there are at least 25 articles and
> hundreds of experiments in the literature of Balmer
> line broadening in situations which are similar to
> LENR, and a few of those experiments are arguably
> independent. That in contrast to *zero* actual real
> evidence for Chubb magic-phonons.
> 
> The rest of the excess energy in LENR would be
> provided by the actual fusion itself but it is fusion
> of the (now lower entropy level) reactants. Since most
> of the expected enthalpy of fusion has already been
> released over time, and dissipated by sequential
> shrinkage and reinflation, then there is no gamma -
> from the final activity which ends the sequence.
> 
> The actual final fusion, in QM terms (in this
> hypothesis) is as more the "result" of energy having
> been depleted (past a local threshold) as it is a
> "cause" of the original excess heat.
> 
> I understand that this is an extreme minority
> viewpoint but keep bringing it up as sooner or later,
> it should possess enough explanatory logic to grab a
> foothold, even in the face of whatever professional
> jealousies may have been involved historically with
> Randell Mills (especially since he only got things
> half-right)
> 
> Jones
> 
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